GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #14

[tlcya]

Thank you, this is very useful.

Does anyone else find it ODD that neighbors not only know when he bought the container, but WHO he bought the container for and WHAT was inside the container???

But NO ONE saw a strange girl on the property for 9 mos???

Even more mystery!!

Kibby has lived in the trailer park for five years and neighbors described him as a loner and many admitted they were uncomfortable around him. He was known to keep guns and several people said he was physically abusive to his former girlfriend.

Park co-owner Janet Corrigan said Kibby moved into the park in July 2009 with a girlfriend who had grown up there. After the couple broke up several years ago, she said Kibby kept the trailer and remained in the park. http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx/local-news/115511-neighbors-describe-kibby-as-loner

video of interviews with neighbors. http://www.wcvb.com/news/neighbors-shocked-by-kibby-kidnapping-arrest/27213962#!bq4oEY

[FONT=proxima_nova_rgregular]A neighbor of Kibby said he moved into the mobile-home park in Gorham about five years ago and kept to himself as he walked through the neighborhood with his Doberman.[/FONT]
[FONT=proxima_nova_rgregular]"He just gave you weird vibes," said another neighbor, Kayla Delisle. "You stayed away from him as much as you could." http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nathaniel-kibby-held-1m-bail-abigail-hernandez-kidnap-n167591[/FONT]

 

[Bodhi]

I honestly don't know how good a description of someone my DD could supply if asked to, good point. She is a kid. Heck I don't know how good I would be at relaying how someone looked to another who was trying to draw it. Eye witnesses are not always the best witnesses.

Height. I am a bad judge of height. I can tell you shorter than I or taller than I or I can tell you heavier set or slender. but to ascribe numbers or how tall or how fat. Nope. I don't think I would be a very good witness about such things.

Me too, tlcya! I have difficulty remembering someone's names if I have just been introduced or it is repeated to me later. But I can recall specifics of the interaction for years that others forget quickly. I remember how I meet them, who in general they are (like a parent of a child my son went to kindergarten with), and what we said. But I could give a general description at best--hair type, body type. And I certainly never remember eye color. I might walk right by the person years later but if I hear their name, I remember how I know them instantly.

 

[tlcya]

seems as though the ex GF had the ties to the trailer park. She grew up there, she had family who still resides in the trailer park. She was probably the source of info and contact with NEK that many neighbors had. When the two split and she left, leaving him there in the trailer, I get the sense that is when folks in the park began avoiding him and he them. I think they tolerated him socially before because of their relationship with his ex. Once she was gone, all pretense of sociability may have fallen by the wayside and there was no longer any reason to try to be sociable with the guy the call Crazy Nate.

Just thoughts and speculation.

 

[Bodhi]

I really don't mean to be critical of LE- I commend them for getting things moving along. I'm so very happy for that. I just am having a hard time getting over the large bump in the road on the information we are receiving. I guess I am just curious in that way. It just doesn't add up and those kinds of blaring loose ends make me seek the answers. It may be LE, it may be Abby, it may be the media, who knows? But somewhere someone is giving information that clearly does not add up and this is the kind of forum that encourages exploring such avenues.

Or so I thought. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

Hi Stolat, please don't take the responses as a personal attack. I think posters like me were reacting to what read as a strong criticism of LE in your previous post for not explaining why the suspect doesn't match the physical description or sketch (I am one who thinks Kibby does look like the sketch in major ways) and alleviating fears in the community about whether another kidnapper is still on the loose. I take AAG at her word when she said at the PC that at this time there are no other suspects. She said if LE develops information that someone else may have been involved, they will pursue it. I trust that LE would not withhold information that put the public at risk.

That's the point others were making. I am curious like you, especially about the height discrepancy, but I don't think LE needs to disclose anything they know about why in order to alleviate public concern or curiousity. I am sure Kibby's defense will make that point at trial, and then the public will likely learn the details through cross-examination.

 

[Bodhi]

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"The man charged with kidnapping 15-year-old Abigail Hernandez held her against her will in a storage container behind his trailer, according to a law enforcement source."

http://www.necn.com/07/28/14/Police...dez-/landing.html?blockID=869765&feedID=11106


ETA: I'm not sure how much credibility to give it since news sources keep changing their source for that information.

MSM stories have frequently misidentified people who knew Kibby. For example, the WMUR report I watched at 11 o'clock on the night of the arrest included an interview with TS. She is the woman that Kibby rear-ended and assaulted in March in Conway. She is from Conway. Other outlets have quoted her in subsequent stories but identified her as a neighbor.

I love WebSleuths because we only use MSM. It can be frustrating when I want to discuss something that is against the TOS. But with all the factual mistakes on breaking stories, we do well to remember that even MSM are not gospel. And if we discussed non-MSM, we'd be chasing our tails and violating people's privacy.

 

[Rivernh]

Very curious to see what the examination of the property is turning up. The probable cause hearing will shed light I think on exactly how and where Abby was kept.

I'm curious too. If Kibby was the one keeping Abby, he did have a few days to clean up evidence of her presence.

 

[Bravo]

I'm curious too. If Kibby was the one keeping Abby, he did have a few days to clean up evidence of her presence.

Agree. Could he really wipe away every trace after 9 months? I doubt it. Just bouncing off your post.

 

[Stolat]

Me too, tlcya! I have difficulty remembering someone's names if I have just been introduced or it is repeated to me later. But I can recall specifics of the interaction for years that others forget quickly. I remember how I meet them, who in general they are (like a parent of a child my son went to kindergarten with), and what we said. But I could give a general description at best--hair type, body type. And I certainly never remember eye color. I might walk right by the person years later but if I hear their name, I remember how I know them instantly.

All very good points. I generally have the same issues with people I meet briefly or seldomly interact with. Do you find the same issue with people you have lived with for 9 mos?

Understood, she may have been drugged or blindfolded. That would be totally understandable. However, if neither is the case then there is no logical explanation why someone would not recognize eye color or be able to tell height differences in a person you are confined to be with for almost a year. So it will be interesting to learn the answers to that huge discrepancy - if in fact we will ever learn at all.

 

[Bravo]

IMO Abby was too traumatized to give an accurate description. Out of fear and terror. It wouldn't be a reach to imagine Abby was threatened especially given the fact she was kept alive and released.

 

[Bodhi]

Thank you, this is very useful.

Does anyone else find it ODD that neighbors not only know when he bought the container, but WHO he bought the container for and WHAT was inside the container???

But NO ONE saw a strange girl on the property for 9 mos???

Even more mystery!!

I think they remember when he brought the shipping container because they knew the ex-gf. She has relatives and friends living in the trailer park. They would be able to give a rough estimate of when she moved in and when she moved out, and then narrow it down by looking back at photos, old posts on SM, and talking to her.

I don't think it is that weird that no one saw her. She may never have been in a place or circumstances where she could be seen or heard.

Some people have been rescued or recovered from closets and basements and others in the house were not aware they were there. Here's a horrible case of missed opportunities: Jessica Lunsford's kidnapper was staying across the street from her home. 2 or 3 other people were also living in the trailer. Jessica was hidden in a closet when police did a cursory search of the mobile home. She was buried alive 3 days after she was kidnapped just on the other side of the trailer from all the media spotlights.

Wow--I'm reminded again of how rare Abby's homecoming is!

 

[azwildcat]

Also in the mug shot his eyes look very blue but in the other pictures I've seen they just look dark.

 

[AnaTeresa]

All very good points. I generally have the same issues with people I meet briefly or seldomly interact with. Do you find the same issue with people you have lived with for 9 mos?

Understood, she may have been drugged or blindfolded. That would be totally understandable. However, if neither is the case then there is no logical explanation why someone would not recognize eye color or be able to tell height differences in a person you are confined to be with for almost a year. So it will be interesting to learn the answers to that huge discrepancy - if in fact we will ever learn at all.

I've been dating my boyfriend for two years. Just the other day, he had to ask what color my eyes were.

Some people are more observant than others.

 

[Bodhi]

I know the eye color of very few people, even people I have worked with for years in close quarters.

 

[alreetlike]

I know the eye color of very few people, even people I have worked with for years in close quarters.

I was just about to say the same thing. I've worked in the same place for 10 years and I couldn't tell you the eye colour of a single one of my colleagues.

I could probably name 3-4 close family members and my boyfriend's eye colour. It's just not something I pay attention to in people.

 

[takeitfromme412]

I'm still missing the part about how she got back home? Who brought her? Who drove her? All I've seen so far is that her parents said she just "showed up" back at home.

Can anyone fill me in? Do we know how ??

It was said in court that she was taken from north south road and then dropped off at the same location. Also, another post here was discussing the initial thought that she returned home after school. After that first night they realized she NEVER made it home after school....I'm confident that they have at least minor evidence that helped them come to this conclusion. Whether it was surveillance video or whatnot, I'm not exactly sure, but it should come out on August 12 at the probable cause hearing.

 

[white rabbit]

this is how I would've expected him to act yesterday...and he 'called' LE to his home? interesting. sorry if this was posted I hadn't seen it...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...N1DfXVgtYoJ/story.html?p1=ArticleTab_Article_

Ray said he saw Kibby at a court proceeding last week, and “he was just very, very arrogant, smirking and smiling.”

After that incident, Kibby was ordered not to possess any firearms as part of his bail conditions. Court records show he called Gorham police to his home March 4 to seize several guns, so as not to violate his bail conditions.

Police referred all questions to the attorney general, whose office declined to comment on the visit.

 

[Mom24]

Everyone's been talking about the discrepancies between the police sketch and the man under arrest. This is why eye witness reports aren't 100% effective. She may have seen him only briefly and in panic so it may have been hard to describe him. Height can be tricky for some people. I often get a person's height off and I'm just miserable at distances. My guess is that she did the best she could and after 3 hours of working with the sketch artist who she may not have been able to communicate with well she gave up and said good enough. I'm sure the whole thing will be cleared up when this goes to court.

 

[newguy123]

Perhaps the best gauge was Abby herself in court. She must have been convinced he was "the guy" or at least "one of them" as she sat there. Something else besides that sketch put the police onto this guy.......not sure what it was though. A quick check of navy blue pick up trucks registered within an hour of her home? (Then expanding the search area if req'd). From those records perhaps pics of the owners which should be on file too. Something besides that sketch led them to his door and no doubt she would have confirmed any suspicions they had.

 

[SStarr33]

Perhaps the best gauge was Abby herself in court. She must have been convinced he was "the guy" or at least "one of them" as she sat there. Something else besides that sketch put the police onto this guy.......not sure what it was though. A quick check of navy blue pick up trucks registered within an hour of her home? (Then expanding the search area if req'd). From those records perhaps pics of the owners which should be on file too. Something besides that sketch led them to his door and no doubt she would have confirmed any suspicions they had.

I might be wrong, but I don't think people are questioning if he is the guy, just if there was more than one.

 

[MsFacetious]

That shipping container is WAY bigger than you need to store a motorcycle!

I don't know exactly how long it is... they have different sizes.
However, we have one that looks EXACTLY like this one.
We fit the entire contents of a 3800 square foot house in it.
Length wise we were able to fit 4-6 couches... it is ridiculously large.

Even the smaller ones could fit several motorcycles.
Why not rent a cheap storage unit to store the motorcycle?

I agree it is like an OVEN in the summer though.
You would have to do something to it for ventilation or be living underneath it, to survive the summer there. :twocents: