GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #10

[Steleheart]

That's what I'm saying… somebody who knows this stuff. THey'd need to know it well, inside and out and know the town, hot spots, walking paths, timing, cameras, etc.

Not so much re-up as in getting more minutes (if that is what you mean?)… but if using a phone or tablet for internet over free local wireless? Can they trace it to your device? I think they can, correct? They'd just need to know which signal to look at and there are MANY these days. Hotels to me don't count as much as they all require logins (or any I've been to do)

and again, totally agree. Abby didn't do this, somebody else did.

And if not somebody smart and knowing in all 'this' than somebody who got very very luck or knows her very well and was able to just drive by and say, "Hey, Abby, want a ride?"

~ So,,, local, hmmm..
~ he could do that with cash for both phones.
~ even tapping into a free wi-fi the device makes a trail IF they have that device - You need the phone or tablet -
thus the intense search for the phone. Cell companies don't keep data like texts for very long so that alone would have prompted the all-out call for more LE.

https://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-loc...ponse-cell-phone-company-data-retention-chart

 

[Steleheart]

I feel that she was meeting someone that day and that is why she chose to walk home in my opinion and do not feel that she was running away. I feel she probably did not feel threatened at all and agreed to meet whoever it was but then things were not as she expected in my opinion. But the question is who is this person? I still believe that one of her friends might know something and have not come forward. I don't feel that this person she met was a stranger either, I think it might have been someone she met on a social network or that snapchat thing everyone was talking about. Then I have other theories as well as such that it might be someone that works at the school or some person older person that lives right in the community that might have been watching her. It is a damn shame that they have no leads and that she is still missing. I pray she is safe wherever she is but the more time goes by the harder it is to feel that she is safe. None of it makes any sense. On a more positive note, my sister is now breathing on her own and no longer on a ventilator so the power of prayer really does work. I just hope all the prayers will lead to finding Abby safe and she will return home.

JADE.
The Best news we could have had.
Yes. It DOES work :loveyou:lease:

 

[LookingHoping]

~ So,,, local, hmmm..
~ he could do that with cash for both phones.
~ even tapping into a free wi-fi the device makes a trail IF they have that device - You need the phone or tablet -
thus the intense search for the phone. Cell companies don't keep data like texts for very long so that alone would have prompted the all-out call for more LE.

https://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-loc...ponse-cell-phone-company-data-retention-chart

That's what I was thinking, but had no proof for my thoughtsLOL So not tossing cell would be extremely important. That phone needed to be in perp's hands or ruined for good. Clearly, with no activity at all from a 14 now 15 yr old girl -- she's not just holding onto her cell and never looking at it (cause if she turns it on, it will ping).

Even with cash for both phones, she'd have needed to have really close contact and in person conversations with this perp to obtain a phone. I do not think that is the case. I think if this was a meet up of some perp who found her online, her phone was used and probably through an apple app for iPhone so it wasn't used at home on a laptop or desktop or maybe he told her right off, phone only. there are tons of texting apps beyond iMessage even (never mind the obvious social media or snap chat type sites). Heck my kids had text on their iPods via an app, NOT iMessage. They actually had a random phone number but had to have wireless to do so as did the recipient.

Anyway…. with LE coming in full force, they should have the data, but not the piece they need to look for in the data.

So they could match something to that old data if say they found a POI and had their phone, laptop, etc.?

 

[LookingHoping]

( I MUST SOUND SO DENSE! hahaha sorry, just trying to get a full understanding of this once and for all. I've had a lot of assumptions and guesses, hard to weed through all the crap online and know if you've come out with a real answer. Course, this is assuming others know what the heck they're talkin'bout LOL)

 

[aust amateur slueth]

we've all considered the computer, social media and cell possibilities, what if its more simple than that? someone who knew and saw Abby regularly and arranged in person with her to meet up that afternoon.

 

[cluciano63]

If she left with someone local, they would be missing too, no?

 

[MamaJoJo]

If she left with someone local, they would be missing too, no?

That's always been my hang up, Clu. If she left with someone local, and she was alive and well somewhere, that person would be missing, too. Or, I would expect their pattern of behavior, in trying to keep Abby hidden, would have raised some red flags with the people he/she is closest with.

There are many scenarios (none of them good) that I can come up with where someone local is involved yet they are not currently missing.

 

[Steleheart]

That's what I'm saying… somebody who knows this stuff. THey'd need to know it well, inside and out and know the town, hot spots, walking paths, timing, cameras, etc.

Not so much re-up as in getting more minutes (if that is what you mean?)… but if using a phone or tablet for internet over free local wireless? Can they trace it to your device? I think they can, correct? They'd just need to know which signal to look at and there are MANY these days. Hotels to me don't count as much as they all require logins (or any I've been to do)

and again, totally agree. Abby didn't do this, somebody else did.

And if not somebody smart and knowing in all 'this' than somebody who got very very luck or knows her very well and was able to just drive by and say, "Hey, Abby, want a ride?"

I don't know. Can they track things like skype on a smart phone? Another thing I don't know, lol. I know that my youngest (20) talks to a friend while playing video games - I have no idea how. When they were younger I was all over technology and keeping up, keeping watch, etc. but they grew up when I wasn't looking haha. Now I ask them how to do stuff. :blushing:

 

[Hap]

My kids use Snapchat a lot. They like it because the message disappears after the person sees it ~ Abby could have been using Snapchat to communicate with someone.

Also, you can delete PMs (private messages) on Facebook. Not sure how much of this technology stuff can be recovered by LE after the fact.... ?

Just my .02 on how she could have been talking with someone without leaving (an obvious) trail....

And LOL on Stele's head :floorlaugh:

 

[Steleheart]

That's always been my hang up, Clu. If she left with someone local, and she was alive and well somewhere, that person would be missing, too. Or, I would expect their pattern of behavior, in trying to keep Abby hidden, would have raised some red flags with the people he/she is closest with.

There are many scenarios (none of them good) that I can come up with where someone local is involved yet they are not currently missing.

If she is willingly with someone, especially an adult, there is no reason he or she can't carry on with their everyday life.
Even if she is being held against her will - Ariel Castro comes to mind.

Sadly I don't see either of these scenarios as realistic.

 

[MamaJoJo]

If she is willingly with someone, especially an adult, there is no reason he or she can't carry on with their everyday life.
Even if she is being held against her will - Ariel Castro comes to mind.

Sadly I don't see either of these scenarios as realistic.

It's not realistic at all, IMO. But...

What I was saying, inarticulately, is that if she left with someone local AND was with them now, let's say in Kansas, both that person (and Abby) would be missing from North Conway. Then, it follows, that person would be able to carry on with their everyday life in Kansas, as Abby lies low. As far as I know, there is no one other than Abby missing from North Conway.

And, I suppose, if Abby is being held against her will by a local resident LOCALLY, then they could get away with it (like AC did for so long) but most likely they'd change their pattern enough for someone to notice. IMO.

 

[Steleheart]

It's not realistic at all, IMO. But...

What I was saying, inarticulately, is that if she left with someone local AND was with them now, let's say in Kansas, both that person (and Abby) would be missing from North Conway. Then, it follows, that person would be able to carry on with their everyday life in Kansas, as Abby lies low. As far as I know, there is no one other than Abby missing from North Conway.

And, I suppose, if Abby is being held against her will by a local resident LOCALLY, then they could get away with it (like AC did for so long) but most likely they'd change their pattern enough for someone to notice. IMO.

Nothing you say is inarticulate, ever
You jogged my noggin right there - Something that Chief Wagner and JY said in the Presser about the letter;

Chief:
"In a manner that she reached out previously to them" @

"anybody that may have somebody new in their community that... moved into a home recently* that has a young lady living in their house just please reach out to us and give us that information."

Jane Young:
"we have been able to confirm that she has no source of income... "~

"she is not out there alone she has somebody who is either helping her whether that be a friend or what we fear is a foe"+

"if somebody has Abby we implore you to make that contact. If it's a good citizen, a good samaritan who has her and thinks that they are helping her I can asure you that you are not." ^

http://www.myfoxboston.com/video?clipId=9607183&topVideoCatNo=238258&autoStart=true

@ - This is what you open with? I know it was short notice but JY didn't even get a chance yet to say that there is a letter...
* - where did that come from Chief? You get the Monk in me all aflutter. I put up my hands and look around the room and start rearranging things on my desk. So is there some kind of intel (notel) that they relocated and go to Church, etc?
~ - Except if she had a new ID and was getting paid under the table.
+ - Bingo. Especially after all this time. She needed a whole new wardrobe. Who can live on the street in the same pair of underpants for 3 months? Even a shelter would know to call LE by now and make some kind of contact.
^ - You must have a reason for making that reference and it had to have come from the letter.

Don't get me wrong I am not bashing LE. I think the Chief is doing things his way as much as he can. I can see the frustration in each of them - for different reasons most likely. I just can't wrap my head around this good citizen theory. But a lot of time has passed since that 'letter' hasn't it.

 

[LookingHoping]

I've always had a nagging feeling she is right under their noses somewhere......and then I think maybe not....but then always land on her being close by.

 

[Steleheart]

My kids use Snapchat a lot. They like it because the message disappears after the person sees it ~ Abby could have been using Snapchat to communicate with someone.

Also, you can delete PMs (private messages) on Facebook. Not sure how much of this technology stuff can be recovered by LE after the fact.... ?

Just my .02 on how she could have been talking with someone without leaving (an obvious) trail....

And LOL on Stele's head :floorlaugh:

I'm tryin' to think but nuthin's happenin' nyuk nyuk nyuk

:floorlaugh:

I'm not sure if anything ever gets deleted per se. I would like some input from LE forensic type people? Someone?lease:

 

[LookingHoping]

Snapchat is not deleted off the servers, in fact, they often are not for a long time. Hence the danger as kids think it is gone for good (never mind the screenshot option for the recipient)

As for PMs, I know Facebook has the option to back up now, and PMs are a part of that. Sort of tells me those do not poof, either.

Snapchat is a dangerous place. As is Omegle. That's my PSA for the day for those with preteens and teens.

As for snapchat, they'd need a reason, subpoena probably to access....just my guess as I don't believe it would be on the user's computer.

 

[MamaJoJo]

:ufo:


Here's one possibility we haven't entertained.

C'mon, Abby, where in the world are you?

 

[LookingHoping]

Feels like that, Mamajj

 

[LookingHoping]

Some info on snapchat. http://adammclane.com/2013/08/22/why-you-should-delete-snapchat/

 

[Steleheart]

:ufo:


Here's one possibility we haven't entertained.

C'mon, Abby, where in the world are you?

That's the only thing that makes sense at this point.
My head hurts LOL.

 

[Steleheart]

Nothing ever gets deleted in the digital world. In fact the last time I was up north in the Conway area we were taking pictures with my daughter's old camera. Stupid here thinks he knows stuff and reformatted the memory card.:facepalm:

Anyway I downloaded "Pandora Recovery" and found not only the pictures my dear wife had taken but all the pictures my child had saved as well as those she deleted. (chuckle)

Ya, wait for it...:drumroll:
I wicked saved the day!

Not really lol :jail:

the point is that LE forensics can do amazing things with a device -
If they HAVE the device.