NH NH/CA - Robert Evans, suspected SK, Allenstown, 1981-2000's

[allmybecsloveme]

Someone that Knew Bob Evans AKA "Gordon Jenson" in the mid-80's Speaks Out
http://www.omaha.com/news/nation/wo...cle_007c1332-df8f-54df-8ede-b8150ba8ce7a.html

I find this interesting. Was this just to stay in character? Or did he actually mourn Denise's death even though he killed her? This leads me to wonder if Evans ever have a psychological evaluation in prison? Could he have Schizophrenia or some other mental disorder. I say schizophrenia because I know sometimes when untreated, someone with the illness can be a danger to themselves and other people. Evans is said to be an alcoholic, which is especially dangerous to mix with an untreated mental illness.

This part is heartbreaking...Maybe he lived with the bear brook victims like this? I have theorized they were impoverished.

I'm so glad that in the unthinkable hell she likely experienced while with Evans, Lisa had someone like Mrs. Decker. The part where she would call her grandma is so sweet!

Manipulation tactics. I'm sure he was extremely intelligent, as disgusting as that is to say.

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[aThousandYearsWide]

There seems to be a few people coming forward about their experiences with the suspect, which is a good thing, because I think each holds a piece of the puzzle that will eventually lead to who he really was. I suspect there's a kernel of truth in what he told everyone here and there.
The one person who I think probably holds the most valuable information as far as the four victims are concerned, would be the owner of the mill/Allenstown property where the barrels were found.

I completely agree. He is known to have worked in the mill since 1977 to 1981. One of his co-workers may have heard him talk about "Elizabeth", maybe even remembering him acting distraught over "his wife leaving him and taking the kids".

 

[Cafegirl]

And how did it come about that Dawn became Lisa and Denise became Donna? What is the probability that BE had another daughter whose name was Lisa Marie and/or a wife/girlfriend whose name was Donna?

Nice find!I Google's Denise laporte in California,and for some reason ARROYO GRANDE JANE DOE popped up.looking into that,doe was found in 1980,of BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA TO HEAD.her killer had cleaned her body,and she was wrapped in a,shower curtain..could this be the middle aged chikds mother?oh,she had a GAP between front teeth

 

[Alleykins]

I completely agree. He is known to have worked in the mill since 1977 to 1981. One of his co-workers may have heard him talk about "Elizabeth", maybe even remembering him acting distraught over "his wife leaving him and taking the kids".

I'm thinking they need to go back and talk to anyone who may have been part of the mill shut down during that time, if they haven't already. It sounds like they spoke to the mill/land owner already. The Oakhill research team, who run the Mystery in Allenstown blog, have some aerial photos of where the barrels were found, and one that shows the second barrel in the woods in 1988, 12 years before it was discovered. The land was clear cut in 1974, so it hadn't grown up much when the first barrel was found.

 

[Alleykins]

Nice find!I Google's Denise laporte in California,and for some reason ARROYO GRANDE JANE DOE popped up.looking into that,doe was found in 1980,of BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA TO HEAD.her killer had cleaned her body,and she was wrapped in a,shower curtain..could this be the middle aged chikds mother?oh,she had a GAP between front teeth

If it were related, they would have matched already. CODIS compares unidentified remains to each other, and both AGJD and the middle child have profiles in CODIS. I know this because I asked a NamUs rep if they compare UP dna profiles, and she said they do, just like they compare MPs to UPs. I also know both are in CODIS because of submissions I've made in the past about both cases.

 

[proctorelites]

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This does not look like the pic they have up in her NAMUS case. She looks completely different to me. Is this Denise and Bob Evans?

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[Cafegirl]

If it were related, they would have matched already. CODIS compares unidentified remains to each other, and both AGJD and the middle child have profiles in CODIS. I know this because I asked a NamUs rep if they compare UP dna profiles, and she said they do, just like they compare MPs to UPs. I also know both are in CODIS because of submissions I've made in the past about both cases.

Actually,ive spoken to the NAMUS administrator,as well as ADMIN from Doe Network.they do not rule out potential matches just because they both have DNA in the system.its a difficult thing to understand ,but certain matches may require certain DNA,like paternal needed she only maternal submitted and so forth.if they get a reasonable match,they contact LE,and,request further samples.so its possible that a doe and another match could be in the system,but it may not be a hit because perhaps they needed a,paternal sample,etc

 

[Cafegirl]

This does not look like the pic they have up in her NAMUS case. She looks completely different to me. Is this Denise and Bob Evans?

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Right!!who the heck is this?doesn't look like either to me

 

[Suglo]

This does not look like the pic they have up in her NAMUS case. She looks completely different to me. Is this Denise and Bob Evans?

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No. @sonz82 had posted a potential match for Bob Evans with another woman in the post I linked below but couldn't post the picture so I did it for them.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...llenstown-1981-2000-s&p=13103155#post13103155

 

[IllinoisMissing]

Right!!who the heck is this?doesn't look like either to me

It is not either of them. Not sure, but the OP said it was Mary ??? and someone she thought was similar to Bob.

I don't think it's relevant.

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[Cafegirl]

According to the time line, they must have narrowed down the time of death of the four victims significantly.
I'm thinking it had to be before the three left NH in 1981.
The issue I have is that the first barrel hardly looks like it was in the woods exposed to the elements that long; I got two similar barrels around March of last year and they don't look that good for being outside for almost a year, and I live in the same climate.
I'm wondering if they were killed, put in the barrels and stored somewhere indoors for a period of time, and then someone else moved them to the property, not knowing what was inside.
Also, the person he worked for in NH must have pay records for the work he did at the mill, narrowing down a time frame, too.
Since Bob worked there during the late 70s, and there was a chance the four were still alive, did none of his coworkers or his boss ever see them?
I also find it difficult to believe that the owner of the mill/land didn't recognize anything about the killing, like the barrels that may have come from his own mill, and put two and two together when Bob disappeared and then bodies are found on his property?

I agree with you.but I just wonder why after killing the four,did he stick around NH?he certainly traveled alot afterwards.but if he had did it after Nov 1981 when Denise went missing,when he's tracked to many states after that ,it wouldn't make sense for him for him to return to NH,especially with denises daughter,who we know he had with him until 1986.so the only thing that makes sense is he killed the four before 1981.

 

[Cafegirl]

bbm - I am guessing that he ditched Lisa within a few months of being busted for DUI with Lisa in the car because at time of arrest, LE would have called social services and social services would have been in there nosing around and asking for birth certificates, doing home visits etc. He stalled that nosing around by having Lisa stay with friends for a bit. I'd really like to know if LE did call childrens' services and if any of their workers had contact with him. In other words, he had a darn good reason for ditching Lisa when he did. The abuse, kidnapping, murder, all could have been discovered unless he ditched her and disappeared.

isn't it this the dui that he had Lisa with him?

 

[Cafegirl]

its certainly possible. but I don't think she was alive that long. and orange county is about 7 hours away from the Bay Area and the delta.

I wonder if he killed Denise shortly after leaving NH,how did he have the patience to take care of a,baby alone?

 

[Alleykins]

I agree with you.but I just wonder why after killing the four,did he stick around NH?he certainly traveled alot afterwards.but if he had did it after Nov 1981 when Denise went missing,when he's tracked to many states after that ,it wouldn't make sense for him for him to return to NH,especially with denises daughter,who we know he had with him until 1986.so the only thing that makes sense is he killed the four before 1981.

I agree, it wouldn't make sense for him to return to NH once he left, especially with Denise's daughter. So I believe that the victims were killed sometime before 1981, possibly up to the time right before they left.
I'm thinking he might not have stuck around NH after he killed them, that he killed them shortly before they left, and could have been the reason why they left.
I wonder if he left before the mills shut down was completed?
The AG had a good point, though-that it wouldn't make sense for him to kill Denise before leaving NH, leaving him with the sole care of an infant. I suppose it's possible, though. I'm glad they're heading back out to the property to take another look for more clues.
I wonder what, if anything, was left behind when Bob, Denise and the baby left, and what became of it (if there was stuff left behind).

 

[Cafegirl]

Whoa! Never even thought of that! If they got DNA from Evans to exclude Lisa as his daughter (they finally did this in 2003) wouldn't they had tested "Donna" if she was mentioned as the someone who claimed to be her mother in the newspaper clipping posted by Piknik?

The speculation that Donna may be Denise is interesting. Maybe Evans sucked her into his fugitive life. Maybe they did leave because of financial difficulties and he talked her into consuming a new identity elsewhere?

Isn't it possible that the legal notice only posted all of the possible names for Lisa mom,because legally,they had to,and those are the names bob told people?

 

[dotr]

Wonder if he was responsible for this murder?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/239ufon.html

rbbm.

Personal Items:

"Irish Toast" towel: This item was manufactured in Ireland, exported to Toronto, Ontario and distributed to stores in Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal. They were sold at $1.39 (Canadian) each and had been stocked in stores for some time. The towel had Irish Gaelic printing on it, spelling out a traditional Irish toast. A blue and gray necktie. A red and white necktie. A decorative necktie known as a 'Canadian Tie' and bearing three Canadian emblems on a navy blue background. The necktie was manufactured in Montreal and had been sold by various stores in the province of Quebec and in the eastern part of Ontario. 2 fringed green cloths: each 70 inches long and 48 inches in width. Flat black plastic-covered wire: This was the typical wire used in cable television hook-ups. The plastic wire had a slight splattering of gray paint. Subsequent investigation revealed that the cable was manufactured in Renfrew, Ontario and distributed in the Ottawa, Hull, Montreal and Brockville areas. [h=2]Circumstances of Discovery[/h] On the morning of May 3, 1975, this victim was located floating face down in the Nation River about 100 yards from the Highway 417 bridge. The Nation River is west of Casselman, Ontario and just thirty five miles east of Ottawa.
After recovering the body, it was discovered that the victim's wrists were bound together in front using a man's necktie. Two other neckties had been used to secure the ankles.
The victim's head was wrapped in 2 fringed green cloths. Upon removal of the cloths, investigators found that a kitchen towel had been knotted in the back to form a ligature around her neck. A television cable wire had also been wrapped around the victim's neck, over top of the kitchen towel.

 

[Cafegirl]

Wonder if he was responsible for this murder?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/239ufon.html

rbbm.

That's not really Evans M.O....also,some news reports are saying he lived in QUEBEC,CALIFORNIA..are people getting this mixed up?or was he in Canada?

 

[dotr]

That's not really Evans M.O....also,some news reports are saying he lived in QUEBEC,CALIFORNIA..are people getting this mixed up?or was he in Canada?

Apparently he was in Quebec, Canada which is very close to NH.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=new+...wOg6KOIAw#q=new+hampshire+to++montreal+quebec

http://www.nh1.com/news/this-is-where-the-ag-knows-or-thinks-nh-serial-killer-bob-evans-was-living/

[h=1]This is where the AG knows or thinks NH serial killer Bob Evans was living[/h]

Based off of documents that Evans has given in the past, the NH AG's office announced that he may have stayed in other locations across the United States as well as Canada

Quebec, Canada - Late 1970s

 

[Alleykins]

Did they say where in Quebec? When I think of it, I think of Quebec city usually.
And, for someone who didn't seem to have a lot of money, this guy sure traveled a lot.
(and from other accounts, drank a lot, too)

 

[Cafegirl]

I have been killing myself with this case for years.and with these new developments,i like everyone else probably,have more questions.after analyzing timelines,etc,IMO and just mine!I feel like he had the middle child in the isotype area.he killed the mother,took the baby,and moved to NH,where he met"Elizabeth",who signed for the letter in 1980,and had two children of her own.sometime before Nov 1981,he killed them all in a frenzy.he then met Denise and her daughter,and they hit the road.eventually,killed Denise.I'm beginning to believe Elizabeth,exisisted,and is woman in barrel.because not too long after she signed letter,Denise appeared in picture.