GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #11

[Spider92]

That the letter was manipulated into being or was coerced in some way has always been a possibility. That possibility however does not preclude her having run away to be with this probably older person before becoming coerced or manipulated into letter writing.
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I agree completely but whether she ran away and is now being controlled or if she has been kidnapped and is now being controlled, what's the difference? RH wrote his letter on the premise that Abby can freely elect to come home and I just don't think that's the case. If she picks up the phone and calls RH this week, I'll be thrilled.....I'm not going to bank on it though.

 

[bakerlady]

I know what you mean.

I don't and I am curious. Is there something I'm missing? I have been lurking here for a while and....well....I'm so lost!

 

[LookingHoping]

I agree completely but whether she ran away and is now being controlled or if she has been kidnapped and is now being controlled, what's the difference? RH wrote his letter on the premise that Abby can freely elect to come home and I just don't think that's the case. If she picks up the phone and calls RH this week, I'll be thrilled.....I'm not going to bank on it though.

This I understand…. your words, not the premise of her suddenly being free to pick up the phone or pack up and leave for a either parents' home

If she picks up the phone and calls this week I'll be suspicious…. I say it because I have no expectation of it happening. We need to continue to get Abby's face and story out there, I have no doubt she needs to be found and saved from whatever situation she is in.

Stay Strong Abby… and Zenya and Sarah <3

www.bringabbyhome.com

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

If anyone reading here, who has not followed the case and would like to catch up, I would recommend reading the threads starting here;
NH NH - Abigail Hernandez, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


If, then, you have some thoughts about the case you could continue here;
NH NH - Abigail Hernandez, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


And then;
NH NH - Abigail Hernandez, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


From there you can pretty much follow those who have sweated this whole thing out. At that point you can pretty much read their thoughts and contemplate their feelings.



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[docwho3]

I agree completely but whether she ran away and is now being controlled or if she has been kidnapped and is now being controlled, what's the difference? RH wrote his letter on the premise that Abby can freely elect to come home and I just don't think that's the case. If she picks up the phone and calls RH this week, I'll be thrilled.....I'm not going to bank on it though.

If she is being controlled by force that is one thing but if she was a runaway being manipulated then she may have somewhat greater freedom.

Also we do not know that she is being forced or coerced or manipulated at all. That is all theory based on next to nothing at this point.

For now I am keeping an open mind. We do not even know if she is with someone else. All that too is theory based on our own thoughts about her ability to survive on her own but she is a teen and may be able to work for cash somewhere. I tend to think she probably IS with someone myself but I am keeping an open mind as to what the relationship might be. But even my thinking that is all theory with no concrete evidence to support it.

As to whether she will respond to that letter. . . I can see where she may well not respond at this point. Later the desire to respond to one or more of her parents may kick in.

IF that one letter from her was really from her of her own will then at least she is responsible enough that she wanted to let her family know she ran away instead of thinking she is dead somewhere. That is a cut above many runaways and is a hopeful sign.

I do not ignore the possibility of the more dire scenarios being spoken of in this thread but I do not ONLY see those possibilities and I do not yet see those possibilities as the most likely outcome.

She may be alone and fine.

She may be with someone that she feels romantic about and it is possible that if she is with someone they may still be happy to be together at this point. That would be nicer than many other possibilities.

She may be with someone who is convincing her not to write at this point due to fear of them being parted if they are caught.

She may be with someone who is convincing her not to contact her parents due to his own more sinister reasons.

She may be with someone that she does not want to be with, perhaps as a prisoner.

We do not know and have very little evidence of what happened and none about what the current situation is.

One last note: It has been put forth that her parent has not seen the letter she wrote or read its contents and to me that makes no sense at all. In my opinion it is about as likely to be so as a whale falling out of the sky and landing on my roof.

If I had a daughter in a similar situation and such a letter existed there is no way I don't see that letter and read its contents. No way at all.
If someone had tried to keep it from me I would yowl to high heaven in the media and go to court . . . .whatever it took. But this did not happen here and I believe that's because both parents have seen the letter (or a copy of it) and its contents.

 

[LookingHoping]

One last note: It has been put forth that her parent has not seen the letter she wrote or read its contents and to me that makes no sense at all. In my opinion is about as likely to be so as a whale falling out of the sky and landing on my roof.

If I had a daughter in a similar situation and such a letter existed there is no way I don't see that letter and read its contents. No way at all.
If someone had tried to keep it from me I would yowl to high heaven in the media and go to court . . . .whatever it took. But this did not happen here and I believe that's because both parents have seen the letter (or a copy of it) and its contents.

First off, I'd like to say that I know for myself and for many here, we all keep an open mind, but we've been down the scenarios so many times we are at the point of going with what we think, at the same time we also state what could be&#8230; as you have. I don't feel I have tunnel vision, my gosh I've looked at (in DEPTH) so many scenario's i cannot remember them all at this point.

I understand your thinking that it seems obvious both parents would know the contents of a letter, but knowing/thinking/assuming/guessingfromMSM that the letter was not to be made public&#8230; I fully feel they would never have told RH about it.

I also wonder... I know as a parent I personally would make dang sure I knew what was in that letter&#8230; but this is a man we know very little about and who has chosen not to make public his actions to find Abby nor make his face, voice, etc. public. So, just as you say we cannot discount the possibility that a 14 now 15 yr old is living on her own and not contacting ANYBODY from her past, we can also not discount that her father (who has not been seen nor barely heard from) may not be put out by a whale on his roof.

I'm not saying this in a disrespectful way, I don't mean to anyway. I know the facts of the case and I'm using them at every turn to make decisions about my thinking. We have a very young girl with no means with her at the time of disappearance to survive. We know the statistics (or the general idea) of what happens to girls that run and try to make it on the street, we know teens confide in friends, use social media, use cell phones (especially newer iPhone 5's) We know more than we think we know in many ways. Very few facts via media, but again, there are enough and through the parents' words we have a picture of what kind of person Abby is and has shown herself to be through her years.

I don't know the answers, what I know is that from all of this I cannot imagine she is in a place right now that she can simply call dad or mom and say 'Hey, come pick me up" She's missed her birthday, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, HS dances, most of 9th grade, Easter, etc. etc. and not any communication other than one letter that wasn't meant to be known to the public. I cannot believe she can come home and I do not know if RH can be considered an insider due to his lack of presence in the case from the outside. I'm not assuming he isn't, I'm wondering if he is.

What I do know is that no matter what, the key to finding her is somebody spotting her&#8230;that or she likely needs to find her own window of opportunity/safety to make an escape. Let's make sure anybody around her that she goes to knows her face and story and can react appropriately and quickly.

 

[MamaJoJo]

First off, I'd like to say that I know for myself and for many here, we all keep an open mind, but we've been down the scenarios so many times we are at the point of going with what we think, at the same time we also state what could be&#8230; as you have. I don't feel I have tunnel vision, my gosh I've looked at (in DEPTH) so many scenario's i cannot remember them all at this point.

I understand your thinking that it seems obvious both parents would know the contents of a letter, but knowing/thinking/assuming/guessingfromMSM that the letter was not to be made public&#8230; I fully feel they would never have told RH about it.

I also wonder... I know as a parent I personally would make dang sure I knew what was in that letter&#8230; but this is a man we know very little about and who has chosen not to make public his actions to find Abby nor make his face, voice, etc. public. So, just as you say we cannot discount the possibility that a 14 now 15 yr old is living on her own and not contacting ANYBODY from her past, we can also not discount that her father (who has not been seen nor barely heard from) may not be put out by a whale on his roof.

I'm not saying this in a disrespectful way, I don't mean to anyway. I know the facts of the case and I'm using them at every turn to make decisions about my thinking. We have a very young girl with no means with her at the time of disappearance to survive. We know the statistics (or the general idea) of what happens to girls that run and try to make it on the street, we know teens confide in friends, use social media, use cell phones (especially newer iPhone 5's) We know more than we think we know in many ways. Very few facts via media, but again, there are enough and through the parents' words we have a picture of what kind of person Abby is and has shown herself to be through her years.

I don't know the answers, what I know is that from all of this I cannot imagine she is in a place right now that she can simply call dad or mom and say 'Hey, come pick me up" She's missed her birthday, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, HS dances, most of 9th grade, Easter, etc. etc. and not any communication other than one letter that wasn't meant to be known to the public. I cannot believe she can come home and I do not know if RH can be considered an insider due to his lack of presence in the case from the outside. I'm not assuming he isn't, I'm wondering if he is.

What I do know is that no matter what, the key to finding her is somebody spotting her&#8230;that or she likely needs to find her own window of opportunity/safety to make an escape. Let's make sure anybody around her that she goes to knows her face and story and can react appropriately and quickly.

Words are not enough to convey my feelings, LH, therefore I shall use some emoticons...
:yesss: :skip: :goodpost: :yourock: :goodpost: :skip: :yesss:
:juanettes: :juanettes: :juanettes: :juanettes: :juanettes: :juanettes: :juanettes:

 

[cluciano63]

I don't understand why it is assumed that her father is not a part of her life...unless someone knows her and knows for sure? Or that he is not considered an equal parent under law?

 

[MamaJoJo]

I don't understand why it is assumed that her father is not a part of her life...unless someone knows her and knows for sure? Or that he is not considered an equal parent under law?

As I understood from the beginning, RH did not play an active role in AH's life after the divorce. To be honest, I can't remember where or when it was first discussed. Maybe through JY when questions were asked about RH at the pressers? Maybe it was hearsay through JC and his camp? Maybe it truly is just an assumption because of his unprecedented extreme desire for privacy. Anybody out there have a link?!

For me, I don't see how it's relevant whether or not he saw the letter. Let's say he did see it...he now is stating his beliefs, is offering a possible solution to Abby's troubles and asking her to contact him. Let's say he didn't see it...he's still stating his beliefs, offering a solution and asking Abby to contact him. And, unless he either gave up or was stripped of his parental rights, I would think he would be considered an equal parent under the law. All IMO.

There is so much mystery surrounding RH that it's hard for me to get a handle on his connection. He has shown the public pretty much nothing. We don't even know if he has been active in the search for Abby. Sometimes actions speak louder than words.

 

[docwho3]

Going to combine more than one short post into this one.

1. '. . . The team of investigators has been looking at certain pieces of evidence . . .'
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20140414/NEWS07/140419578

Wonder what pieces (plural) of evidence they are looking at beside the letter. Maybe LE has found more evidence than we know.

2. People have asked in general: 'Who is her father?' Well first, he IS her father and that is important enough for me. However I did find a little bit to look at and I am sure many have seen this but there may be some who have not.

Both quotes are from same link.
'. . . Ruben Hernandez is an architect who spends half his time at a home in New Hampshire and half his time in
his native state of Texas, according to Velasquez, of Houston, who is Ruben Hernandez’s nephew. . . .'

'. . . “Abby and Sarah (Abigail’s older sister) were maybe even closer to (Ruben Hernandez) than she was to her
mother (Zenya Hernandez of North Conway),”said Velasquez. . . .'
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20131106/NEWS07/131109598

I consider the source of the comments in that article so it is not unbiased but he seems to have family that think highly of him. Spending half his time in one home and half his time in another sounds like he makes a good living at what he does. Sounds like a life that might have made marriage and family life difficult though.

So who is he? Time will tell.

 

[LookingHoping]

Going to combine more than one short post into this one.

1. '. . . The team of investigators has been looking at certain pieces of evidence . . .'
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20140414/NEWS07/140419578

Wonder what pieces (plural) of evidence they are looking at beside the letter. Maybe LE has found more evidence than we know.

2. People have asked in general: 'Who is her father?' Well first, he IS her father and that is important enough for me. However I did find a little bit to look at and I am sure many have seen this but there may be some who have not.

Both quotes are from same link.
'. . . Ruben Hernandez is an architect who spends half his time at a home in New Hampshire and half his time in
his native state of Texas, according to Velasquez, of Houston, who is Ruben Hernandez’s nephew. . . .'

'. . . “Abby and Sarah (Abigail’s older sister) were maybe even closer to (Ruben Hernandez) than she was to her
mother (Zenya Hernandez of North Conway),”said Velasquez. . . .'
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20131106/NEWS07/131109598

I consider the source of the comments in that article so it is not unbiased but he seems to have family that think highly of him. Spending half his time in one home and half his time in another sounds like he makes a good living at what he does. Sounds like a life that might have made marriage and family life difficult though.

So who is he? Time will tell.

I get excited over the prospect of new evidence, more pieces to look at. This puzzle needs to get put together asap.

As for quote by DV, I can't/don't consider him a source. Why? He is not MSM, he's not a parent and biggest reason of all would be comments on the missing pages he's made aiming directly at Abby's immediate family members.

 

[skibaboo]

https://www.facebook.com/bringabbyhome/posts/227560404117838

 

[docwho3]

I get excited over the prospect of new evidence, more pieces to look at. This puzzle needs to get put together asap. . .

Good because that quote about pieces of evidence was from 'Senior Associate Attorney General Jane Young', according to the article linked .

As for quote by DV, I can't/don't consider him a source. Why? He is not MSM, he's not a parent and biggest reason of all would be comments on the missing pages he's made aiming directly at Abby's immediate family members.

In my opinion this term 'insider' some of you keep using is best applied to the insider status granted to people for posting purposes here. It is confusing to be using the same term for 2 different things. This person I quoted remarking about the parent is a nephew and is commenting on his uncle. . . .what his uncle does for a living and what he knows of the relationship of his uncle to his daughters.

He may not be privy to inside case details but I don't think that rules him out from commenting on his uncle. The article itself is in MSM and as you know people do not have to be reporters themselves to be interviewed in an MSM article by a reporter. I did say I consider the source in his commenting about his uncle because I do not expect him to be completely unbiased in his comments about his uncle.

If he has made comments on 'missing pages' about the other side of the family that are unflattering we can always remember that in stressful times family (including and especially those from opposite sides of a separation or divorce) will probably say some unflattering stuff. I don't think that disqualifies him from speaking about his uncle. He gave some information about what Abby's parent does for a living and that is informative. He thinks the dad has a close relationship to Abby. That's his opinion and I see no reason not to take his opinion into account but I also consider that he IS a relative of that parent and so rather than believe it totally I at least consider that the parent was not such a bad person that his own relatives would not have something good to say about him.

It goes towards painting a picture of those involved in the case . . . putting a face to go with the names and adding color to our black and white look at things.

 

[MamaJoJo]

https://www.facebook.com/bringabbyhome/posts/227560404117838

Thank you, Skibaboo. This statement is very telling, IMO, of "insider" sentiments about RH's letter.

ETA: Like I said yesterday, we don't know the veracity of his claims. As for ZH, it seems as if she doesn't want to be spoken for.

 

[Mom24]

Thank you, Skibaboo. This statement is very telling, IMO, of "insider" sentiments about RH's letter.

ETA: Like I said yesterday, we don't know the veracity of his claims. As for ZH, it seems as if she doesn't want to be spoken for.

And we don't know the veracity of ZH's opinion either. As LE has said, nothing is off the table. Mom thinks she was abducted, Dad thinks she ran away. The important thing is that AH is still missing, and that's all we know for complete surety.

 

[Mom24]

I don't and I am curious. Is there something I'm missing? I have been lurking here for a while and....well....I'm so lost!

It's the emotional roller coaster and having so much conflicting evidence. In other words "I know what you mean, we think one thing one day and then someone comes out with something else and we feel another way". This has been a strange case, so many twists and turns that it's frustrating.

 

[LookingHoping]

Mom24, we do know that she and LE work together, stand side by side in the media.

 

[Mom24]

But the idea of your child being in the hands of a pervert, presumably, would have to be worse than your pride, I would think...jmo

It's not logical, but while RH is convinced his daughter ran away, ZH is equally convinced she didn't. It's not about logic or the premise of "if she didn't run she must be in the hands of pervert" it's about how a person might not want to face a problem. Equally, RH may be convinced AH ran away because he can't face the presumption that she's in the hands of a pervert, that may be clouding his opinion of this whole case. I'm saying ZH's opinion may be clouded by her feeling that AH wouldn't ever run away.
However, after sleeping on it and thinking about it, it really doesn't matter whether she ran off or she's been abducted, the fact is AH is missing and not safe.

 

[CatFancier]

Please remember that dad is a victim in this case per our TOS. He's not sleuthable and further, let's not try to determine his motivations.

 

[Steleheart]

To get a faster case history without having to search through numerous websites, here is Abigail Hernandez Case Archive. It contains (most if not all) the articles, videos, pictures since day 1, and is updated as news is reported.

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/cr...6&page=1&_suid=139822278964307867707671465364

Amazingly enough, this archive has under 4K views, which is about 1/15th of what it should have in the time frame. Check it out, it is a great resource.

Please check it out. Even if you've seen it before, maybe something will click.

Thanks AR I knew you'd come to the rescue!