GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #10

[Jade127402]

I agree, I just simply do not believe that Abby ran away. I'm not feeling it..... I truly feel that somehow and someway she was abducted and is still being held against her will...... We don't know if there has been another letter or any other form of communication, but my feeling is that there hasn't been... I'm still hoping for her safe return!!

I feel that she was meeting someone that day and that is why she chose to walk home in my opinion and do not feel that she was running away. I feel she probably did not feel threatened at all and agreed to meet whoever it was but then things were not as she expected in my opinion. But the question is who is this person? I still believe that one of her friends might know something and have not come forward. I don't feel that this person she met was a stranger either, I think it might have been someone she met on a social network or that snapchat thing everyone was talking about. Then I have other theories as well as such that it might be someone that works at the school or some person older person that lives right in the community that might have been watching her. It is a damn shame that they have no leads and that she is still missing. I pray she is safe wherever she is but the more time goes by the harder it is to feel that she is safe. None of it makes any sense. On a more positive note, my sister is now breathing on her own and no longer on a ventilator so the power of prayer really does work. I just hope all the prayers will lead to finding Abby safe and she will return home.

 

[Steleheart]

I think Thirteen's contribution was an interesting one and while not necessarily representative of Abby's situation it raises a point that hasn't been mentioned very often in this thread.
In the interest of exploring all angles I'm going to risk the onslaught of disagreement and say that on paper, for me anyways, Abby's personal life/home situation may have been very precarious.
It was her first year in high school, fair amount of moving around, sister away at school, new step-dad, her dad in another state...other things, but I believe all of these can be verified by MSM.

Yes. In my younger days that would have been called a 'broken home'.

In this day and age it's kind of considered main stream. I would defer to posters here on WS who are, in fact, in divorce, who shuffle their kids between custodial and non, who split their time between work and family and then on top of it all try to date and find love in their difficult lives? I don't see anything alarming in this family.

Thirteen, I do, I SO do find your compassion for children who fall through the cracks compelling and heartening. I am following Avonte Aquendo *autistic* who had an episode and was allowed to walk away unattended. His biggest fears were dogs and water. He may have been chased by a dog and drowned in the East River.

I am also following Jeremiah Oliver. No one noticed he was missing. Much like, and oh, so reminiscent of Caylee Anthony. I just know this case will drag on given the controversy surrounding the social services failings.
So you do have a point. But that point doesn't apply here in this particular case.
Don't let anyone defer you from your goal to make sure that EVERY Child has a voice and that No Child is left on their own. Ever.

 

[Ashley426]

I feel that she was meeting someone that day and that is why she chose to walk home in my opinion and do not feel that she was running away. I feel she probably did not feel threatened at all and agreed to meet whoever it was but then things were not as she expected in my opinion. But the question is who is this person? I still believe that one of her friends might know something and have not come forward. I don't feel that this person she met was a stranger either, I think it might have been someone she met on a social network or that snapchat thing everyone was talking about. Then I have other theories as well as such that it might be someone that works at the school or some person older person that lives right in the community that might have been watching her. It is a damn shame that they have no leads and that she is still missing. I pray she is safe wherever she is but the more time goes by the harder it is to feel that she is safe. None of it makes any sense. On a more positive note, my sister is now breathing on her own and no longer on a ventilator so the power of prayer really does work. I just hope all the prayers will lead to finding Abby safe and she will return home.

I've thought the same thing a few times about her meeting someone. If that were the case though, there would have to be some kind of communication between Abby and whoever she planned to meet. They've definitely checked her phone and computer records, and I really doubt she had a burner phone. It's possible, but not likely IMO. I lean towards the random abduction but that doesn't make a lot of sense either. Hell, this case doesn't make sense at all. I just hope Abby comes home soon :scared:


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[Jade127402]

I've thought the same thing a few times about her meeting someone. If that were the case though, there would have to be some kind of communication between Abby and whoever she planned to meet. They've definitely checked her phone and computer records, and I really doubt she had a burner phone. It's possible, but not likely IMO. I lean towards the random abduction but that doesn't make a lot of sense either. Hell, this case doesn't make sense at all. I just hope Abby comes home soon :scared:


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That could be very true but in my own mind I keep wondering why she walked home alone that day, I guess that is the determining factor for me leading me to think that she was meeting someone. The person she was meeting might have had a burner phone in my opinion making it difficult to find that person. That person could have used a fake profile, fake everything because this stuff happens everyday. I recently saw a special on this on the Dr. Phil show and it was pretty scary. Then I go back to my other theory is it an older adult right near her area that has been watching her and possibly someone connected to the school? I just don't know and it would be nice to actually know where she was taken, was it on the path on her way home? Was it at Walmart? There have been several statements about that being a possibility? Also if she was over in the parking lot wouldn't they have cameras that might have seen her there? This information has never been confirmed. We don't think she made it home but there have been statements here and there that she did? They should have a press conference and tell everything that they know without giving too much information but it seems to me to be too quiet.

 

[Steleheart]

I've thought the same thing a few times about her meeting someone. If that were the case though, there would have to be some kind of communication between Abby and whoever she planned to meet. They've definitely checked her phone and computer records, and I really doubt she had a burner phone. It's possible, but not likely IMO. I lean towards the random abduction but that doesn't make a lot of sense either. Hell, this case doesn't make sense at all. I just hope Abby comes home soon :scared:


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~ Sometimes I look at my doubts and I wonder why. Often it's something I don't want to see.

That could be very true but in my own mind I keep wondering why she walked home alone that day, I guess that is the determining factor for me leading me to think that she was meeting someone. The person she was meeting might have had a burner phone in my opinion making it difficult to find that person. That person could have used a fake profile, fake everything because this stuff happens everyday. I recently saw a special on this on the Dr. Phil show and it was pretty scary. Then I go back to my other theory is it an older adult right near her area that has been watching her and possibly someone connected to the school? I just don't know and it would be nice to actually know where she was taken, was it on the path on her way home? Was it at Walmart? There have been several statements about that being a possibility? Also if she was over in the parking lot wouldn't they have cameras that might have seen her there? This information has never been confirmed. We don't think she made it home but there have been statements here and there that she did? They should have a press conference and tell everything that they know without giving too much information but it seems to me to be too quiet.

~ It is so possible. Check the case of Nichole Cable. It seems that even after she knew he was phony she still went to meet him. :banghead:
~ mmmHmmm. Maybe someone she was close to thought he had a chance with her?
~ Her previous after-school travel pattern confirmed via interviews and security camera videos. Does anyone besides me want to see those videos???
http://www.bringabbyhome.com/abbys-timeline/
~ Vewy vewy quiet - Shhhh,,,

 

[Steleheart]

On the day that Abby went missing FBI got a tower dump from both of the cell towers in that area. (I am assuming)(plus they knew where her phone last pingged) One at Redstone and one at Cranmore.
http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=north conway&state_abr=nh

Do not doubt that they also got a tower dump from wherever the 'letter' was mailed. What bin it was in when it was postmarked determines what box it was deposited in, the pick up time and etc. That gives LE a time frame to look at. This information is very specific and a result of the anthrax letters from a few years ago. Every peice is photographed and time stamped. That time frame gives LE a window to look at for cell tower pings and with basic software they can match any pings common to both areas.

People asking why we do not know where it was postmarked - if it wasn't in your town, would you stop looking?

 

[MamaJoJo]

On the day that Abby went missing FBI got a tower dump from both of the cell towers in that area. (I am assuming)(plus they knew where her phone last pingged) One at Redstone and one at Cranmore.
http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=north conway&state_abr=nh

Do not doubt that they also got a tower dump from wherever the 'letter' was mailed. What bin it was in when it was postmarked determines what box it was deposited in, the pick up time and etc. That gives LE a time frame to look at. This information is very specific and a result of the anthrax letters from a few years ago. Every peice is photographed and time stamped. That time frame gives LE a window to look at for cell tower pings and with basic software they can match any pings common to both areas.

People asking why we do not know where it was postmarked - if it wasn't in your town, would you stop looking?

So, wait, let me paraphrase (for my own understanding)...

You are saying that, if Abby was abducted, possibly the perp's phone pinged on October 9th near the time and location of where she disappeared from. And, that LE most likely would have information of all pings in the area at that afternoon. Furthermore, given current USPS technologies, most likely LE was able to determine where the letter was mailed from on October 23rd and, more importantly, what time. And, once the location and time were determined, LE would have pulled all of the pings from that area during that time frame. Match the two dumps up, and, voila!, a common number is found.

Did I get the gist of it, Stele?

If all of that took place, then it sure is upsetting that nothing substantial turned up out of it.

 

[LookingHoping]

I'm not Stele, but yes MJJ! Unfortunately.....i don't think there were any matches. If there were, I'd think they could have traced and found the perp or a good trail to follow by now at the very least.

I'm really beginning to feel somebody was watching her, knew of her or they already knew who one another were. That or she did have a planned meet up, but leaving no internet trail seems ALMOST impossible. Planned meet up, NOT running away, just hanging out. Still thinking even that is not the case. I think she hopped in a car with somebody familiar or who she thought was safe, eg she knew the person.


Of course, it could have been both. Both a person she knew and a local that zoomed in on her.....knew her habits, knew where she lives, mother's work hours, Abby's route, etc. And also found her online...though again, would need some serious knowledge to avoid any internet trail.

 

[Steleheart]

So, wait, let me paraphrase (for my own understanding)...

You are saying that, if Abby was abducted, possibly the perp's phone pinged on October 9th near the time and location of where she disappeared from. And, that LE most likely would have information of all pings in the area at that afternoon. Furthermore, given current USPS technologies, most likely LE was able to determine where the letter was mailed from on October 23rd and, more importantly, what time. And, once the location and time were determined, LE would have pulled all of the pings from that area during that time frame. Match the two dumps up, and, voila!, a common number is found.

Did I get the gist of it, Stele?

If all of that took place, then it sure is upsetting that nothing substantial turned up out of it.

Yes.

I was trying to reply but the comp deleted all my comments :banghead:

 

[Steleheart]

So, wait, let me paraphrase (for my own understanding)...

You are saying that, if Abby was abducted, possibly the perp's phone pinged on October 9th near the time and location of where she disappeared from. And, that LE most likely would have information of all pings in the area at that afternoon. Furthermore, given current USPS technologies, most likely LE was able to determine where the letter was mailed from on October 23rd and, more importantly, what time. And, once the location and time were determined, LE would have pulled all of the pings from that area during that time frame. Match the two dumps up, and, voila!, a common number is found.

Did I get the gist of it, Stele?

If all of that took place, then it sure is upsetting that nothing substantial turned up out of it.

NOW you know how Jane and Kieran feel! (wegotnuttin)
:banghead:

 

[LookingHoping]

Steleheart, I'm a little bit concerned about your head… take it easy on yourself there!LOL

 

[Steleheart]

So, wait, let me paraphrase (for my own understanding)...

You are saying that, if Abby was abducted, possibly the perp's phone pinged on October 9th near the time and location of where she disappeared from. And, that LE most likely would have information of all pings in the area at that afternoon. Furthermore, given current USPS technologies, most likely LE was able to determine where the letter was mailed from on October 23rd and, more importantly, what time. And, once the location and time were determined, LE would have pulled all of the pings from that area during that time frame. Match the two dumps up, and, voila!, a common number is found.

Did I get the gist of it, Stele?

If all of that took place, then it sure is upsetting that nothing substantial turned up out of it.

That was actually the case in Jessica Ridgeway's disappearance Though we weren't aware of it until after the trial and the court orders and affidavits were released.
http://www.courts.state.co.us/userf...dicial_District/Jefferson/12CR2899/12-946.pdf

I wonder, if it was planned, if this perp, knowing what he knows and how detailed his plan must have been, even thought to shut his phone off. I am sorry to say this out loud but if you didn't then there is a whole lot of other stuff you may have missed too. +
Him ---> :scared:

 

[LookingHoping]

How do you avoid any online trace? From what I understand even using free wireless is traceable, if you know where to look? How does this work? Because I feel if you connect to say a local restaurant's wireless they can find your isp off it can't they AND the other person would need to be connecting through free wireless, too and not off their data plan in order to not be traced. So they'd have to check ALL of it and match up times and ISP's? Right or Wrong? ????????

 

[Steleheart]

How do you avoid any online trace? From what I understand even using free wireless is traceable, if you know where to look? How does this work? Because I feel if you connect to say a local restaurant's wireless they can find your isp off it can't they AND the other person would need to be connecting through free wireless, too and not off their data plan in order to not be traced. So they'd have to check ALL of it and match up times and ISP's? Right or Wrong? ????????

~ Traceable to who? If you re-up with a credit card then yes.
~ I dunno, we should ask the EBT/Illegal/Mexicans/Dominican pop. - (notpickingonanyone)
~ if it was just the school comp they only have the isp as the school. Not who was at the keyboard. Or a library, etc for the perp. jmo.

PLUS - she didn't do this. Someone else did. Someone who knows what you and I are discussing. Someone who understands what kind of evidence will be looked at. Someone who has been through this before? Or else it's just not that complicated. It was simple. It was local. It was momentary, It was quick.
:tantrum:

 

[LookingHoping]

That's what I'm saying… somebody who knows this stuff. THey'd need to know it well, inside and out and know the town, hot spots, walking paths, timing, cameras, etc.

Not so much re-up as in getting more minutes (if that is what you mean?)… but if using a phone or tablet for internet over free local wireless? Can they trace it to your device? I think they can, correct? They'd just need to know which signal to look at and there are MANY these days. Hotels to me don't count as much as they all require logins (or any I've been to do)

and again, totally agree. Abby didn't do this, somebody else did.

And if not somebody smart and knowing in all 'this' than somebody who got very very luck or knows her very well and was able to just drive by and say, "Hey, Abby, want a ride?"

 

[Steleheart]

Steleheart, I'm a little bit concerned about your head… take it easy on yourself there!LOL

LOL I didn't whack my head ahaha. All the other stuff is just fine! :loveyou:
kay:

 

[LookingHoping]

I saw a lot of :banghead: goin on thereHAHAHHA

 

[Steleheart]

I agree, I just simply do not believe that Abby ran away. I'm not feeling it..... I truly feel that somehow and someway she was abducted and is still being held against her will...... We don't know if there has been another letter or any other form of communication, but my feeling is that there hasn't been... I'm still hoping for her safe return!!

Yes. Everything you said. We have missed you.
:loveyou:

 

[Steleheart]

I saw a lot of :banghead: goin on thereHAHAHHA

LOL I know - I am sure it's not just me, though.
It's THIS CASE!
(orelseIamacaselol)

 

[LookingHoping]

Not just you.