NH NH/CA - Terry Peder Rasmussen, suspected SK, Allenstown, 1981-2000's - #3

[Alleykins]

As for the TOD estimates, here's what I recall:
Originally, before the isotope and advanced genetic testing, it was listed as 1977-1985
In the Nov. 2015 press conference, it was narrowed down to 1980-1984 (this was before RE)
I don't recall an official revision with the announcement of RE's discovery during the Jan 2017 press conference. I think it was just assumed that since they left after Thanksgiving, 1981 that the TOD would before that date. If I missed it, someone please holler.
With this latest discovery of him possibly being in NH not until the latter half of 1978 and leaving in late 1981, that would narrow the window down considerably from previous estimates. I don't recall an official revision has been given, but again, if I'm missed it, please let me know.
On a side note, since there is still a gap between 1981-1984 where his whereabouts are still unknown, there is a slim chance that they were still in NH, or the area, just not in Manchester.

 

[Gardener1850]

As for the TOD estimates, here's what I recall:
Originally, before the isotope and advanced genetic testing, it was listed as 1977-1985
In the Nov. 2015 press conference, it was narrowed down to 1980-1984 (this was before RE)
I don't recall an official revision with the announcement of RE's discovery during the Jan 2017 press conference. I think it was just assumed that since they left after Thanksgiving, 1981 that the TOD would before that date. If I missed it, someone please holler.
With this latest discovery of him possibly being in NH not until the latter half of 1978 and leaving in late 1981, that would narrow the window down considerably from previous estimates. I don't recall an official revision has been given, but again, if I'm missed it, please let me know.
On a side note, since there is still a gap between 1981-1984 where his whereabouts are still unknown, there is a slim chance that they were still in NH, or the area, just not in Manchester.

This all sounds correct to me Alleykins. Great summary!
Just to add to it-- there is also the timeline of when he mentions Elizabeth Evans. "Bob Evans" was arrested in Feb 1980, June 1980 and Oct 1980. If I am understanding correctly, he mentions Elizabeth and 2 kids in the 1st 2 arrests but no spouse at all in the last arrest. It might not mean anything, but IMO, it could mean he killed the Allenstown 4 (or only Elizabeth if she is not the woman in the barrel) between June and Oct and someone else could have signed for the mail in Nov. He might have moved onto Denise after Oct 1980 based on the Summer 1981 pictures.

 

[carbuff]

No, I can't find any official dates other than what you have there, Alleykins. Some of the media timelines have other dates, but they appear to be the same sort of guesstimates and speculation we make

 

[Alleykins]

No, I can't find any official dates other than what you have there, Alleykins. Some of the media timelines have other dates, but they appear to be the same sort of guesstimates and speculation we make

Thanks, Carbuff. That's what I was thinking, too.
Considering he could have been anywhere from 1981-1984, I don't think it's outside the realm off possibilities that he was still in New England, maybe using yet another alias.

 

[Gardener1850]

I wonder if he could have been using 2 aliases at the same time (overlapping dates) while in New Hampshire.

 

[Alleykins]

I wonder if he could have been using 2 aliases at the same time (overlapping dates) while in New Hampshire.

That's possible. I'm also thinking he was paying child support for 5 children by that point.
I wonder if there is a way to search old payroll records for wage garnishments and court records from the isotope areas to see if anyone had petitioned for child support from TR.

 

[azshadowwalker]

As for the TOD estimates, here's what I recall:
Originally, before the isotope and advanced genetic testing, it was listed as 1977-1985
In the Nov. 2015 press conference, it was narrowed down to 1980-1984 (this was before RE)
I don't recall an official revision with the announcement of RE's discovery during the Jan 2017 press conference. I think it was just assumed that since they left after Thanksgiving, 1981 that the TOD would before that date. If I missed it, someone please holler.
With this latest discovery of him possibly being in NH not until the latter half of 1978 and leaving in late 1981, that would narrow the window down considerably from previous estimates. I don't recall an official revision has been given, but again, if I'm missed it, please let me know.
On a side note, since there is still a gap between 1981-1984 where his whereabouts are still unknown, there is a slim chance that they were still in NH, or the area, just not in Manchester.

Okay, I have something kind of off the wall to ask. Now, we know he killed Jun in Richmond. We also know that Dawn disappeared after they left, but we do not know how or why. Is there any actual physical evidence that he killed the A4? He is obviously the father of the child and an unsavory dude, but is that proof that he killed her? I ask because of the death dates. They obviously don't have medical proof for TOD or they wouldn't keep changing it. They are changing it entirely based on the assumption that he was the killer. What if the woman and children actually were killed as late as 1984-85 by someone else? Did I miss something where they have something tying him to those murders beyond circumstances?

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[Gardener1850]

Okay, I have something kind of off the wall to ask. Now, we know he killed Jun in Richmond. We also know that Dawn disappeared after they left, but we do not know how or why. Is there any actual physical evidence that he killed the A4? He is obviously the father of the child and an unsavory dude, but is that proof that he killed her? I ask because of the death dates. They obviously don't have medical proof for TOD or they wouldn't keep changing it. They are changing it entirely based on the assumption that he was the killer. What if the woman and children actually were killed as late as 1984-85 by someone else? Did I miss something where they have something tying him to those murders beyond circumstances?

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Well, we know for a fact he killed Jun. He confessed and all the evidence pointed directly to him in her case. We likely don't have all the gory details that LE has about these deaths but what we DO know is that all 5 victims died from blunt force trauma. All were dismembered. There were probably other similarities in the method of death and dismemberment between Jun and the Allenstown 4 that were not released. Did he tie Jun with electrical cords like he had with the Allenstown victims? I'm not sure we know. JMO, but I don't think there is much doubt in the minds of LE that Terry Rasmussen is the murderer of all.

 

[carbuff]

White with other ethnicity, died 1968-1975, found in 1978 in a park in Islip, Long Island, no mention of cause of death or condition of body. Posting it mostly because of the timing. LI is easy to get to by ferry from southern New England.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1068ufny.html

 

[Alleykins]

Okay, I have something kind of off the wall to ask. Now, we know he killed Jun in Richmond. We also know that Dawn disappeared after they left, but we do not know how or why. Is there any actual physical evidence that he killed the A4? He is obviously the father of the child and an unsavory dude, but is that proof that he killed her? I ask because of the death dates. They obviously don't have medical proof for TOD or they wouldn't keep changing it. They are changing it entirely based on the assumption that he was the killer. What if the woman and children actually were killed as late as 1984-85 by someone else? Did I miss something where they have something tying him to those murders beyond circumstances?

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I've kind of wondered that myself, because estimated TODs are all they have. In the Nov 2015 press conf. they said they narrowed the TOD down to 1980-1984, but in order for TR to have killed him during that time frame, it had to be before 1981 if he left the area for good, or he had to still be in the area up to 1984.
There are two plot holes to the latter theory, and they are:1. why did he spare D/L and not his own daughter, and 2. where is DB?
If they were killed after 1981 and TR turns up somewhere else in between 1981 & 1984, then that would point to a different suspect, IMHO.
However, the circumstances between Jun's death and the Allenstown victims are too similar to dismiss.

 

[carbuff]

I've kind of wondered that myself, because estimated TODs are all they have. In the Nov 2015 press conf. they said they narrowed the TOD down to 1980-1984, but in order for TR to have killed him during that time frame, it had to be before 1981 if he left the area for good, or he had to still be in the area up to 1984.
There are two plot holes to the latter theory, and they are:1. why did he spare D/L and not his own daughter, and 2. where is DB?
If they were killed after 1981 and TR turns up somewhere else in between 1981 & 1984, then that would point to a different suspect, IMHO.
However, the circumstances between Jun's death and the Allenstown victims are too similar to dismiss.

Third option, he returned to the area to kill and/or dispose of the remains?

 

[Gardener1850]

Third option, he returned to the area to kill and/or dispose of the remains?

I think that's possible since the floor in the basement of the Hayward St house had been disturbed. He could have left the victims in the basement for a while and then came back later and disposed of them in the park.

 

[Al Ka]

Okay, I have something kind of off the wall to ask. Now, we know he killed Jun in Richmond. We also know that Dawn disappeared after they left, but we do not know how or why. Is there any actual physical evidence that he killed the A4? He is obviously the father of the child and an unsavory dude, but is that proof that he killed her? I ask because of the death dates. They obviously don't have medical proof for TOD or they wouldn't keep changing it. They are changing it entirely based on the assumption that he was the killer. What if the woman and children actually were killed as late as 1984-85 by someone else? Did I miss something where they have something tying him to those murders beyond circumstances?

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The answer would be No. There is no physical evidence tying him to Allenstown 4 murders. LE stated in conference that he is considered strong suspect due to middle child being his own daughter and the fact he knew place well and worked at area (camp ground and shop) where their bodies were found. Missing Denise (not Dawn/Lisa - I think typo in your post) is also only assumed murdered by him, no prove or not yet. All above are assumptions, albeit strong ones.

Could there be different killer of 4 of them in barrels? Yes. Could Bob/Terry abandon his bio daughter with someone the same way as he did with Lisa? Yes, he could. Although she was in that area only 3 weeks to 3 month (I have to double check that, but its definitely not 6 month as I previously thought), which leaves a bit short time frame for him to get her and then abandon her. Another possibility nobody mentioned yet, could adult female harm/killed his newly arrived daughter for whatever reason and he lost it killing rest of them?

Well, we know for a fact he killed Jun. He confessed and all the evidence pointed directly to him in her case. We likely don't have all the gory details that LE has about these deaths but what we DO know is that all 5 victims died from blunt force trauma. All were dismembered. There were probably other similarities in the method of death and dismemberment between Jun and the Allenstown 4 that were not released. Did he tie Jun with electrical cords like he had with the Allenstown victims? I'm not sure we know. JMO, but I don't think there is much doubt in the minds of LE that Terry Rasmussen is the murderer of all.

This is actually not correct. Only 2 older victims in Allenstown, first barrel, were partially dismembered and had blunt force trauma or in more accurate terms they skulls were smashed in violently. Two young children victims in 2nd barrel were not dismembered and course of death was never determined. There were no physical signs of any traumatic injuries on their bones (no blunt force trauma, no signs of strangulation etc). It is assumed that it could be asphyxiation as everything else seemed to be ruled out.

Yes, Eunsoon Jun had blunt force trauma and was partially dismembered. NH LE did state that this is another reason/similarity why they considered Bob/Terry suspect in Allenstown 4 case .

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Okay, I have something kind of off the wall to ask. Now, we know he killed Jun in Richmond. We also know that Dawn disappeared after they left, but we do not know how or why. Is there any actual physical evidence that he killed the A4? He is obviously the father of the child and an unsavory dude, but is that proof that he killed her? I ask because of the death dates. They obviously don't have medical proof for TOD or they wouldn't keep changing it. They are changing it entirely based on the assumption that he was the killer. What if the woman and children actually were killed as late as 1984-85 by someone else? Did I miss something where they have something tying him to those murders beyond circumstances?

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This has actually crossed my mind as well for the same reasons you laid out. What kills these thoughts in my head is the isotopes. The three weren't with the daughter for very long. If he was gone, how did his daughter get with them?

 

[Owutatangledweb]

That's possible. I'm also thinking he was paying child support for 5 children by that point.
I wonder if there is a way to search old payroll records for wage garnishments and court records from the isotope areas to see if anyone had petitioned for child support from TR.

Why would he pay child support for that many children? I thought the other children in the barrels were not his.

 

[carbuff]

Why would he pay child support for that many children? I thought the other children in the barrels were not his.

Four from his marriage, and the daughter in the barrels.

Assuming he even knew about her. I can see scenarios where he wouldn't have known about her until she showed up on his doorstep.

The slides from the January press conference go into quite a bit of detail about the circumstantial evidence, like the wire and the barrels. It adds up.

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[Stephen2016]

When they mention tied with electrical wire, do they mean the bags were tied closed with electrical wire or there was electrical wire tied to the bodies. If anyone knows ? Listening to the 01/27 AG's PR they did mention garbage bags.
Also How long could the bodies have been there decomposing where they could tell one of the victims had pierced ears and pneumonia ? As someone has pointed out they were able to tell cause of death from the victims found in 1985 but not so evident for the victims found in 2000. So many questions that could possible clarify things. I'm assuming that if the AG knew of significant facts they would of stated them in the PR of 01/2017.

 

[Sherwood Park]

That's possible. I'm also thinking he was paying child support for 5 children by that point.
I wonder if there is a way to search old payroll records for wage garnishments and court records from the isotope areas to see if anyone had petitioned for child support from TR.

I highly doubt he was paying child support to his ex-wife. If he was paying child support they (the ex-wife and kids) would have somewhat of an idea of his whereabouts during that time.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

One of the problems for us and probably for LE too is that there isn't precise information about a lot of this. The age estimates are only estimates, and they change according to new information. When they did the DNA samples they also reviewed the post-mortem reports (probably did a new exam on the remains) and newer technology gave a narrower range of ages.

The changes in the time of death is interesting. Originally, back in 1985 when the first barrel was found, they had a very wide range, anything from 1975 to 1985. Then they narrowed it, and when they found the "Bob Evans" connection, they seemed to think it had to be 1980-81, though I don't recall seeing that specifically stated, just allusions to it being associated with when he and Denise left. And now they seem to have expanded it again. I presume there's no definitive evidence in the remains and they're going by the information they gather, or something.

It boils down to, I guess we have to keep open to a lot of possibilities.

P. S. sometimes the "thanks" or "like" button disappears for some reason. Usually it comes back if you refresh the papge.

Carbuff your spot on, the information is not definitive enough to say it hardcore facts. All you can do, is do the best one can and fill in the blanks in a manner that makes sense.




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[Owutatangledweb]

Four from his marriage, and the daughter in the barrels.

Assuming he even knew about her. I can see scenarios where he wouldn't have known about her until she showed up on his doorstep.

The slides from the January press conference go into quite a bit of detail about the circumstantial evidence, like the wire and the barrels. It adds up.

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Thank you for clarifying. I forgot about the four newly discovered children of his!! i don't have the divorce date handy but that is also an event that occurred in the traumatic event window and he may well have been trying to avoid child support. Perhaps some of the employment info has come from child support records? Those records would fall in the confidential category if support was handled through a child support enforcement agency. Last job in Texas in 78 and then he disappears. Not to mention that ANOTHER child was born during that time period, the middle child. Could have feared the same thing there and killed the mother.