GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - # 9

[gitana1]

IMO, LE seems t be concerned that she had no known money or access to food, etc...not that she is in the hands of sex traffickers. But JMO.

Well, the actual context of what they stated at the presser was this: "Either willingly, coerced..she is a 15 year old girl with no independent financial means. One in eight runaways can be forced into sexual situations after the abduction occurs." So, it looks like they are, indeed, worried that she could be in the hands of sex traffickers.

The letter makes me doubt any trafficking. Those in charge of the ring would never allow her to send a letter.

You know, that's true. I don't think traffickers would have her write such a letter either. That would be more like what a single person, inexperienced with the sex trade, hiding her out somewhere, who wants to take the heat off, would do.

 

[bessie]

Rarely does our local news carry a story on a missing persons case from so far away, but last night I saw a report on Abby. That tells me LE is making a strong effort to get the word out around the country. Good to know.

 

[Bravo]

Since we don't know the content of the letter we cant be sure Abby wrote the letter by her own free will. IMO.

 

[Mom24]

Well, the actual context of what they stated at the presser was this: "Either willingly, coerced..she is a 15 year old girl with no independent financial means. One in eight runaways can be forced into sexual situations after the abduction occurs." So, it looks like they are, indeed, worried that she could be in the hands of sex traffickers.



You know, that's true. I don't think traffickers would have her write such a letter either. That would be more like what a single person, inexperienced with the sex trade, hiding her out somewhere, who wants to take the heat off, would do.

"forced into sexual situations" could be a myriad of things. There's a lot of "sexual situations" that aren't sex trafficking. I'm not sold, no pun intended, on that being the meaning behind "sexual situation". I would be more worried that this letter was sent to make her look like a runaway, and that would mean she's at someone's mercy. Someone was brazen enough to let her write a letter that would give away her location. I think she may be "hiding in plain sight" so to speak. I think whoever has AH knows her mother has a PO Box and knows that she checks it infrequently. Again, this points to someone the family knows, which is usually the case. They knew the letter wouldn't be found immediately, they knew it would take time to authenticate it (pointing to someone who not only knows the family but also is involved in the investigation or is aware of investigative techniques) and that would give them time to move from where the letter was sent and be hard to track. If I put a letter in the mail today it would most likely reach the recipient within 2 days. In two days, they could find out a lot more info about me than they could 2 weeks or a month after I dropped the letter off. It would also give me time to get back home and have no one be the wiser. Let's face it, anyone's husband could go to work for the day, travel 4 or 5 hours to a post office box somewhere in podunk, deposit a letter and be back in time for supper and no one would know.
This is all opinion, but I just feel in my gut that someone ZH knows has her daughter, if she's still alive. Right now all we really know was that sometime before 10/23, the day the letter was mailed, AH was alive. The letter could have been written at any time between the time she disappeared and the day it was sent. I wouldn't put too much stock in the date on the letter, AH could have been forced to write it the day she disappeared and the person who has her dated it 10/22. JMO

 

[rizzo0904]

Mom24...I agree. IMO AH has to be with an adult. I just don't see how a 15 year old can stay off the grid for so long. The person with her has to know the family...has to know there was a PO Box instead of just a regular home mailing address.

 

[Dee10]

IIRC when NG covered the story a number of days after Abby went missing, there were no guests except for a HLN reporter. It will be interesting IMO if we see a show next week with guests this time. One can hope right?

 

[Mom24]

She's 15, for God's sake, not 25. Even a 18 year old would find it hard to live off the grid. She can't work, she doesn't the ability to have socked thousands of dollars away and no car. Remember where we were at at 15, I had a babysitting job that gave me a little money, but I certainly wouldn't have had enough to sustain me for any length of time. OH and she had a shoulder bag with her, how much clothing could someone fit into that? Gloves, mittens, hats, socks, tampons, shampoo, conditioner, etc. I remember taking my teens to spend the night at friends' homes and nearly having to rent a uhaul for all the stuff they needed - and I'm talking one night! You're leaving for the rest of your life and you don't take more than a shoulderbag full of stuff?
The only thing suspect is why she was walking when she was supposed to be riding the bus, and that again would be explained by the theory that she met with someone she knew. Someone who was able to talk her into a "secret" meeting, and given that it was so close to her birthday I'm sure it was under the auspices that it was a surprise gift of some sort. It's my opinion that Mom may have been more than a little overprotective of her daughter (first generation american's parents usually are) and I'm sure she made sure AH took the bus home. So for AH to disobey her mother this person had to be someone she could trust wouldn't tell her mother she had disobeyed and someone she would never have felt uncomfortable around. In my opinion they could have even persuaded her to meet them by saying "you're mom won't care if you're with me" or "if she finds out, we'll just tell her it was my idea".

 

[Mom24]

Too tired to go and find it, but the night before the presser, didn't LE make a comment about info they have now that they should have had sooner? Was that solely in reference to the delay in picking up the mail from the POBox? Or is it in reference to something else? ZH gave them the letter the day she received it.

I believe the comment LE made about info they have now that they should have had sooner was in reference to the tips they've been getting, not the letter AH wrote.

 

[Annie1004]

I don't think it is either, but having once been a 14 year old girl I was 150% sure I was going to marry my bf at the time.. Same with my girl friends. Every new relationship was the love of their life. I think that's what OP meant.


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Agreed, except this came from the BF's father specifically, not the poster nor AH's friends and family.

 

[cluciano63]

Her FB shows she is at least very close with the boy.

 

[Steleheart]

Well, the actual context of what they stated at the presser was this: "Either willingly, coerced..she is a 15 year old girl with no independent financial means. One in eight runaways can be forced into sexual situations after the abduction occurs." So, it looks like they are, indeed, worried that she could be in the hands of sex traffickers.



You know, that's true. I don't think traffickers would have her write such a letter either. That would be more like what a single person, inexperienced with the sex trade, hiding her out somewhere, who wants to take the heat off, would do.

"Forced into sexual situations" can mean several things. Jaycee Dugard and others like her were forced into sexual situations so I'm not real strong on the trafficking theory, I lean more toward the lone, middle aged experienced male who has been and is still 'grooming' her with promises, needs and empathy before he embarks on mental coercion and control, etc.
With the kind of planing that went into this - no trail no clues, no indication, no leaks, likely using a burner phone/ anonymous email, establishing a pattern and leaving a track for the dogs, etc This ain't his first rodeo.

I realize this is all speculation and just my own opinion.

 

[Cardinal47]

Lets be honest. We don't have to be the FBI to know a single 15 year old out on the streets IS IN DANGER.

With that said Abby was able to write a letter home to mother 14 days into this adventure.

So that tells me she WAS alive and she WAS eating and she had money to buy a stamp and mail a letter.

Somebody sympathetic to Abby's situation, whatever that might be, has her and the are both so darn scared of consequences they are not coming forward and that makes all of this quite explosive.

LE needs to assure them no charges will be filed and Abby will be welcomed with open arms.

So far they have not done that and I am wondering why???

MOO

 

[Mom24]

This is what Kieran Ramsey said in regards to not having received information sooner:
IT SEEMS RECENTLY WE'VE GOTTEN SOME MORE INFORMATION AND TIPS THAT SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY COME IN, YOU KNOW, DAYS AFTER THE INVESTIGATION STARTED

Read more: http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/Ra.../23355284/-/b7a1xa/-/index.html#ixzz2mqMfuEbd

And Jane Young said this:
AND AS THE CHIEF INDICATED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION IN THE RECENT PAST THAT WE ASK OURSELVES WHY DIDN'T WE HEAR THAT TWO OR THREE DAYS AFTER.

Read more: http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/Ra.../23355284/-/b7a1xa/-/index.html#ixzz2mqO10jyH

I think it's interesting that the two places they specifically look for AH are grocery stores and churches.

 

[Steleheart]

"forced into sexual situations" could be a myriad of things. There's a lot of "sexual situations" that aren't sex trafficking. I'm not sold, no pun intended, on that being the meaning behind "sexual situation".

RSBM; You beat me to the punch - great minds?

 

[Cardinal47]

Since we don't know the content of the letter we cant be sure Abby wrote the letter by her own free will. IMO.

And we can only guess at the letter's content.

Was it bashing mom for things Abby was angry about? Was it I'm scared and want to come home.

We just don't know. The letter was a couple of weeks into this and would show her state of mind back then.

Unfortunately we have no idea of her condition right now or if she left where she might have been safe enough to write a letter and is now on the move.

LE does have a lot to be worried about. Over 8 weeks gone from home. She could now be anywhere with anybody. Sigh.

MOO

 

[bessie]

Well, the actual context of what they stated at the presser was this: "Either willingly, coerced..she is a 15 year old girl with no independent financial means. One in eight runaways can be forced into sexual situations after the abduction occurs." So, it looks like they are, indeed, worried that she could be in the hands of sex traffickers.

That's been my impression almost from the very beginning based on the way LE has handled the case, and the information (non-information) that's been released. If I had any doubt before, the message was loud and clear yesterday. IMO, anyway.

You know, that's true. I don't think traffickers would have her write such a letter either. That would be more like what a single person, inexperienced with the sex trade, hiding her out somewhere, who wants to take the heat off, would do.

I have to disagree, gitana. "Traffickers" comprise a range of criminals, from the high level, international sex ring, to an operation involving one or two lone, exploitative miscreants. In some cases of organized trafficking, victims are told to contact family to say they are "safe". Let me see if I find a link.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think LE thinks Abby has access to a TV and/or a computer because how else would she read the letter that her mother wrote for her? Or what about the letter that her father wrote on FB for her? And if she's able to surf the net, I'm skeptical she's being held against her will. As for why LE is still involved in a case of a runaway, I'm not sure.

 

[Dee10]

Too tired to go and find it, but the night before the presser, didn't LE make a comment about info they have now that they should have had sooner? Was that solely in reference to the delay in picking up the mail from the POBox? Or is it in reference to something else? ZH gave them the letter the day she received it.

I remember that as well Rizzo and I share your questions regarding that.

I also remember early in the case a similar cryptic message from LE, something to the effect that someone is not coming forward that should be or we have received info. that we should have received a week ago. Anyone remember that? I took it as a friend (in some form), something LE knew that this person knew, but they weren't co-operating. That is why I had a hopeful believe that LE had a better idea of who or what maybe happening. Maybe they do & there is no proof, but it is has been too long...IMO.

 

[AM007]

Any ideas on location of post mark?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Lets be honest. We don't have to be the FBI to know a single 15 year old out on the streets IS IN DANGER.

With that said Abby was able to write a letter home to mother 14 days into this adventure.

So that tells me she WAS alive and she WAS eating and she had money to buy a stamp and mail a letter.

Somebody sympathetic to Abby's situation, whatever that might be, has her and the are both so darn scared of consequences they are not coming forward and that makes all of this quite explosive.

LE needs to assure them no charges will be filed and Abby will be welcomed with open arms.

So far they have not done that and I am wondering why???

MOO

Maybe LE does plan on charging Abby, or making her pay the cost of the investigation? I don't think they would be happy if they thought for weeks that she was abducted, and then find out she's actually staying away voluntarily.