GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #14

[Stolat]

I find it peculiar that more recent media articles are starting to truncate the original description Abigail reportedly provided to police. Current quotes are now leaving out pertinent parts that contradict a good match to the man they have in custody. So assuming her description is accurate I would expect the police are still searching for the man who actually abducted her into his car, as it seems there may be more than one suspect involved in her kidnapping. Because according to her own description, it sure doesn't seem to be this tall thin blue eyed pasty man they are showing in court on tv.

"Police say according to information from Abby, the man depicted in the sketch "drove her away" on Oct. 9 between 2:20 and 3 p.m. At the time, the man was driving a navy blue pick-up truck on North South Road in Conway, north of the rotary. Abby described the man as having darkish skin, dark brown eyes, black stubble facial hair, and a large build, who was slightly overweight and slightly taller than she was (5'4").

http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx/local-news/115550-abby-weakened-by-nine-moth-absence

 

[Caitlin]

If a victim did not share information and cooperate with law enforcement/courts how could the system proceed? Granted, when a victim is never found or is found deceased it is a different situation.

I think part of the reason they are keeping this investigation so closed is because they want to gather all the evidence they can so AH will not have to testify. Also, it seems so possible that victims who have been through trauma can't participate, at least not right away. There's Stockholm Syndrome, PTSD...just plain horror and trauma that can prevent victims from aiding in the investigation. It is up to the police to determine what happened. If AH was held for this whole time, they will be able to find plenty of forensic evidence. Everything will proceed the same way as it does in other investigations.

O/T but Chelsea Hoffman is at it again. Just read a victim shaming article where she says LE has said she voluntarily ran away and blaming her for not telling the truth. Why does this woman need to inflict so much pain time and time again?

 

[atthelake]

I would love to think that her family is approaching Elizabeth Smart's foundation for support. ((Abby))

 

[mcw0105]

I think NEK let Abby go because he had a court date in 3 days and he had no idea if he was going to be sent to jail. If he was sentenced to 30 days she would have died locked in his property. That would put him at serious risk b/c someone would probably eventually notice and instead of being released and being a free man he would be charged with murder.

I think he was smart enough to figure out that his best chance at that point in time was to let her go and be eligible for a lesser sentence. The only other alternative would have been life or death as NH is a death penalty state.

IMO if NEK was not arrested for trespassing, he would have not released Abby.

Talk about a blessing in disguise!

This.

Either he thought he would be going to jail and didn't want to risk her dying on his property, or he was worried that someone would find her while he was away. I think it was previously mentioned that he had a dog? Someone would have to care for the dog while he was away.

 

[Steleheart]

Definitely with a grain of salt since it wasn't in the charge at his arraignment.

Well I don't think it would have been since his charge was only for the Oct 9 restraining of her in Conway. JY said in the presser that they were still searching his property so I doubt that Law Enforcement is ready to hand over any evidence. IMO When I read "Law Enforcement sources" I generally take that as janitor/secretary

 

[Ontario Mom]

I find it peculiar that more recent media articles are starting to truncate the original description Abigail reportedly provided to police. Current quotes are now leaving out pertinent parts that contradict a good match to the man they have in custody. So assuming her description is accurate I would expect the police are still searching for the man who actually abducted her into his car, as it seems there may be more than one suspect involved in her kidnapping. Because according to her own description, it sure doesn't seem to be this tall thin blue eyed pasty man they are showing in court on tv.

"Police say according to information from Abby, the man depicted in the sketch "drove her away" on Oct. 9 between 2:20 and 3 p.m. At the time, the man was driving a navy blue pick-up truck on North South Road in Conway, north of the rotary. Abby described the man as having darkish skin, dark brown eyes, black stubble facial hair, and a large build, who was slightly overweight and slightly taller than she was (5'4").

http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx/local-news/115550-abby-weakened-by-nine-moth-absence

I'm also having a real hard time reconciling the complete opposites of the description given and the person arrested. So, a few thoughts.

Regarding time frame - According to the article linked earlier, NK's former employer said he showed up to work every day, including the day Abby was kidnapped (between 2:20 and 3:00pm). Did he have a time card? Did he leave early? What shift was he on and what time exactly did he leave work that day? I'll assume LE already have or are in the process of obtaining those records. Was it actually NK that physically kidnapped her that day or was it the short, darkish skinned guy in NK's blue truck?

Regarding the charge of kidnapping - I've read in other cases that to be charged with kidnapping doesn't necessarily mean you physically abducted someone. It can also include whether or not you personally held them against their will. So if 1 person committed the actual abduction and another held Abby against her will, both would actually be charged with kidnapping.

Regarding the obvious differences in the description of the kidnapper and the actual physical appearance of NK - it's night and day. Was that intentional? Do LE normally give out 100% false info to the public then ask for their help in looking for someone they're not actually looking for? Doesn't make much sense to me that they would as that would be a complete waste of everyone's time and resources, but it's been suggested. Or, did Abby purposely give the wrong info at first for some other reason? Or was it accurate and there is actually someone else involved?

Lots of questions about this bizarre case.

 

[cuteemoshannon]

First. Thank the stars all that is good that Abigail is home safely where she belongs. I need to update my signature. Now, it makes me extremely uncomfortable that any adult on here would keep bringing up sexual assault and assuming that MUST have happened to her. If you think that, fine. Keep it in your head. But if I was Abby and I saw this discussion, I would be distraught whether it happened or not. This child has gone through horrors that we can't even imagine, and we know this because she was held by a man for 9 months. That's terrible enough. Being a victim is nothing to be ashamed of, but insinuating or flat out calling someone a sexual assault victim is way out of line. You can look at a group of high school girls and assume at least half of them have been sexually harassed or worse. It doesn't mean you would say anything about it to them or their loved ones. You especially wouldn't do it online.

Also, about the victim hero thing. I completely AGREE. It puts a burden on the victim to act or behave a certain way. This can impede the healing process. She can be as weak as she needs to be or as strong as she wants to be. Whatever she does or feels is ok and shows her resilience.

Anywhoodles, I had the extremely fortunate experience of the press conference coming on right when my psychiatrist called me back yesterday. I told her what was happening and she listened and watched with me. She analyzed NEKs movements and mannerisms. She said "he seems anti-social, very much so." And "look how he sits there confident, no remorse, and with his head up, definitely anti-social behaviors, like he is better." It was neat to get a professionals opinion, and for free! (I'm part of a clinical trial for Abilify Maintena for BiPolar 1) so that was her take. I hope he rots in jail for a very very long time.

 

[bakerlady]

The court date theory makes sense to me as well, except for the fact that I don't think people usually end up going to jail for trespass. Maybe because of his background this was more likely. What type of hearing was it?

NH has an interesting definition of kidnapping. The unlawful transport and concealment prong is normal, but the part about confining them for certain purposes is new to me. Not sure if they have crimes like false imprisonment in NH. It's pretty broad and doesn't tell us much about what actually happened, but whatever did happen, he was confining her. I hope she is readjusting as best she can. Also, I don't think you can testify via camera. Violates the confrontation clause. Possible to have a deposition aired in court if the witness is unable to testify, but tough. I have a feeling this case will come together pretty well without her testimony, if she does not want to testify, and would not be surprised by a plea deal.

He was also charged with assault and it was dropped. People certainly go to jail for assault. Given his priors he probably thought he would be doing some time. Normally I would be pissed that an assault charge was dropped with a guy like this but imagine if it was NOT dropped and he was sentenced to time in jail. Abby would be stuck there, alone, and hungry. It really is amazing how this worked out for her.

Kibby, who attended Kennett High in the late 1990s, was in Conway Circuit Court on July 23. He was found guilty of criminal trespass and was given a $1,240 fine which was suspended pending one year of good behavior. A simple assault charge was dropped.
As a part of his plea deal, Kibby is to have no contact with the alleged victims.The assault charge alleged that Kibby pushed a woman to the ground in Redstone in early March. The trespassing charge said he trespassed at the same address where the alleged assault took place.

http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx...-went-to-kennett-and-had-brushes-with-the-law

 

[imamaze]

Commenting on the differences between the sketch and Kibby... I'm trying to understand how difficult is it to take someone elses description and draw your interpretation of what she or he is describing. I would be curious to know how many sketches actually match the suspects? In this case we have AH to say yes that's him or no its not him.

I guess to me it might matter if we didn't have a survivor but thankfully we do in this case. We have Abby!

 

[Linda7NJ]

If a victim did not share information and cooperate with law enforcement/courts how could the system proceed? Granted, when a victim is never found or is found deceased it is a different situation.

Sometimes it just doesn't proceed.
Without a complaining witness, sometimes a case falls apart or goes completely unnoticed.

That's the way it is.

Some people aren't strong enough to stand feet away from their perpetrator or testify.

 

[Stolat]

I'm also having a real hard time reconciling the complete opposites of the description given and the person arrested. So, a few thoughts.

Regarding time frame - According to the article linked earlier, NK's former employer said he showed up to work every day, including the day Abby was kidnapped (between 2:20 and 3:00pm). Did he have a time card? Did he leave early? What shift was he on and what time exactly did he leave work that day? I'll assume LE already have or are in the process of obtaining those records. Was it actually NK that physically kidnapped her that day or was it the short, darkish skinned guy in NK's blue truck?

Regarding the charge of kidnapping - I've read in other cases that to be charged with kidnapping doesn't necessarily mean you physically abducted someone. It can also include whether or not you personally held them against their will. So if 1 person committed the actual abduction and another held Abby against her will, both would actually be charged with kidnapping.

Regarding the obvious differences in the description of the kidnapper and the actual physical appearance of NK - it's night and day. Was that intentional? Do LE normally give out 100% false info to the public then ask for their help in looking for someone they're not actually looking for? Doesn't make much sense to me that they would as that would be a complete waste of everyone's time and resources, but it's been suggested. Or, did Abby purposely give the wrong info at first for some other reason? Or was it accurate and there is actually someone else involved?

Lots of questions about this bizarre case.

Yes, a person can be charged with kidnapping even if they were not the one who physically abducted a victim. We saw this with Adam and Theresa Mayes.

Yes the suspect in custody and Abigail's detailed description is night and day. It is bizarre. I hope they find the man Abby described. Dark brown eyes vs. blue eyes and tall & thin versus overweight & slightly over 5'4" is a huge discrepancy.

Based on the discrepancy, why aren't the police explaining to the community why they shouldn't still be in fear? There's evidently a child-kidnapping criminal still on the loose. Or at least they need to explain why they feel they have the right suspect in custody even though the guy looks nothing like what Abby reported. Perhaps they are still looking for a second person, but if that's the case, shouldn't the residents be warned?

 

[Stolat]

Commenting on the differences between the sketch and Kibby... I'm trying to understand how difficult is it to take someone elses description and draw your interpretation of what she or he is describing. I would be curious to know how many sketches actually match the suspects? In this case we have AH to say yes that's him or no its not him.

I guess to me it might matter if we didn't have a survivor but thankfully we do in this case. We have Abby!

Understood, but typically I would imagine that to be the case when the victim has briefer encounter with the assailant. I would think 9 months is long enough to know if your abductor has dark brown eyes vs blue eyes.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Where are his parents?
Does he have siblings?

Not to sleuth, just wondering ......

 

[cuteemoshannon]

Yes, a person can be charged with kidnapping even if they were not the one who physically abducted a victim. We saw this with Adam and Theresa Mayes.

Yes the suspect in custody and Abigail's detailed description is night and day. It is bizarre. I hope they find the man Abby described. Dark brown eyes vs. blue eyes and tall & thin versus overweight & slightly over 5'4" is a huge discrepancy.

Based on the discrepancy, why aren't the police explaining to the community why they shouldn't still be in fear? There's evidently a child-kidnapping criminal still on the loose. Or at least they need to explain why they feel they have the right suspect in custody even though the guy looks nothing like what Abby reported. Perhaps they are still looking for a second person, but if that's the case, shouldn't the residents be warned?

Maybe in the case there is another abductor, that he is already imprisoned on another offense? He could be in jail or deceased or not in public. But I think that they have the right and only guy. just my opinion.


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[PoirotryInMotion]

He was also charged with assault and it was dropped. People certainly go to jail for assault. Given his priors he probably thought he would be doing some time. Normally I would be pissed that an assault charge was dropped with a guy like this but imagine if it was NOT dropped and he was sentenced to time in jail. Abby would be stuck there, alone, and hungry. It really is amazing how this worked out for her.
http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx...-went-to-kennett-and-had-brushes-with-the-law

Well, to be objective (which I'm pretty sure is difficult right now), if the assault charge was dropped, it was because the judge felt that charge was unsubstantiated. A dropped charge isn't exactly a history of assault; but neither does it prove NEK is not capable of it. It just is what it is. JMO.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Where are his parents?
Does he have siblings?

Not to sleuth, just wondering ......

Was wondering that, too. I was thinking they must not have been in court yesterday, as the media would certainly have taken notice.

 

[AnaTeresa]

Yes, a person can be charged with kidnapping even if they were not the one who physically abducted a victim. We saw this with Adam and Theresa Mayes.

Yes the suspect in custody and Abigail's detailed description is night and day. It is bizarre. I hope they find the man Abby described. Dark brown eyes vs. blue eyes and tall & thin versus overweight & slightly over 5'4" is a huge discrepancy.

Based on the discrepancy, why aren't the police explaining to the community why they shouldn't still be in fear? There's evidently a child-kidnapping criminal still on the loose. Or at least they need to explain why they feel they have the right suspect in custody even though the guy looks nothing like what Abby reported. Perhaps they are still looking for a second person, but if that's the case, shouldn't the residents be warned?

BBM.

Really? Are we really still criticizing LE? People were criticizing when they were playing things close to the vest and we had a quick arrest. If they aren't talking, it's for a reason!

 

[ClaireNC]

Interesting little tidbit of information in this article. "In all, Team 5 found 58 cases involving Kibby since the 1990s, most of them minor violations and several where charges were dropped."

Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/team-5-kibby-charged-in-1998-incident-with-girl-16/27212818#ixzz38xwDrUeG

58 run-ins with the law in 20 years! I wonder if any others involved young girls with dark hair.

Also I think it is eery that he went to Kennet High School, tried to grab a girl at that time and a former classmate said he was obsessed with girls with dark hair. I don't think his choice of taking Abby was totally random, but planned to some degree.

The quote from the former classmate is in this article: http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx...ten-to-the-core-according-to-former-classmate

 

[Stolat]

Maybe in the case there is another abductor, that he is already imprisoned on another offense? He could be in jail or deceased or not in public. But I think that they have the right and only guy. just my opinion.


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I do not for a moment dispute that he was involved and responsible for this crime- based on his reaction to the judge's orders --he nodded several times in response to her instructions. Not necessarily admittance of guilt, but I did find the body language to be very revealing. He didn't have to nod at the times that he did, it was voluntary reaction on his part and it just seemed to convey that he understood his role in all of this. I could be way off, that's just how it struck me.

However, I also am completely mystified by the fact that after 9 mos she described him as having dark brown eyes when he clearly has blue. And he's clearly not even close to being near or slightly taller than 5'4". My sister is 5'4" and I'm 5'9" and she used to say "ho ho ho" to tease me (jolly green giant) - i towered over her. And this guy looks even taller than I am. So I can't even fathom reconciling the eye and height discrepancy.

I'm curious what you think that could be? Are the cops putting out false info? Do you think he solely acted alone and yet she was soooo far off on her description of someone she spent 9 mos with?

I'm just mesmerized with this part of the mystery. I hope to find answers.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Understood, but typically I would imagine that to be the case when the victim has briefer encounter with the assailant. I would think 9 months is long enough to know if your abductor has dark brown eyes vs blue eyes.

Well, if she only saw him in the dark, the eye or hair color could be confusing. But--even if blindfolded--the height discrepancy is startling. She described him as slightly overweight and 'just a bit taller' than herself; booking info shows him to be 6 foot 1 inch tall, and 165 lbs. That's a big, lanky, 9-inch discrepancy that I'm having a harder time explaining away.