NH NH/CA - Terry Peder Rasmussen, suspected SK, Allenstown, 1981-2000's - #2

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  • #61
I don't have FB, which in a way handicaps me with these things! I'm one of those people that constantly checks the Charley Project or Doe Network resolved pages.

I found an article that clears if he was ever reported missing up -> http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...-missing-33-years-st-0219-20170217-story.html

It was a case of a family moving and the teen being unhappy in the new place. They moved from TN to IL, and when he was unhappy there they allowed him to move back to Memphis to live with a family friend, where he eventually ran away. There was a missing persons report in Memphis, but not in IL where his family lived.

Exactly right. See my post just above. The article I linked to (announcing possible Streamwood connection in Feb 2015) has a fellow middle school classmate make a series of comments: "I know this guy." "Did you report it?" "Yes." ...and then a bit later he gives his name and family circumstances which match up perfectly with what we now know. Again this is about 2 years ago. The classmate would seem to be a genuine key to solving. Also key is the missing children group which is bringing new attention to these cases in the age of better DNA testing and social media awareness potential. Finally, the quality of the rendering (from the skeletal remains) - both at the time (1984) and the updated version (2013 I believe) - were such that it enabled the visual recognition by a long-ago friend. Amazing.
 
  • #62
This resolution just goes to show how important community involvement is when solving some of these long term missing persons cases.
 
  • #63
Excellent article, clarifies a lot. Thank you! It appears he wasn't identified by DNA but by skeletal & dental comparison, is that how it sounded to you? I'm so glad he got his name back.


I suspect the visual identification from the 2015 article established the lead, and the dental records presumably confirmed the connection to the satisfaction of LE.
 
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Exactly right. See my post just above. The article I linked to (announcing possible Streamwood connection in Feb 2015) has a fellow middle school classmate make a series of comments: "I know this guy." "Did you report it?" "Yes." ...and then a bit later he gives his name and family circumstances which match up perfectly with what we now know. Again this is about 2 years ago. The classmate would seem to be a genuine key to solving. Also key is the missing children group which is bringing new attention to these cases in the age of better DNA testing and social media awareness potential. Finally, the quality of the rendering (from the skeletal remains) - both at the time (1984) and the updated version (2013 I believe) - were such that it enabled the visual recognition by a long-ago friend. Amazing.

The whole story is just incredible! The timing was crazy since I use his case in contrast to Evans and find out his case was resolved a week before! I've been aware of his case for years since I'm from NC. Just amazing.
 
  • #66
Had found interest in this MP, for the sheer fact the person was advertising for a babysitter. A single man working man he would need a babysitter. Also interesting the name Marshall ..... Could it be connected to Floyd.? LE may have a potential suspect whom knows

Franklin Floyd kidnapped Suzanne Sevakis in May 1975, and had married Suzanne's mom around May 1974. He was in NC and possibly TX in 1974.

I have wondered myself if Evans was involved in missing babysitters. Especially during the time he had Lisa. With Margaret Fox's case being in 1974 and Evans whereabouts being unknown before 1977...It gives me the heebie jeebies that Evans could have more children!

One thing I found interesting with Floyd is how he kidnapped his step-daughter and authorities refused to file a missing persons report because he was the child's step-father. Wrong on so many levels especially since he never legally adopted his step-children. Come to think of it, I can't recall family abduction cases earlier than the 1980's, could Evans have done something similar in regards to his daughter?
 
  • #67
Franklin Floyd kidnapped Suzanne Sevakis in May 1975, and had married Suzanne's mom around May 1974. He was in NC in 1974.
I have wondered myself if Evans was involved in missing babysitters. Especially during the time he had Lisa. From being with Denise in 1981-being found alone with Lisa in 1985.

Followed the Floyd/Sevakis case for many many years, had truly believed she was Christina Carter another haunting case.. Grew up in the same town.

In all there are possibilities in many MP's and UID's out there ... One can't think a person stayed in one place solidly I'm sure there are open gaps of time where RE was somewhere else other than Manchester ... Believe there is one sure clue of that ..by looking at his picture
 
  • #68
Followed the Floyd/Sevakis case for many many years, had truly believed she was Christina Carter another haunting case.. Grew up in the same town.

In all there are possibilities in many MP's and UID's out there ... One can't think a person stayed in one place solidly I'm sure there are open gaps of time where RE was somewhere else other than Manchester ... Believe there is one sure clue of that ..by looking at his picture

I added some more to my original post, I need to stop doing that, haha. I will post something and keep adding...

That case stumped me for years! I was just saying Floyd was in NC in June of 1974, just married to Suzanne's mom, so not as likely in Margaret Fox's case. But with Evans there's a possibility! It scares me to think he could have other children!

The officer in CA noted that his accent was from the East coast, and New Jersey is consistent with that. With that being said, I believe he spend the first half of his life on the East coast. My mom is from Maryland, she moved to North Carolina 30 years ago and still has MD's distant accent and never developed a more southern accent during those 3 decades. I think Evans accent may be telling.
 
  • #69
Well after checking so many children and women missing on Namus, I'm convinced that the child was never reported missing. The same with the woman and her children in Allenstown. When you think about it, Denise and Dawn were never reported missing either. Things were different back then, people would go missing and no one thought much about it. There wasn't as many ways to keep in contact, long distance phone calls were expensive and someone might not write. So my guess is this is going to be difficult if no one is "missing". I'm still researching his Robert Evans alias, but it's a common name and there's just tons of them out there. Did they ever mention a birthdate for Robert Evans? I'm assuming they have one since he was questioned for bad checks and stealing electricity. A birthdate would help narrow it down. I'm hoping he used the Evans name before he came to NH.
 
  • #70
Well after checking so many children and women missing on Namus, I'm convinced that the child was never reported missing. The same with the woman and her children in Allenstown. When you think about it, Denise and Dawn were never reported missing either. Things were different back then, people would go missing and no one thought much about it. There wasn't as many ways to keep in contact, long distance phone calls were expensive and someone might not write. So my guess is this is going to be difficult if no one is "missing". I'm still researching his Robert Evans alias, but it's a common name and there's just tons of them out there. Did they ever mention a birthdate for Robert Evans? I'm assuming they have one since he was questioned for bad checks and stealing electricity. A birthdate would help narrow it down. I'm hoping he used the Evans name before he came to NH.

No authentic birthday of course. I'm pretty sure he pinched Mayo Kimball's but added or subtracted a decade exactly. So if Kimball was 99/88/1952 then RE used 99/88/1942.

He may have done this over and over with as many manufactured birthdays as adopted names.
 
  • #71
Well after checking so many children and women missing on Namus, I'm convinced that the child was never reported missing. The same with the woman and her children in Allenstown. When you think about it, Denise and Dawn were never reported missing either. Things were different back then, people would go missing and no one thought much about it. There wasn't as many ways to keep in contact, long distance phone calls were expensive and someone might not write. So my guess is this is going to be difficult if no one is "missing". I'm still researching his Robert Evans alias, but it's a common name and there's just tons of them out there. Did they ever mention a birthdate for Robert Evans? I'm assuming they have one since he was questioned for bad checks and stealing electricity. A birthdate would help narrow it down. I'm hoping he used the Evans name before he came to NH.

Mom24,

I see now that you asked this question before and got a similar response before. On page 49 of the first thread here, the reply stated 3/18/52 (Kimball) and 3/18/42 (Robert Evans). In a separate, albeit superficial round of googling just now, I found Kimball (GA and TX resident) to be born on 3/1/52. I'm assuming this can be easily verified once and for all.

I'm assuming the earlier respondent to your question was citing material released by LE in the January press conference. The Oakhill blog, drawing on the same source, outlines instances where RE was known to have listed 1936, 1952, and dates in between as the year of his birth. (I'm guessing you are already aware of this...) In my reading I have not seen any other specific birthdates (day/month/year) outside of the Kimball case.
 
  • #72
On another message board, a poster found a "Bob Evans" at North HS in Phoenix the resemblances was striking unsure if it lead to anything or another dead end road.

As mentioned earlier I'm under the same impression that none were reported missing. All thou there have been cases where it was reported however not taken seriously or was documents were lost in a fire or the report due to age was removed.

Back in the 70's and 80's it was a different time, esp the 70's where the norm was to be free spirited now a days we would call it being transient ...

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  • #73
Franklin Floyd kidnapped Suzanne Sevakis in May 1975, and had married Suzanne's mom around May 1974. He was in NC and possibly TX in 1974.

I have wondered myself if Evans was involved in missing babysitters. Especially during the time he had Lisa. With Margaret Fox's case being in 1974 and Evans whereabouts being unknown before 1977...It gives me the heebie jeebies that Evans could have more children!

One thing I found interesting with Floyd is how he kidnapped his step-daughter and authorities refused to file a missing persons report because he was the child's step-father. Wrong on so many levels especially since he never legally adopted his step-children. Come to think of it, I can't recall family abduction cases earlier than the 1980's, could Evans have done something similar in regards to his daughter?

This was in 1970, but close enough. Long story short, my parents had three of us before they were married and my father threatened to kill my mother if she didn't go and leave us behind. She was 19 and scared to death, so she had no choice but to take off and abandon us. She went to a lawyer to see how to get us back, and he told her that since they weren't married, she had as much right to us as he did and she could just go snatch us back, which she did. So, it doesn't sound like there were stringent custody laws back then, especially if you weren't married.
 
  • #74
Did they track down the real CMK's to see if they recognized RE?
 
  • #75
Yesterday I posted speculation relating to the observation of one of the arresting officers in the Jun case (Roxane Gruenheid) that RE had an eastern accent. Based on public searches, it appears that Ms. Gruenheid may be from the Long Island, NY area - where many people have a distinct accent.

Theory of RE origin: He was raised in the tri-state area (outer burrough NYC, Long Island, NJ suburbs, Fairfield County CT), Providence area or Boston area. His accent was distinct enough to be recognizable in subtle ways to a native of the northeast area, but not pronounced enough to stand out to folks from CA as being remarkable. Hence his surprise at, having blended in so often in CA, to be called out by Ms. Gruenheid.

I further would guess that he originally hailed from a middle or upper-middle class family, somewhat belying his vagabond lifestyle and employment prospects as an adult. Very broadly speaking, strong regional accents suggest lower economic station; subtler accents suggest higher economic station, but likely rule out Manhattan or Philips Exeter. He was obviously intelligent, charismatic and well-spoken -- as most serial killers are -- social abilities that were possibly fostered in a comfortable enough upbringing, though they could of course simply be innate or learned in other settings.

Finally, I suspect extreme trauma or abuse in the early teen years for a prolonged period of time, events which caused a complete schism with family, the necessity of becoming self-sufficient as a teenager (electrical/mechanical skills, military enlistment) - courses that would in many cases have been avoidable for someone of his family's milieu.

I'm guessing he was from NYC environs (dead match to Ms. Gruenhein's ear) or Boston environs (familiarity with southern NH area allows him to "spread his wings" as a serial killer before desperation forces him to hit the road and adjust to itinerant circumstances in often unfamiliar turf).
 
  • #76
Did they track down the real CMK's to see if they recognized RE?

That question has danced around in my head for weeks now. This is an FBI involved case so one would think they would have followed the same trails we have and flushed out if the real CMK knew of RE
 
  • #77
Yesterday I posted speculation relating to the observation of one of the arresting officers in the Jun case (Roxane Gruenheid) that RE had an eastern accent. Based on public searches, it appears that Ms. Gruenheid may be from the Long Island, NY area - where many people have a distinct accent.

Theory of RE origin: He was raised in the tri-state area (outer burrough NYC, Long Island, NJ suburbs, Fairfield County CT), Providence area or Boston area. His accent was distinct enough to be recognizable in subtle ways to a native of the northeast area, but not pronounced enough to stand out to folks from CA as being remarkable. Hence his surprise at, having blended in so often in CA, to be called out by Ms. Gruenheid.

I further would guess that he originally hailed from a middle or upper-middle class family, somewhat belying his vagabond lifestyle and employment prospects as an adult. Very broadly speaking, strong regional accents suggest lower economic station; subtler accents suggest higher economic station, but likely rule out Manhattan or Philips Exeter. He was obviously intelligent, charismatic and well-spoken -- as most serial killers are -- social abilities that were possibly fostered in a comfortable enough upbringing, though they could of course simply be innate or learned in other settings.

Finally, I suspect extreme trauma or abuse in the early teen years for a prolonged period of time, events which caused a complete schism with family, the necessity of becoming self-sufficient as a teenager (electrical/mechanical skills, military enlistment) - courses that would in many cases have been avoidable for someone of his family's milieu.

I'm guessing he was from NYC environs (dead match to Ms. Gruenhein's ear) or Boston environs (familiarity with southern NH area allows him to "spread his wings" as a serial killer before desperation forces him to hit the road and adjust to itinerant circumstances in often unfamiliar turf).

Excellent post .... Criminal profile


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  • #78
What if he was a runaway like it's been stated and hooked up with a carnival and was abused there and later broke away and maybe hooked up with the carnival again much later?

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  • #79
I think it is safe to say that there doesn't appear to be an missing person report for the Allenstown Four, the middle child's mother nor Evans himself under whatever identity he was using before 1977.

This not due to a higher tolerance of "alternative" or "transient" lifestyles but rather the limits on Information Technology that existed at the time. It was really difficult for jurisdictions to exchange information and to access information that had been collected from other jurisdictions.

Until the 1990's, one could escape debt, child support obligations and low level arrest warrants simply by moving out of state without changing identities. If some Law Enforcement agency really wanted to find you (or a private "skip tracer") the search often involved manually flipping through paper files or, by the 1980's, scrolling through microfilm. It was time consuming and expensive.

Later, as technology improved, some jurisdictions transferred a lot of records to digital form while others did not. There is little consistency on what information is available. Because retaining paper records requires space and became increasingly difficult to access, a lot of these records were destroyed and are lost for good.

Federal records are generally more accessible than State or local records but a fire at a Federal Records center destroyed a lot of military records and many veterans were unable to obtain records of service.

Two types of records that have been retained and transferred to electronic medium where they can readily be obtained are serious criminal records and Child Support information. Criminal information is understandable but People might be surprised about child support.

The reason Child Support informations was retained is that Child Support obligations never go away. Counties keep those records because they represented debts that could, and very often were, recovered decades after they occurred. Men who skipped out in their twenties are now having their Social Security checks garnished.

(This would apply only to men who baby mamas we're receiving Welfare because their child support obligations were to the county and not the mothers. Mothers can also recover Support from decades before but they often lack the information to pursue these claims)

Now days, counties run cross references to see if men owning child support to the counties are receiving Social Security or other government benefits. If the father is dead, the county will be notified and the search will be terminated. There are a certain number of fathers ( and perhaps a few mothers) who are not on record as deceased but are of advanced age and would normally be eligible for some government benefit but are not.

I bet the real Robert Evans is on one of those list.

( in the 1970's far more women received what was known as "welfare" than receive it now. Most younger women who did not live with the father of their child and did not receive hold Support from the father dot Welfare)
 
  • #80
I think it is safe to say that there doesn't appear to be an missing person report for the Allenstown Four, the middle child's mother nor Evans himself under whatever identity he was using before 1977.

This not due to a higher tolerance of "alternative" or "transient" lifestyles but rather the limits on Information Technology that existed at the time. It was really difficult for jurisdictions to exchange information and to access information that had been collected from other jurisdictions.

Until the 1990's, one could escape debt, child support obligations and low level arrest warrants simply by moving out of state without changing identities. If some Law Enforcement agency really wanted to find you (or a private "skip tracer") the search often involved manually flipping through paper files or, by the 1980's, scrolling through microfilm. It was time consuming and expensive.

Later, as technology improved, some jurisdictions transferred a lot of records to digital form while others did not. There is little consistency on what information is available. Because retaining paper records requires space and became increasingly difficult to access, a lot of these records were destroyed and are lost for good.

Federal records are generally more accessible than State or local records but a fire at a Federal Records center destroyed a lot of military records and many veterans were unable to obtain records of service.

Two types of records that have been retained and transferred to electronic medium where they can readily be obtained are serious criminal records and Child Support information. Criminal information is understandable but People might be surprised about child support.

The reason Child Support informations was retained is that Child Support obligations never go away. Counties keep those records because they represented debts that could, and very often were, recovered decades after they occurred. Men who skipped out in their twenties are now having their Social Security checks garnished.

(This would apply only to men who baby mamas we're receiving Welfare because their child support obligations were to the county and not the mothers. Mothers can also recover Support from decades before but they often lack the information to pursue these claims)

Now days, counties run cross references to see if men owning child support to the counties are receiving Social Security or other government benefits. If the father is dead, the county will be notified and the search will be terminated. There are a certain number of fathers ( and perhaps a few mothers) who are not on record as deceased but are of advanced age and would normally be eligible for some government benefit but are not.

I bet the real Robert Evans is on one of those list.

( in the 1970's far more women received what was known as "welfare" than receive it now. Most younger women who did not live with the father of their child and did not receive hold Support from the father dot Welfare)

Great information and very fascinating, too. Thank you for sharing that. I agree "IT" is probably a bigger explanation of why so many people are hard to find or seem to have gone un-reported just a few decades go, though that lack of connectivity might have enabled a "transient" option for folks on the margin of society to an extent that is hard to imagine for most of us today.

My father-in-law (Air Force vet), when I was describing this case (I did my best to boil down the particulars and keep the explanation to just 10 mins or so!) simply replied by askin, "Didn't the military have his fingerprints?" [i.e., to cross-check with multiple CA arrests in the eighties.] I did not have a good answer then for why not, but have a better one now. Nor did I know about the retention emphasis on child support payments. Most interesting and possibly helpful in this case.

There was a case -- discussed just a few pages back earlier today -- about a missing young man found dead in NC in 1984, who was reported missing from Memphis, and on whose person were allusions to time in Illinois. It wasn't until a few years ago that a central missing children's network helped to galvanize interest in the case and in the process had the effect of pulling together NC, TN and IL law in a way that was improbable or impossible at the time of the original investigation - but led to a (relatively) quick resolution in the last couple years, culminating in a successful identification of the deceased this very month. That was a very good example of inter-state networking that could similarly occur in a case like this.
 
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