GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #10

[LookingHoping]

I think somewhere along the way somebody she thought was safe lured her into a car. (whether it was an old acquaintance of hers or somebody new she found online or somewhere --or found her I suppose). This person can't be good, a good person would not hide a child away from her family, certainly not without contact (other than that one letter months ago now). A good person would have come forward long ago, long long ago if not at the time or before if for some crazy reason she really is hiding out somewhere, not coming home and not letting her family know she's safe. I don't believe that for a second though. I WISH I COULD BELIEVE IT!

 

[MamaJoJo]

I believe that Abby would come home if she could.

 

[Hatfield]

What do you all think? Is she with someone she knows (good or bad), or someone not previously known to her. I hope and pray that she is alive and well.

There are many visitors that come to NH in the summer. If summer ever arrives, that is. Posters at the beach would be great.

Just guesses as I really am stumped with this case. If i had to take a guess I am going with a person she just met very recently and did not know but they seemed safe to her. Once they got her alone the situation changed dramatically and she was forced to go with him.

If not that, then I am going with someone she knew and trusted and he turned on her. He may have been planning it for a long time.

In both those cases, the letter gives me hope that she is still alive. I just hope she can escape on her own because I fear that LE is not going to find her.

 

[Spider92]

What do you all think? Is she with someone she knows (good or bad), or someone not previously known to her. I hope and pray that she is alive and well.

There are many visitors that come to NH in the summer. If summer ever arrives, that is. Posters at the beach would be great.

I think she is with somebody not known to her. The pictures of Abby are helpful but at this rate, I don't think she'll be recognized at the Rockingham Mall or local Dunkin Donuts. If she is still with us, and I pray she is, I'm afraid that she's house bound with somebody in poor emotional health. I think that when she is ultimately found, it will be because an alert citizen notices something strange about her abductor.....the cable guy makes a house call and hears some strange noises from the basement, the appliance repair man notices an odd smell, the utility meter guy sees something in the cellar, the abductor's CPA sees some odd and recurring feminine purchases on medical receipts, the alert neighbor sees that the middle aged bachelor is leaving unusual items in his trash, etc. etc.

 

[Jade127402]

What would be helpful if they could pinpoint where Abby was abducted. Was it on the route home or Walmart? I have seen several post that indicates this area was a place they searched initially. If they did search that area doesn't Walmart have cameras in their parking lot? I know that our local Walmart does and they were able to solve a murder from the footage they had in the parking lot. So if she had been at Walmart the cameras could have picked up something. The other thing is could she have met a worker at the carnival that was recently in town. Possibly someone older that she might have a agreed to meet not knowing they were bad? I would check into that as well. When I was younger I had some crazy girlfriends that took off with a couple of these guys and their parents called the police in and they returned home. Just trying to come up with some things that might have happened. According to their website this was the last carnival of the season for this group, they should check into who was working there and where they are all living this information could be obtained. The other thing I have thought about is it could be some local person that is bad and nobody has a clue about this person being sick. Those are my thoughts on this case. But whoever she went with I think it was planned but not planned to run away just to meet up with someone that she knew IMO because she walked home that day. This is where I think some of her friends could be of help. If they know anything then they need to tell but who is to say they haven't already told and this person cant be traced. I just pray she is still alive and that she will get away and get home safely. I feel so bad for her mom and family and I could not imagine this happening to my kids I would not be able to handle it. Her mom is a strong lady and she is to admired for all of her strength she has shown during this ordeal. I pray for her and Abby everyday.

 

[LookingHoping]

Unfortunately, they do not have details pinpointing the area she was abducted from… or are not telling us for some reason. www.bringabbyhome.com

TIMELINE UNTIL DISAPPEARANCE

This timeline is taken from the official FBI Timeline document

10/9/13 – Abigail Confirmed at School

2:29pm: Abigail seen leaving school wearing black leggings, black boots, dark colored striped sweater, walking through Field Hockey field, down Eagles Way to power line trail

2:30pm – 2:35pm: Abigail seen walking on powerline trail from Eagles Way

2:23pm – 2:53pm: A series of text messages exchanged between Abigail and a friend/classmate

2:53pm: Last text sent by Abigail to same friend

3:07pm: Last known contact between the cell phone and the cellular network was on West Side of Cranmore Mountain

2:40pm – 3:30pm: Multiple UNCONFIRMED reports of an individual matching Abigail’s description walking on North-South Highway between rotary and Settler’s Green entry"

I feel very confident they've looked at any and all security cameras nearby the route she took and likely even further out as well as checked into the Fryeburg Fair.

If only there was something, some solid piece of evidence, a clear sighting of her getting into a car or walking. I do believe the 'multiple unconfirmed reports" of her walking on N/S road were solid enough or they wouldn't have placed them on the timeline.

The other thing I have thought about is it could be some local person that is bad and nobody has a clue about this person being sick. Those are my thoughts on this case. But whoever she went with I think it was planned but not planned to run away just to meet up with someone that she knew IMO because she walked home that day. This is where I think some of her friends could be of help. If they know anything then they need to tell but who is to say they haven't already told and this person cant be traced. I just pray she is still alive and that she will get away and get home safely. I feel so bad for her mom and family and I could not imagine this happening to my kids I would not be able to handle it. Her mom is a strong lady and she is to admired for all of her strength she has shown during this ordeal. I pray for her and Abby everyday.

I think that too, about the local person possibility and not meeting to runaway. As for the local person or meeting somebody she thought was safe, I have also often pictured somebody she knew of stopping and saying, "Hey, Abby, hop in I'll give you a ride home!" In that manner, it would have been a very quick pull to the side of the road, no hesitation…. therefore less likely anybody would notice a car stopped. No matter which scenario, I hate thinking about it, how things must have gone downhill quickly after meeting if this is the case. BUT!!! I still have a great amount of hope that Abby is out there, alive.

I think Zenya has been amazing. I am sure she doesn't hold herself together in the silence of her home, but the way she does in public, not getting into the riffraff of the mean people online, staying out of the gossip, all that… she is handling this horrific situation while maintaining class and composure!

THIS, her mom's strength and focus, is what makes me believe Abby can make it out of whatever situation she is in and make it home to her mom. She has the will, the faith, the smarts in her….. it has to count for something big in a situation like this

 

[Nordicpete]

Unfortunately, they do not have details pinpointing the area she was abducted from… or are not telling us for some reason. www.bringabbyhome.com

TIMELINE UNTIL DISAPPEARANCE

This timeline is taken from the official FBI Timeline document

10/9/13 – Abigail Confirmed at School

2:29pm: Abigail seen leaving school wearing black leggings, black boots, dark colored striped sweater, walking through Field Hockey field, down Eagles Way to power line trail

2:30pm – 2:35pm: Abigail seen walking on powerline trail from Eagles Way

2:23pm – 2:53pm: A series of text messages exchanged between Abigail and a friend/classmate

2:53pm: Last text sent by Abigail to same friend

3:07pm: Last known contact between the cell phone and the cellular network was on West Side of Cranmore Mountain

2:40pm – 3:30pm: Multiple UNCONFIRMED reports of an individual matching Abigail’s description walking on North-South Highway between rotary and Settler’s Green entry"

I feel very confident they've looked at any and all security cameras nearby the route she took and likely even further out as well as checked into the Fryeburg Fair.

If only there was something, some solid piece of evidence, a clear sighting of her getting into a car or walking. I do believe the 'multiple unconfirmed reports" of her walking on N/S road were solid enough or they wouldn't have placed them on the timeline.





I think that too, about the local person possibility and not meeting to runaway. As for the local person or meeting somebody she thought was safe, I have also often pictured somebody she knew of stopping and saying, "Hey, Abby, hop in I'll give you a ride home!" In that manner, it would have been a very quick pull to the side of the road, no hesitation…. therefore less likely anybody would notice a car stopped. No matter which scenario, I hate thinking about it, how things must have gone downhill quickly after meeting if this is the case. BUT!!! I still have a great amount of hope that Abby is out there, alive.

I think Zenya has been amazing. I am sure she doesn't hold herself together in the silence of her home, but the way she does in public, not getting into the riffraff of the mean people online, staying out of the gossip, all that… she is handling this horrific situation while maintaining class and composure!

THIS, her mom's strength and focus, is what makes me believe Abby can make it out of whatever situation she is in and make it home to her mom. She has the will, the faith, the smarts in her….. it has to count for something big in a situation like this

Very well put! I absolutely agree.

 

[Max17]

2:40pm – 3:30pm: Multiple UNCONFIRMED reports of an individual matching Abigail’s description walking on North-South Highway between rotary and Settler’s Green entry"

I do believe the 'multiple unconfirmed reports" of her walking on N/S road were solid enough or they wouldn't have placed them on the timeline.

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Yes, even if it says UNCONFIRMED, I agree, it's highly likely.

This has bugged me for a while, so assuming this is actually true...
(Someone might have already taken this up in earlier threads, but here goes anyway.)

I attached a map where green is that area between rotary and Settler's Green entry. It would be only natural that she would walk there. Why? If you zoom in there on Google Maps, there's a pedestrian sidewalk between rotary and Settler's Green entry. Busy road, natural thing to be many 'multiple unconfirmed reports'

However, that sidewalk ends and turns into at the entry. Where then, if the path would be a straight(-ish) line home? Turn into Common Ct rather than continue besides a busy highway. Marked by solid yellow. It's entirely possible that security cameras don't reach all the way to Common Ct from Settler's Green.

After that, it's hard to know. I'm not familiar with that area. Zooming maximum with both Bing and Google reveals the possibility of small paths, marked with red/dotted red. If the red path is unpassable (fences, ditches etc...) then the dotted yellow lines show more paved routes.

Either way, and I don't know why, but that area between Barnes Rd (in smaller font) and home just stands out for some reason. And just enforces of a local person possibility. Ugh. :moo: :twocents:

 

[LookingHoping]

Nice map, Max17! There is one, a link listed on the 1st page of each of Abby's threads&#8230; this one is nice and clear for those of us who can't focus on more than one or two things at a time (no offense holly). Holly's map (the one I spoke of) is extremely detailed with times, homes, search areas, etc. Worth a look! I always hesitate with the maps, because there are so many different possibilities. e.g. she could have gone left up between the Lowe's/Cinema parking lot there and Settler's (big shiny roof I think is the cinema, Lowe's and a dept store also in there (???). There are so many options, which ways she could have gone, did she go through a parking lot, around a lot, hug a store front (if that I think she'd have been seen more).

 

[LookingHoping]

Here you go:

Hollye's key points map: Key points
Hollye's full map: Full map

 

[Jade127402]

Very well put! I absolutely agree.

I was wondering and excuse me if this sounds stupid. But what if someone local does have her, is it possible to use the dogs that they have used to search other areas to start searching residential areas? Could this be done? Just a thought.

 

[Jade127402]

I believe that Abby would come home if she could.

I believe that too. I do not believe for a minute she ran away, she either met someone willingly that she planned on meeting, or someone she might have known and that person asked if she wanted a ride or it was some random person she didn't know. But I do not believe for a minute she ran away and she would be home now if she could get there. Prayers that she will make it home safe soon.

 

[Radichio77885]

Since we are back to speculating, I keep thinking about the remoteness of the region. If she is being held by someone who essentially lives "off the grid" in some isolated cabin far from neighbors and major population centers, then conceivably she has no where to run. If you don't know where you are, it makes it pretty impossible (and foolish given the weather) to make a break for it. We already know that she has no coat and simply taking her shoes/boots would deter that option even more. Hopefully, locals are aware of folks who might fit this bill and are paying close attention whenever they might venture into town to shop for necessities/staple goods.

I think timelines can be helpful, but I keep jumping back to the two days leading up to Oct. 9th that we know absolutely nothing about. I find it hard to believe that no one has come forward with that information. But, maybe they have to LE and it just isn't public. Who knows?

As for the handbag/back pack issue raised previously... I know that some stores do not allow you to enter their stores with large packs or bags due to theft concerns. If that is the case, then LE just might have the back pack left in a locker or ditched nearby. Most women tend to simply remove a smaller wallet or purse and carry that alone, just to make it easier to shop. (This entire line of thinking about Walmart makes sense only if she made it that far, which of course, we don't know.) I raise it only because there are plenty of news articles about crime incidents (including abductions) happening in Walmart stores and parking lots all over the country. Criminals find these locations particularly ideal as they are large and generally frequented by females. Walmart themselves has recently acknowledged the problem and is making efforts to step up security both inside and outside of their stores.

Sending strength to Abby and her family.

 

[LookingHoping]

I always hesitate with the maps, because there are so many different possibilities. e.g. she could have gone left up between the Lowe's/Cinema parking lot there and Settler's (big shiny roof I think is the cinema, Lowe's and a dept store also in there (???). There are so many options, which ways she could have gone, did she go through a parking lot, around a lot, hug a store front (if that I think she'd have been seen more).

Don't hold me to this, I was upside down and not sure what the top shiny building on that map is. The little plaza with lowe's is to left of rotary there and think cinema just doesn't show but a bit down off map. (cinema has a big shiny/white roof, too but it isn't on Max's map. THIS IS WHY instead of hesitating I shouldn't have spoken about the map. This aerial stuff kills me, but how often are you flying over rather than driving through, that's my defense! LOL :seeya:

 

[Jade127402]

Since we are back to speculating, I keep thinking about the remoteness of the region. If she is being held by someone who essentially lives "off the grid" in some isolated cabin far from neighbors and major population centers, then conceivably she has no where to run. If you don't know where you are, it makes it pretty impossible (and foolish given the weather) to make a break for it. We already know that she has no coat and simply taking her shoes/boots would deter that option even more. Hopefully, locals are aware of folks who might fit this bill and are paying close attention whenever they might venture into town to shop for necessities/staple goods.

I think timelines can be helpful, but I keep jumping back to the two days leading up to Oct. 9th that we know absolutely nothing about. I find it hard to believe that no one has come forward with that information. But, maybe they have to LE and it just isn't public. Who knows?

As for the handbag/back pack issue raised previously... I know that some stores do not allow you to enter their stores with large packs or bags due to theft concerns. If that is the case, then LE just might have the back pack left in a locker or ditched nearby. Most women tend to simply remove a smaller wallet or purse and carry that alone, just to make it easier to shop. (This entire line of thinking about Walmart makes sense only if she made it that far, which of course, we don't know.) I raise it only because there are plenty of news articles about crime incidents (including abductions) happening in Walmart stores and parking lots all over the country. Criminals find these locations particularly ideal as they are large and generally frequented by females. Walmart themselves has recently acknowledged the problem and is making efforts to step up security both inside and outside of their stores.

Sending strength to Abby and her family.

Wouldn't it be pretty easy for the town to provide records to LE of remote properties along with addresses and property owners names and addresses. All they would have to do is get a map from the town that list where these remote properties are located and possibly do a search in those areas in my imo if this is the case. Then again we are just speculating on the possibilities and for all we know this could be already being done. Then the other thing is has anyone all of a sudden just left town without any kind of notice. I don't know how close the people are in North Conway nor do I really know much about that area as far as the size and if neighbors all know who is who in the town. Those are the things I would be looking into imo.

 

[Steleheart]

Don't hold me to this, I was upside down and not sure what the top shiny building on that map is. The little plaza with lowe's is to left of rotary there and think cinema just doesn't show but a bit down off map. (cinema has a big shiny/white roof, too but it isn't on Max's map. THIS IS WHY instead of hesitating I shouldn't have spoken about the map. This aerial stuff kills me, but how often are you flying over rather than driving through, that's my defense! LOL :seeya:

Well aerial stuff is difficult but with Google Earth you can go down low. How low can you go? all the way to the road, LOL, Everybody clap your hands! (Casper Slide)
It's even possible to go under water with Google earth. Try it!

Ahem.

Now that I am looking at it again, on the map, and with everyone's excellent thoughts here, what do people think about the trails back there?
What if there was a plan to meet up and Abby thought it was just for the afternoon?

But what if there was no car, what if it was an ATV or someone on horseback?

It could have gone badly and she could have ended up back on NS road and be seen later by witnesses like she was trying to get home, only to meet with trouble again? From the same person(s)?

Random thoughts here. But trying to put together elements from the known facts and the unconfirmed sightings, multiple searches behind WM and the intense search area from Eagle's way northward, etc. Those trails go a long way.

We are speculating and these are just my opinions and thoughts.

 

[Hatfield]

I believe that too. I do not believe for a minute she ran away, she either met someone willingly that she planned on meeting, or someone she might have known and that person asked if she wanted a ride or it was some random person she didn't know. But I do not believe for a minute she ran away and she would be home now if she could get there. Prayers that she will make it home safe soon.

I agree. I keep going back to why was she was walking and not on a bus. Was there some sort of fight she had with someone and so she walked instead. Then maybe someone called someone and they knew she would be walking and then offered her a ride.

Whatever the case is I have a bad feeling that someone asked her for a ride and she accepted the ride.

Im so glad for that letter as it gives me hope. I just wish more was known about the letter to maybe give more hints about exactly what was said in it and knowing the postmarked address. And I too wish we knew exactly where she was picked up. We need another crumb badly in this case.

 

[Mom24]

IMO she was picked up on n/s road. The unconfirmed sightings don't state she was with anyone, so I'm assuming she was alone. I think the last ping from the cell tower on cranmore mountain was from her phone powering down. Maybe her phone died and she had thought she'd call her mom when she reached her destination, but she never reached it. I don't believe she was running away, I think she was going to see someone, maybe pick something up, drop something off, etc. I also believe someone offered her a ride, someone she knew but not really well. Kids will accept rides from familiar faces, other kids from school or the guy at the coffee shop, etc and even though they don't know them well they've seen them around enough that they feel safe accepting a ride. After that, I don't know what happened, but my fear is that letter was meant to throw things off, make it look like AH had run away so the searching would stop. The supposition that AH ran away has had a real cooling effect on the public. I simply don't believe this girl ran away, there's no indications she was planning to leave, she didn't pack things, she didn't leave a note, and she had too many connections, friends, family, boyfriend, dogs (we all know how kids are about their dogs!) there's just no way I believe she ran away so the letter doesn't add up, imo.

 

[Hap]

Perhaps a friend of a friend? Or a friend of a family member? Just trying to think of who she would trust enough to take a ride from. Freshman girl, slightly older guy..... remembering WAY BACK when I was that age. So she gets in the car, ride home is not in the scenario of driver. He takes her to another spot? And what.... keeps her there?

Or, they leave the area entirely. But then this other person would be missed as well. So who would not be missed. Perhaps a seasonal type worker? Resort areas like North Conway have plenty of them.

I hope that Abby's friends have come forward with any little bit of info that could help. Someone she smiled at, someone she watched, someone who watched her, showed up in places she was, drove by and waved...... just a little clue could be the key.

 

[LookingHoping]

Nothing new, but this was from yesterday: http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140220/NEWS07/140229986/1016/news07