GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - # 9

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  • #61
"forced into sexual situations" could be a myriad of things. There's a lot of "sexual situations" that aren't sex trafficking. I'm not sold, no pun intended, on that being the meaning behind "sexual situation".

RSBM; You beat me to the punch - great minds?

Oh trust me, you don't want to be associated with this old addled head. But yes, I'm not convinced AH fits the target for a sex ring. It stands to reason if a group like that had taken her, with all the press coverage they would have quickly disposed of her. I'm leaning more toward someone who thinks they are saving her from an overprotective, mean mom and an uncaring Dad. Unfortunately, most pedophiles love children, they honestly believe what is happening is consensual and that they aren't harming the child. That's why they use terminology like "it's our special secret", they honestly believe it is a special thing and that the child is on board. The problem becomes when someone like this takes a child, the child has no idea the adult is looking at them "that way" and when you've got a child who has no other means than to rely on the person that took them, they can be in danger if they don't go along with the program. And the person who took them may have intentions other than just giving them safe haven, their intentions may be of a more sexual nature. I also agree that this isn't this person's first rodeo. They knew enough to disable her phone or they coerced her into doing it so they couldn't be tracked. I think the letter was sent to make her look like a runaway, get people disinterested. Castro did the same with his prisoners. Makes you see the whole post on the Conway Daily Sun about the supposed previous run away attempt in a whole new light.
 
  • #62
I don't think it is either, but having once been a 14 year old girl I was 150% sure I was going to marry my bf at the time.. Same with my girl friends. Every new relationship was the love of their life. I think that's what OP meant.


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I think you're quite right Jay3bear - and welcome to WS! :greetings:
 
  • #63
This is what Kieran Ramsey said in regards to not having received information sooner:
IT SEEMS RECENTLY WE'VE GOTTEN SOME MORE INFORMATION AND TIPS THAT SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY COME IN, YOU KNOW, DAYS AFTER THE INVESTIGATION STARTED

Read more: http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/Ra.../23355284/-/b7a1xa/-/index.html#ixzz2mqMfuEbd

And Jane Young said this:
AND AS THE CHIEF INDICATED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION IN THE RECENT PAST THAT WE ASK OURSELVES WHY DIDN'T WE HEAR THAT TWO OR THREE DAYS AFTER.

Read more: http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/Ra.../23355284/-/b7a1xa/-/index.html#ixzz2mqO10jyH

I think it's interesting that the two places they specifically look for AH are grocery stores and churches.

LE has certainly not shown me much during this investigation. Those that are praising this bunch forget...NO Abby...NO results...

I think they have failed miserably in this investigation.

I mean really a 15 year old girl playing with all of these people. Unheard of.

They are keeping this investigation a secret and they have good reason to do that. If the taxpayers were to know all that really went on I think this group would be out on their ears!

You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time! Abraham Lincoln

MOO
 
  • #64
Any ideas on location of post mark?

Nope another secret of this case! Anybody's guess.

With that said this letter was written about two weeks into this missing Abby and we are now out eight weeks.

A lot can happen in six weeks...just saying.
 
  • #65
I wasn't able to listen to the PC on Friday. Does anyone know or could point me in the direction of an official press release of it. I have read a number of media versions that focus on different aspects or maybe contradict the significance etc. I would much rather read statements directly from LE and in the order given. TIA if this is available.

Ashley426 transcribed the press conference:

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We continue to ask the public for information. It seems recently we have gotten some more information and tips that should have come in days within the investigation start. Certainly it is our hope that Abby will be coming home soon. We're asking Abby to reach out to her mother, her sister, or any law enforcement agency, in the manner she reached out previously. We're releasing some photos of a necklace and a pocketbook that may be in Abby's possession. Reach out to us if you know anyone who has recently move anywhere with these things (paraphrased)

Letter written on 10/22, postmarked on 10/23, received 11/06. Written by Abby to her mother. We have had it in custody since 11/06. LE had to take every possible step to verify it's authenticity. We believe it was written by Abby and sent to her mother. One of the most tangible leads, wanted to take every step needed to find Abby. We have not been successful, but we are not giving up. Why would you spend all these resources on a runaway? If this were your child, as it is Zenya's, what would you want? We have been able to confirm she has no source of income. Other than that letter, there has been no source of contact. She is not out there alone. We are going to continue the search for Abby, as Zenya has asked us to do. If she hears this, if she's able to see this, please contact. If someone has Abby, we implore you to make that contact. If it's a citizen that has her, it is not a good thing, please reunite with her family. We will continue this investigation as long as we need to. We are not going to release the letter. We have thought long and hard, we are concerned that letter may generate letters from someone other than Abby that might lead us where we do not want to go.

Kieran Ramsey, FBI: Volunteers, LE, community have done everything possible to help us bring this 15 year old girl home. Is this a runaway, missing persons case? Our initial indications when Abby went missing were certainly consistent with an abduction. Either willingly, coerced..she is a 15 year old girl with no independent financial means. One in eight runaways can be forced into sexual situations after the abduction occurs. As the investigation proceeded, it showed us her public life, her private life, who Abby is, who her family is. When we received this letter, it was unprecedented. We have not seen this in previous investigation and it gave us hope. Is Abby safe? It continues to be our biggest concern. Although she may have left willingly, someone may have coerced her. We are mindful of incidents around the country where we have had miraculous reunions with their families. We continue to hope that with all the effort of LE, the community, the media who continue to put the story out there..thank you.

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Where is it postmarked from? Not disclosing to not jeopardize.
Reaching out for help? Demands? Describing the tone that is one that Abby would have used.
How long was the letter? Pleading for help or saying I'm okay, don't worry about me? She's 15, we're worried about her. It's our job as LE. Her mother is worried. Not releasing any contents of the letter as it is a critical piece of evidence. Do not contact Zenya and ask these questions, direct them to LE. She has received a lot of calls, and while we appreciate it, it could be an impediment in the investigation.
Has the letter changed the direction of the investigation? The letter was a piece of evidence. We sent it out for expert analysis. It gave us the focus we were looking for and have been asking for. As much as you can keep this story out there, we will take information and follow through.
Dedicating resources to the geographic locations to where it was written..doesn't that hinder investigation so people might be aware she was there? That's why we released the letter. We're hoping it will receive national attention. Look everywhere..is there someone you haven't seen there before? Elizabeth Smart was seen in a library, we need your help and the public's help..we have thought about what we released. (missed part of it--buffering) When we get those calls, these gentlemen follow up.
One in eight young women may be victims of sexual exploitation, is this a problem in New England or is there any indications of that? I wouldn't say it's in NE, but all over the country..one child is too many. One in eight is a disturbing fact. Abby is certainly at risk, no financial means. Doesn't plague us necessarily, but it is a problem all over the country.
Has Abby run away before? This is not a characteristic she has shown before.
Since the wrote a letter, does this mean she might be alright? It does not give us a lot of comfort. It didn't come to LE for a number of days. I'd like to say it does, but it doesn't.
Why was it postdated and received so much later? Why 13 days? I'm not going to answer that.
Different date for written, postmarked, and received?
Do you believe she's still in NH? This investigation is wide open.
Are these items definitely what she had when she went missing? The necklace was something she wore regularly and the purse was something she might have had when she went missing.
Necklace any sentimental value? Certainly, not sure if it's her birthstone..verified she had that type of necklace.
Runaway? Abduction? Still classifying as missing persons, we have grave concerns for her safety. She was not last seen in winter clothes, she needs food, shelter, clothing.
Thank you for keeping this story alive, this is what her mother and sister need.

I did the best I could transcribing! Hope Abby is found soon...
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  • #66
Deleted - delayed repeated post...computer acting up ~ sorry.
 
  • #67
"Forced into sexual situations" can mean several things. Jaycee Dugard and others like her were forced into sexual situations so I'm not real strong on the trafficking theory, I lean more toward the lone, middle aged experienced male who has been and is still 'grooming' her with promises, needs and empathy before he embarks on mental coercion and control, etc.
With the kind of planing that went into this - no trail no clues, no indication, no leaks, likely using a burner phone/ anonymous email, establishing a pattern and leaving a track for the dogs, etc This ain't his first rodeo.


I realize this is all speculation and just my own opinion.
(rbbm)

This same description applies to many sex traffickers. The only difference is whether or not the victim is coerced or forced into performing a "commercial act". I think you're saying you don't believe that ("commercial act")to be the case, and you could be right.
 
  • #68
The letter makes me doubt any trafficking. Those in charge of the ring would never allow her to send a letter.

You may be giving these guys too much credit. I doubt they're given an IQ test before coming aboard.


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  • #69
I'm starting to believe that the purported Errol, NH, sighting of AH might have been a valid one, after all. Ideas?
 
  • #70
(rbbm)

This same description applies to many sex traffickers. The only difference is whether or not the victim is coerced or forced into performing a "commercial act". I think you're saying you don't believe that ("commercial act")to be the case, and you could be right.

Just did a quick search regarding writing letters to parents and missing children. I did find one thing that made me totally sick, a young girl who had a friend in her high school that kept her captive in his house for three days while he sold her to people for sexual purposes. We've never even thought of an upperclassman who might have been able to coerce her into meeting him. I also heard wind years ago of a girl in the school I was working in attempting to recruit girls to meet men she had connected with out of state. I never thought of that as "sex trafficking" but I'm understanding that it's not just international sex trade.
 
  • #71
I'm starting to believe that the purported Errol, NH, sighting of AH might have been a valid one, after all. Ideas?

Sorry I am not familiar with NH. Would that be the one Ron M reported from the parking lot at LLCote?
 
  • #72
Trafficking...If I ran a ring, I would look for girls with little human attachment. Girls that no one would go looking for. Girls that are already on the streets or have no family support system. AH was actively going to school, with a boyfriend, friends, a sister, a family who is going to search for her. Why would a sex ring take that risk? I can see a solo perv taking her, making her film movies to sell, pay per view online, etc. But not a big sex ring that will bust open when they find her. Too risky.

Good point. Maybe Abby turned out to be a bad pick.

Maybe, at first glance, she looked to have little human attachment. If she was communicating with a stranger online, that signals boundary issues, a huge green light for a predator. Maybe she told him her parents were estranged and she had little contact with her dad. Maybe she told him her mom worked full time, had a boyfriend and didn't have time for her. Maybe she told him she had one sister who was away at school. She wasn't involved in organized sports or school activities. Maybe she told him she had experimented with drugs and alcohol. He could have feigned empathy, as any good sociopath could do, and she could have confided in him that she had been abused as a kid, had previously runway to relatives in another state, cuts her arms when she feels overwhelmed by her emotions, etc. Maybe she confided in him that she wanted to be rich and famous some day- a model, an actress, etc.

How was he to know a teen Latina, who very well could have run away, would get national media coverage? Most don't.

Pure speculation...I hope she's hiding out in a friend's vacation home, watching TV by a warm fire.


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  • #73
Thank you Ashley426 for transcribing the press conference. I have not watched it, only read your transcription. LE referenced Abby as having no financial means THREE times during the conference.

“We have been able to confirm she has no source of income.”

“…she is a 15 year old girl with no independent financial means.”

…”Abby is certainly at risk, no financial means.”

It seems like a strong focal point when references are said three times during one short press conference regarding Abby’s current “confirmed” financial status.

“Look everywhere..is there someone you haven't seen there before? Elizabeth Smart was seen in a library”

…”we have grave concerns for her safety. She was not last seen in winter clothes, she needs food, shelter, clothing.”

The reference to Elizabeth Smart is interesting to me as well as ending the conference with saying Abby “Needs food, shelter, and clothing” makes me believe that LE surely knows more about the circumstances of Abby’s current state of being (or maybe "current" meaning perhaps something she wrote in the letter?) than they are releasing.

Perhaps her letter referenced her lack of finances or a need for shelter, food, and clothing? These statements to me seem very specific for LE to make, yet elusive at the same time and almost out of context at this presser unless they are referencing to something that they KNOW as fact to be true. I have always been shocked at how quickly LE/FBI was in the mix of this case of a 15 year old. I think there is definitely “more to the story” that is being kept in the wraps.

Praying for Abby and those that love her.
 
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Wow, this case has taken a turn I didn't see coming. I know dad publicly addressed her and now it makes more sense. I can only hope she is well and will return soon but I am afraid some freak is holding her. May this case be broken wide open!
 
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(rbbm)

This same description applies to many sex traffickers. The only difference is whether or not the victim is coerced or forced into performing a "commercial act". I think you're saying you don't believe that ("commercial act")to be the case, and you could be right.

Understood. I also think that the trafficking angle would involve a larger more organized group who would have far better success grooming a forgotten or hopeless/homeless runaway no one seems to care about. With Abby getting so much attention it is too risky IMO.
 
  • #78
Yes. I believe it was. I think she was with a pimp (the man) and a "bottom" (the other young girl).

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p...ent-bulletin/march_2011/human_sex_trafficking

I hope I'm wrong.


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If that were so...why would the three of them be sharing at picnic table at LLCote?

Wouldn't they be on the move and wouldn't they be hiding Miss Abby from the public knowing there was a five alarm fire going on from her missing the day before?

In conclusion...I am skeptical of that sighting.

MOO
 
  • #79
Many of you think this is a case of some lone wolf in the NH woods, a perv, has Abby. If this is the case, maybe she can outwit him and free herself. I hope so.

If that's the case, however, why does LE want NATIONAL media attention for the case?

I think the letter was postmarked from another state, possibly a good distance from NH, lending credibility to the sex trafficking theory.


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  • #80
If that were so...why would the three of them be sharing at picnic table at LLCote?

Wouldn't they be on the move and wouldn't they be hiding Miss Abby from the public knowing there was a five alarm fire going on from her missing the day before?

In conclusion...I am skeptical of that sighting.

MOO

Hiding in plain sight?

Certain the presence of another young woman would throw people off? (I'd be looking for lone runaway Abby or two people- Abby and a pervy man).


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