GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - # 9

[geevee]

So what was the 'crucial new evidence'?

 

[takeitfromme412]

So what was the 'crucial new evidence'?

The letter, and nancy talked to zenya briefly and 2 reporters as well..... she asked if the letter was a cruel hoax or really from abby

 

[Dixie811]

Yes, that was exactly what I was thinking, most things in her room will have her prints on them, not hard to get hers to compare with any found on the letter itself, I'd think.

True. Also, I am much older than Abigail but when I was about 4 or 5 my parents took me to a free event at the public library hosted by the local police department where they were fingerprinting children, as a proactive measure in case a child were to be abducted or go missing.

I have heard of these type of events before and I believe they are fairly common. But no telling if Abigail had any fingerprints documented or not.

 

[Dee10]

Yes, that was exactly what I was thinking, most things in her room will have her prints on them, not hard to get hers to compare with any found on the letter itself, I'd think.

I agree, but LE also has to be careful in just assuming those are her fingerprints, or someon's hair or toothbrush. Not saying in this case, but many times someone reports their wife or child missing when in fact they were involved so I would think it is not that simple just to take take fingerprints etc. but to try and establish independent sources of any DNA or fingerprints. In this case, it maybe to find a test taken by Abby at school, to compare with prints at home. There also maybe many prints in her room. IF the envelope was licked; trying to find a independent source that can be absolutely established as Abby's and nobody elses. Independent "official" evidence, not assumptions is what I am trying to say, so I can understand if that does take time to completely confirm.

 

[takeitfromme412]

True. Also, I am much older than Abigail but when I was about 4 or 5 my parents took me to a free event at the public library hosted by the local police department where they were fingerprinting children, as a proactive measure in case a child were to be abducted or go missing.

I have heard of these type of events before and I believe they are fairly common. But no telling if Abigail had any fingerprints documented or not.

NH police depts and the AG's office have always been proactive about building relationships with their communities and creating awareness about taking fingerprints, hair samples and such from your kids that you as a parent keep.... they even have digital fingerprinting systems they put your childs pictures and prints on a flashdrive for you now... however I do not know if abby had hers done or not

 

[megan.sense]

What is going on in Massachusetts in more than one area is chilling IMHO. I don't understand it. I've looked at the missing states through NH, ME, VT and when you get to MA it is like a different world and in certain pockets. Of course, I know there are reputations for these areas...which saddens me even more so to think somehow they must be thought to not be as deserving of media attention and the general Fight to Find Them as others

Now that you mention it...lots of endangered runaways from MA that went missing around the same time.

http://capecoddaily.com/news/missing-children/

 

[LookingHoping]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=usMapSearch&missState=MA

5 teenage females from MA in 2013...2 in October 2013. (I counted quickly, I may be off a number on both...regardless it is unnerving)

 

[Radichio77885]

Not my area of expertise so I am just asking and speculating...
Given all the seasonal/vacation homes and rental properties in this area, wouldn't a real estate agent and/or property managers have keys and access to these vacant structures? If so, a person could comfortably hide out in a fully furnished residence for quite some time if they knew someone connected to this profession. Just a thought.

 

[CatFancier]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=usMapSearch&missState=MA

5 teenage females from MA in 2013...2 in October 2013. (I counted quickly, I may be off a number on both...regardless it is unnerving)

Very true but not more than other areas. Try searching the Seattle area or any other major city, not to mention a state, the numbers are frightening.

I was actively posting all the NCMEC missing kids in the Information and Support forum every day and I had to stop. WAAAAAYYY too many kids disappeared, were found and disappeared the next day. I had sometimes 30-40 a day to enter in the US, many took many months or years to come home. And those are just the ones reported to missingkids, actual numbers of runaways and then throwaways are so much higher.

It would be a full time job keeping a database on them and 98% of them have no MSM at all. Maybe 1 in a 1000 have such luck to make it to national coverage. I honestly think that number is probably a liberal guess.

 

[LookingHoping]

It is startling! I knew there were a lot of missing kids before all of this, I did not have a CLUE the extent of it until these past two months.

I was looking at MA because it is so close to NH and a HUB of Northern New England. I'm betting RI isn't far off either.

 

[AnjL]

It's been a few years since I went to Canada. I thought the passport was needed to return to the US.

I'm way behind on this thread, so apologize if this has already been addressed.

Hubby and I went to canada in 2007. I'm not sure if they have relaxed their requirements since, but I suppose they could have. In 2007 we were required to have a passport to enter Canada. Children had to have a passport AND a notarized letter of consent from BOTH parents in order cross through. The Canadian border patrol agents boarded our bus and literally checked every ID and passport. They also asked us each a bunch of questions. They took one couple off our bus, I'm not sure why as they spoke French, but it seemed cooperative for both parties involved. That couple did not get to return to our bus, we went through without them.

When we came back 5 days later with a different tour group, US border officials didn't even board the bus, just waved the bus through to the US. This shocked us as we were warned about tighter border security due to 9/11. If border control is the same as it was 6 yrs ago, I'd venture to say that Abby would have a very difficult time getting into canada, but can easily get back home. JMO


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[J Block]

I saw that comment regarding 911 and the scanner... I thought to myself, NO... I'd call 911, would try not to lose sight and stay on the phone with them. Seems obvious to me, I don't know why people post info everywhere as fact and warnings because they think they learned it from a kindergarten playLOL

911 brings the most local authorities to you asap. They can call state or FBI from there, but heck even a 911 call from rural area can take a good 15-30 minutes for a response so MAKE THE CALL IF YOU THINK YOU SEE HER!

I've seen a few posts where people have stated they'd go directly to the FBI. I think with all these PCs and "Bring Home Abby" sites/signs it drills into peoples heads that they should call a certain hotline, which is, in fact, not connecting them to local LE. Calling 911 is the most obvious immediate action to take, but i think some people lose sight of this because of the extraordinay circumstances and the coverage may skew their instincts and they think they need to call a "special" number. The reason I'm bring this up now - I was going back and reading some older posts, and I saw discussions regarding contacting higher agencies. Some saying they'd bypass calling local LE for some reason. Another thing that made me think to post something this simple has to do w/ a frequent commentor on several articles pertaining to AH. This person has posted several times she saw Abby w/ a couple and that she'd bought them food. She later contacted "someone", but she didn't take immediate action. She may have not known it was Abby (if it possibly was) at that time, or knew there was a missing girl. I haven't seen her comment regarding that. I REALLY try to stay away from article comments and SM related to AH. I generally just find it to be a distraction.

If I was being Captain Obvious in my initial post ... my bad. Maybe I should've explained my reasoning behind the post first.

 

[geevee]

I agree, but LE also has to be careful in just assuming those are her fingerprints, or someon's hair or toothbrush. Not saying in this case, but many times someone reports their wife or child missing when in fact they were involved so I would think it is not that simple just to take take fingerprints etc. but to try and establish independent sources of any DNA or fingerprints. In this case, it maybe to find a test taken by Abby at school, to compare with prints at home. There also maybe many prints in her room. IF the envelope was licked; trying to find a independent source that can be absolutely established as Abby's and nobody elses. Independent "official" evidence, not assumptions is what I am trying to say, so I can understand if that does take time to completely confirm.

I tend to think that 'what' she said in the letter was probably all they really needed to know if it was Abby who wrote it or not, her mother would know but LE would want to authenticate it. Fingerprints (or dna) would just be more proof for them but I doubt her Mom needed any reassurance, Moms know their kids and whether it was hand written or typed, the things she spoke about in the letter would tell Mom if it were Abby speaking in it or not.

It's so cold here this morning, and I'm way down south, I hope wherever Abby is she's keeping warm and getting enough nourishment.

 

[LookingHoping]

If I was being Captain Obvious in my initial post ... my bad. Maybe I should've explained my reasoning behind the post first.

No, not being Capt Obvious....I was thinking more of those that were being No Commonsense Deckhands . Though, I'm likely being harsh as your statement regarding people seeing 'call the tipline' in front of them so consistently and feeling the call must go to the FBI is right in target.

 

[LookingHoping]

I agree, but LE also has to be careful in just assuming those are her fingerprints, or someon's hair or toothbrush. Not saying in this case, but many times someone reports their wife or child missing when in fact they were involved so I would think it is not that simple just to take take fingerprints etc. but to try and establish independent sources of any DNA or fingerprints. In this case, it maybe to find a test taken by Abby at school, to compare with prints at home. There also maybe many prints in her room. IF the envelope was licked; trying to find a independent source that can be absolutely established as Abby's and nobody elses. Independent "official" evidence, not assumptions is what I am trying to say, so I can understand if that does take time to completely confirm.

I cannot imagine LE making assumptions of anything.

 

[LookingHoping]

I'm way behind on this thread, so apologize if this has already been addressed.

Hubby and I went to canada in 2007. I'm not sure if they have relaxed their requirements since, but I suppose they could have. In 2007 we were required to have a passport to enter Canada. Children had to have a passport AND a notarized letter of consent from BOTH parents in order cross through. The Canadian border patrol agents boarded our bus and literally checked every ID and passport. They also asked us each a bunch of questions. They took one couple off our bus, I'm not sure why as they spoke French, but it seemed cooperative for both parties involved. That couple did not get to return to our bus, we went through without them.

When we came back 5 days later with a different tour group, US border officials didn't even board the bus, just waved the bus through to the US. This shocked us as we were warned about tighter border security due to 9/11. If border control is the same as it was 6 yrs ago, I'd venture to say that Abby would have a very difficult time getting into canada, but can easily get back home. JMO


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i had the same experience in 2012. Lots of questions asked and documentation needed heading into Canada. Quick peak at passports on the way back into the US.

 

[LookingHoping]

Not my area of expertise so I am just asking and speculating...
Given all the seasonal/vacation homes and rental properties in this area, wouldn't a real estate agent and/or property managers have keys and access to these vacant structures? If so, a person could comfortably hide out in a fully furnished residence for quite some time if they knew someone connected to this profession. Just a thought.

Not as likely to be the actual real estate agent or property manager as it would be to be a squatter. I've been in many vacant homes that had clear signs of recent activity in them. They are not difficult to break into (which is basically how banks gain access to vacant foreclosures in order to 'secure' them) especially in rural areas where neighbors are out of sight OR neighbors are gone for the winter.

 

[Bravo]

I cross the border often. Very often. Major border crossings to the smaller one's. Restrictions have not changed. I know some folk have had an easy time and some stricter. IMO they just got lucky. I never get lucky LOL. One experience does not mean rules have changed.

 

[Bravo]

it doesn't seem this guy has many assets so I really doubt he had a vehicle to transport her across the border. Unless somebody else is involved. I just don't even know what to think anymore. I just wish as everyone there would be a break. The longer this goes.......

 

[Tulessa]

The "how" she went missing is an integral part to concluding the "WHERE" she may be. Your speculation to fact is no different than our speculations. Yes. I'm going to bat for those who've been active in this thread. I take umbrage to the "amateur detective" statement. There are some posters here that have as much, or more experience in investigations than those investigators on this case. Most people here have dedicated hours upon hours doing anything they can do to do their part in helping, and have provided undying support to/for AH, her family, and everybody involved in this case. Most feel they have a strong personal attachment to this case. Some are local residents. Some, including myself, have daughters of their own. Some have teens. Others are simply emoting through natural human nature, compassion, and inherent parental instinct. Don't take our discussions for ANYTHING other than our daily thoughts, prayers (for those who believe), and any contributions we can make in bringing Abigail home!

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