NH NH/CA - Terry Peder Rasmussen, suspected SK, Allenstown, 1981-2000's - #2

[Springrain]

This has probably been brought up, but do you think the daughter that he killed was given the surname Rasmussen?

 

[Al Ka]

This has probably been brought up, but do you think the daughter that he killed was given the surname Rasmussen?

Probably not IMHO. If she was born prior to 78, which is quite likely, he was not divorced yet. Not sure actually if he even knew that his ex was divorcing him and that it was finalized in 78.

(I am not sure about US laws, but it sounded from news articles like divorce in absentia).

 

[Gardener1850]

Probably not IMHO. If she was born prior to 78, which is quite likely, he was not divorced yet. Not sure actually if he even knew that his ex was divorcing him and that it was finalized in 78.

(I am not sure about US laws, but it sounded from news articles like divorce in absentia).

I have found his divorce records on familysearch.org and the divorce was first filed in Oct 1972. JMO, I think he knew his wife was divorcing him since he later came to visit his family in 1974 with a woman. You are probably right, however, that the divorce was finalized in Sept 1978 due to his absence. News articles stated his location was unknown then.

 

[Al Ka]

1960-1966 is too early for all but the early stages of Vietnam and too late for Korea, though as always there were incidents and firefights, and you never know what effect constant stress such as we lived with during the cold war will have on a person.

I get the impression that he was at least kind of okay until around the time of the divorce.

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As someone who grew up behind iron wall comment that someone in America had stress from cold war makes my eyes roll (lol - no pun intended)

I do believe too that Bob/Terry did go through something traumatic which affected him, although some people are just naturally aggressive when they drink.

 

[Gardener1850]

This has probably been brought up, but do you think the daughter that he killed was given the surname Rasmussen?

Good question. Probably depends on if the child was born to the woman who came to visit in Dec 1974. If that woman had Terry's child then she had met his family and most likely knew his real name. I think there is a good chance she had his child because the time frame is right. If they were not married, she may or may not have named the child with his last name. He also might have lied to her saying he was already divorced in 1974 as a ruse to marry her. Or he might have had a fake wedding as he did with Eunsoon. So many possibilities.

 

[Al Ka]

Something I have not noticed before

Rasmussen was still using his real name when he lived in Houston in 1978, working for the Brown & Root Company. Company records show he "quit to work elsewhere."

http://www.unionleader.com/crime/investigators-hope-killers-id-will-yield-new-clues--20170820

So woman/women who met him until this point in 78 would knew him probably under his real name. After Houston, maybe other places in that year he appears in NH in 1978, well definitely in 1979 as Bob Evans.

So still unknown are whereabouts between 74 - 78 and reason for his name change (maybe his first) in 78 - 79.
(Bad checks or DUI? Big loans or debts? Something else traumatic or drastic? Death of middle's child mother? )

 

[Gardener1850]

Something I have not noticed before


http://www.unionleader.com/crime/investigators-hope-killers-id-will-yield-new-clues--20170820

So woman/women who met him until this point in 78 would knew him probably under his real name. After Houston, maybe other places in that year he appears in NH in 1978, well definitely in 1979 as Bob Evans.

So still unknown are whereabouts between 74 - 78 and reason for his name change (maybe his first) in 78 - 79.
(Bad checks or DUI? Something else traumatic or drastic? Death of middle's child mother? )

Great catch, I had not noticed that either! So it's possible his child had his last name.

 

[everybodhi]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but here is another informative timeline, this one from The Denver Channel.

Timeline of Terry Peder RASMUSSEN

 

[Al Ka]

One more thing I noticed on new published timeline we did not know about

1998, June - Rasmussen pulled over in California under the name of Lawrence William Vanner and cited for not having insurance
or a driver's license.

(no, they did not find out that he was on the run for parole violation)

 

[folieadeuxnola]

This has probably been brought up, but do you think the daughter that he killed was given the surname Rasmussen?

Its possible, as far as the NH timeline stated. TR was using his birth name till June 1978 .. Give or take a year of the estimated girls age ... Its definitely something to think about


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[Springrain]

Something I have not noticed before


http://www.unionleader.com/crime/investigators-hope-killers-id-will-yield-new-clues--20170820

So woman/women who met him until this point in 78 would knew him probably under his real name. After Houston, maybe other places in that year he appears in NH in 1978, well definitely in 1979 as Bob Evans.

So still unknown are whereabouts between 74 - 78 and reason for his name change (maybe his first) in 78 - 79.
(Bad checks or DUI? Big loans or debts? Something else traumatic or drastic? Death of middle's child mother? )

Great, thanks!

This might be dumb, but I was thinking that perhaps he met the woman in the barrel outside of New Hampshire, and he took her real last name, so that when he arrived in NH his name was already changed to Bob Evans. I wonder if her name really was Elizabeth Evans.

Since he was still using his real name in Texas in 1978, his daughter probably was given the surname Rasmussen at birth since she would've been born in 1975-1978, I think. I wonder if, while Terry had her, he changed her first name like he did with Dawn/Lisa and changed her surname to Evans.

I only wish there was more info on the woman who visited he brought to visit with his kids in Dec 1974, but after 4 decades, no one remembers anything. I almost wonder if she was pregnant with the murdered daughter at that point, and he brought her to see his kids with his ex.

My guess would be that, since it seems likely that he met Daughter's mom in Texas, she was most likely living Texas for some period of time, and went to live with family/friends in another area matching the isotope results. I'd bet Daughter was born in Texas, but only lived there very briefly.

I'm still not convinced he murdered Daughter's mom. It's definitely possible, but there are many other explanations.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

One more thing I noticed on new published timeline we did not know about

1998, June - Rasmussen pulled over in California under the name of Lawrence William Vanner and cited for not having insurance
or a driver's license.

(no, they did not find out that he was on the run for parole violation)

Must have missed that one .... Where did you find he was pulled over in 1998 .. Wow .. That would fill in a gap till he surfaces again in 2000's


...oh my kindly disregard .. I found it [emoji849]


https://www.doj.nh.gov/media-center/press-releases/2017/documents/20170818-attachment-a.pdf

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[folieadeuxnola]

Great, thanks!

This might be dumb, but I was thinking that perhaps he met the woman in the barrel outside of New Hampshire, and he took her real last name, so that when he arrived in NH his name was already changed to Bob Evans. I wonder if her name really was Elizabeth Evans.

Since he was still using his real name in Texas in 1978, his daughter probably was given the surname Rasmussen at birth since she would've been born in 1975-1978, I think. I wonder if, while Terry had her, he changed her first name like he did with Dawn/Lisa and changed her surname to Evans.

I only wish there was more info on the woman who visited he brought to visit with his kids in Dec 1974, but after 4 decades, no one remembers anything. I almost wonder if she was pregnant with the murdered daughter at that point, and he brought her to see his kids with his ex.

My guess would be that, since it seems likely that he met Daughter's mom in Texas, she was most likely living Texas for some period of time, and went to live with family/friends in another area matching the isotope results. I'd bet Daughter was born in Texas, but only lived there very briefly.

I'm still not convinced he murdered Daughter's mom. It's definitely possible, but there are many other explanations.

Springrain.. Excellent write up

Have been Pondering some of the same possiblities.. Esp about the isotopes


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[Al Ka]

Great, thanks!

This might be dumb, but I was thinking that perhaps he met the woman in the barrel outside of New Hampshire, and he took her real last name, so that when he arrived in NH his name was already changed to Bob Evans. I wonder if her name really was Elizabeth Evans.

Since he was still using his real name in Texas in 1978, his daughter probably was given the surname Rasmussen at birth since she would've been born in 1975-1978, I think. I wonder if, while Terry had her, he changed her first name like he did with Dawn/Lisa and changed her surname to Evans.

I only wish there was more info on the woman who visited he brought to visit with his kids in Dec 1974, but after 4 decades, no one remembers anything. I almost wonder if she was pregnant with the murdered daughter at that point, and he brought her to see his kids with his ex.

My guess would be that, since it seems likely that he met Daughter's mom in Texas, she was most likely living Texas for some period of time, and went to live with family/friends in another area matching the isotope results. I'd bet Daughter was born in Texas, but only lived there very briefly.

I'm still not convinced he murdered Daughter's mom. It's definitely possible, but there are many other explanations.

Springrain, this actually does make lots of sense. Very interesting about the names possibilities too.

There was actually member here who after sifting through million Bob Evans did locate real Bob Evans who's identity was likely used by Bob/Terry. She did not mentioned much for privacy reasons. I always wanted to ask for at least the state but I did not, grr. I think it was posted somewhere in the beginning of this thread. Will try to search for it.

Something else mentioned by LE:

But he did say "things were rough" in Rasmussen's marriage, "and we surmise that things got a lot worse, which is why he ended up committing the crimes that he did."

"I think it's fair to say by the late '60s, early '70s, he was taking a very different turn," Strelzin said.

http://www.unionleader.com/crime/investigators-hope-killers-id-will-yield-new-clues--20170820

I think those subtle LE hints from above quote suggest that Bob/Terry was indeed quite violent? Or I am not sure what else to make of it. (or starting to drink heavily mixed with violence or battling his demons?)

 

[Springrain]

Springrain.. Excellent write up

Have been Pondering some of the same possiblities.. Esp about the isotopes


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Thanks! Her isotopes confuse me when paired with the info that he was in Texas during that time. I wonder if her mom was originally from New Mexico, and moved back to New Mexico with the daughter after Terry left. It would make some sense to me when considering the theory that the daughter may have been part Native, as New Mexico has a high number of Native Americans.

New Mexico was shown as a possibility on the isotope map, mainly northern New Mexico. So was Colorado. Almost makes me wonder if the daughter's mom was someone Terry had known in his childhood in Denver. Kinda doubt it though.

Really thinking that finding out his daughter's identity is a huge piece in the puzzle. If not in the identity of the other 3 victims, then it may be important to show Terry's movements and any other possible victims.

 

[Al Ka]

Ok, I found it

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...287&highlight=bob+evans+ancestry#post13348287

Well, I'm pretty sure I found the real Robert Evans. Which would mean Robert Evans was another alias.

I first found the name and same birthdate on Ancestry. So I thought it might be our guy and another place he lived. Then I did some further searching and found a newspaper article about the real Robert Evans and today an obituary. It's slow searching because there's so much to sift through, and the real Robert Evans also had a son named Robert Evans so it was a bit confusing.

Yes, under the alias of Robert Evans he used the birthdate of June 22, 1944.
https://manchesterinklink.com/missing-persons-last-seen-1981-know-denise-beaudin-bob-evans/

Also, I've checked on people residing at 925 Hayward St in Manchester. It's hard to find anything for the timeframe of the 1970's and 80's. While there wasn't any Elizabeth, there was a Donna living there in 1975. He did mention the name Donna before?

So Mom24, very belated question, what state was real Bob Evans from? (to mods, no, we are not going to sleuth him)

 

[Gardener1850]

Found this about his time in Idaho:

According to law enforcement, Rasmussen lived in Preston sometime during the mid- to late-1980s, possibly working on a farm.


During this time, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said Rasmussen stole a vehicle from a friend in Preston. He was later pulled over in that vehicle on Nov. 11, 1988 in San Luis Obispo, California.

http://idahostatejournal.com/news/l...cle_493e66ec-c8cd-5a30-adbb-73351063a92f.html

I had not seen these details about him possibly working on a farm in Idaho and that the vehicle was stolen from "a friend". It seems like we are getting more and more details on his movements.

 

[Springrain]

Springrain, this actually does make lots of sense. Very interesting about the names possibilities too.

There was actually member here who after sifting through million Bob Evans did locate real Bob Evans who's identity was likely used by Bob/Terry. She did not mentioned much for privacy reasons. I always wanted to ask for at least the state but I did not, grr. I think it was posted somewhere in the beginning of this thread. Will try to search for it.

Something else mentioned by LE:

http://www.unionleader.com/crime/investigators-hope-killers-id-will-yield-new-clues--20170820

I think those subtle LE hints from above quote suggest that Bob/Terry was indeed quite violent? Or I am not sure what else to make of it.

Interesting! I had no idea about that. This thread gets so much posting, it's hard for me to keep up with...lol.

I'd bet that he had always had somewhat violent tendencies, but they got much worse during his marriage, and once his wife left, he "snapped", as they say. I know his ex-wife and kids are all accounted for, but I think it's what finally "triggered" him to start killing.

His MO is particularly shocking to me. He wasn't a Ridgway who would kill just any woman or girl. He put so much time and effort into forming relationships and maintaining them for years before finally murdering his victims.

My guess is that he had threatened and abused Wife #1 for a long time, and she was afraid to leave until he nearly killed her. Strangled her, beat her severely, etc., and she finally got the courage to take the kids and leave. He did that with Daughter's mother, too, and she left with the baby as well. Frustrated, he finally set his sights on Denise and managed to harm her. I wonder if he 'contained' his violent tendencies with her until the very end, for fear of her leaving.

 

[Springrain]

Found this about his time in Idaho:

http://idahostatejournal.com/news/l...cle_493e66ec-c8cd-5a30-adbb-73351063a92f.html

I had not seen these details about him possibly working on a farm in Idaho and that the vehicle was stolen from "a friend". It seems like we are getting more and more details on his movements.

I did see the headline about him living in southeast Idaho, didn't know he worked on a farm or that the vehicle was stolen from a friend. Hmm...makes me wonder about Montana...

 

[Gardener1850]

Thanks! Her isotopes confuse me when paired with the info that he was in Texas during that time. I wonder if her mom was originally from New Mexico, and moved back to New Mexico with the daughter after Terry left. It would make some sense to me when considering the theory that the daughter may have been part Native, as New Mexico has a high number of Native Americans.

New Mexico was shown as a possibility on the isotope map, mainly northern New Mexico. So was Colorado. Almost makes me wonder if the daughter's mom was someone Terry had known in his childhood in Denver. Kinda doubt it though.

Really thinking that finding out his daughter's identity is a huge piece in the puzzle. If not in the identity of the other 3 victims, then it may be important to show Terry's movements and any other possible victims.

BBM. I think you are onto something here about her mom being someplace else at least for the birth of the baby. It's possible her mom and Terry parted ways without Terry knowing she was pregnant. Maybe she went to live with her family (somewhere within those isotope regions) and after the baby was born she wrote to Terry in Texas to tell him. Maybe he quit his job in TX to join her and baby, but it didn't work out... Or maybe she shows up back in Texas one day with his baby, he kills her in a rage, takes the baby, quietly quits his job and flees to New Hampshire under a new name. :moo: