NH NH/CA - Terry Peder Rasmussen, suspected SK, Allenstown, 1981-2000's - #3

[Stephen2016]

I highly doubt he was paying child support to his ex-wife. If he was paying child support they (the ex-wife and kids) would have somewhat of an idea of his whereabouts during that time.

Seems until 1978 he was using his name Rasmussen, but in 1978 when his divorce was finalized he changes his name. I wondered if he may of changed his name because he did not want to pay alimony / child support. Would imagine that he would of been ordered to pay those things. The fact they didn't know where he was doesn't mean they couldn't of tracked him down , specially if using his real name . <shrug>

 

[Alleykins]

I highly doubt he was paying child support to his ex-wife. If he was paying child support they (the ex-wife and kids) would have somewhat of an idea of his whereabouts during that time.

Owing child support and actually paying it are two different things, that is why I brought up wage garnishment. It seems more than a coincidence to me that the divorce is final in 1978, he quits a job that June, and he resurfaces in NH under a different name. With four, most likely 5 by that point, kids, he most likely was ordered to pay it. Whether he paid it or not is a good question.

 

[Alleykins]

Seems until 1978 he was using his name Rasmussen, but in 1978 when his divorce was finalized he changes his name. I wondered if he may of changed his name because he did not want to pay alimony / child support. Would imagine that he would of been ordered to pay those things. The fact they didn't know where he was doesn't mean they couldn't of tracked him down , specially if using his real name . <shrug>

My thinking exactly.

 

[Alleykins]

The answer would be No. There is no physical evidence tying him to Allenstown 4 murders. LE stated in conference that he is considered strong suspect due to middle child being his own daughter and the fact he knew place well and worked at area (camp ground and shop) where their bodies were found. Missing Denise (not Dawn/Lisa - I think typo in your post) is also only assumed murdered by him, no prove or not yet. All above are assumptions, albeit strong ones.

Could there be different killer of 4 of them in barrels? Yes. Could Bob/Terry abandon his bio daughter with someone the same way as he did with Lisa? Yes, he could. Although she was in that area only 3 weeks to 3 month (I have to double check that, but its definitely not 6 month as I previously thought), which leaves a bit short time frame for him to get her and then abandon her. Another possibility nobody mentioned yet, could adult female harm/killed his newly arrived daughter for whatever reason and he lost it killing rest of them?



This is actually not correct. Only 2 older victims in Allenstown, first barrel, were partially dismembered and had blunt force trauma or in more accurate terms they skulls were smashed in violently. Two young children victims in 2nd barrel were not dismembered and course of death was never determined. There were no physical signs of any traumatic injuries on their bones (no blunt force trauma, no signs of strangulation etc). It is assumed that it could be asphyxiation as everything else seemed to be ruled out.

Yes, Eunsoon Jun had blunt force trauma and was partially dismembered. NH LE did state that this is another reason/similarity why they considered Bob/Terry suspect in Allenstown 4 case .

Actually, Al Ka, I did mention the possibility that the middle child could have come to harm at the hands of the woman, either by accident or deliberately, I believe on the Allenstown thread shortly after it was discovered RE/TR was the middle child's daughter.

 

[Stephen2016]

Actually, Al Ka, I did mention the possibility that the middle child could have come to harm at the hands of the woman, either by accident or deliberately, I believe on the Allenstown thread shortly after it was discovered RE/TR was the middle child's daughter.

Goes to sensitivity to the isotope mapping:

If arrested in 02/1980 he names a spouse , Same for what 05/1980, 3 months ~ 10/1980 no spouse. , Not known if any children were living at 925 Hayward St. Why <shrug> . AG's PR not aware of any other location under any other alias if he was known to be with Children other than Lisa. I think that is what they said on 01/27/2017. Assuming the AG would of mentioned that if they knew about it. No statement since about being around other children anywhere. Last Press Release 08/2017. So between 02/05-1980 and 10/1980 his bio-daughter apparently is now in NH. 5 years later the partially decomposed first two victims are found. 20 years later the remains of the last 2 victims are found. Nov / Dec 925 Hayward St. he moves 3.25 years later he is living in California as an Electrician, 39 months later 3 years 3 months ~ .

1983 July 4th weekend the property / store / apartment there is a fire and the building is destroyed, 2yrs after he leaves 925 Hayward St. 28 months later 11/1985 The partially decomposed remains of the 1st 2 victims are found.

So based on Isotope mapping when was it probable that his bio-child shows up in NH and based on decomposition rates what was the date of demise. From the 01/2107 AG's PR the bodies were in garbage bags, in 55 gallon barrels. Found in 11/85 how many months / years prior were they in the barrels .

1. The Rate of Decay in a Corpse : http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/the-rate-of-decay-in-a-corpse.html

 

[Alleykins]

Sorry, I'm not understanding your reply as it relates to my post. I understand what you typed, but not sure how that addresses the possibility that the middle child could have been killed by the adult female. I'm not stating she was killed in a different place and time than the others, as it was established it was.
I was merely replying to Al Ka's statement:

Another possibility nobody mentioned yet, could adult female harm/killed his newly arrived daughter for whatever reason and he lost it killing rest of them?

because I had posited such a theory before. It wasn't widely received, as I recall, because the manner in which they were killed was the same, by the same weapon, or something like that.
The reason I had come up with that possibility was because an FBI profiler at one point stated that the crime was an act of sheer hatred (paraphrased) where I saw it as an act of rage. Once we found out about RE, it clicked and I realized where the hate could have come from. I can think of nothing more that could incite hatred in a parent than someone harming his child. So, I suggested the middle child died in the care of the adult female, either deliberately or by accident. This caused him to go into a blind fit of rage and kill the rest, at the same time.
I can't find the original post, it's possibly on one of the other RE threads and got sucked into the black hole when they opened a thread for him and took some of the posts about him to the Allenstown thread, but I'm certain I've posted the about the possibility before.

 

[Stephen2016]

Sorry, I'm not understanding your reply as it relates to my post. I understand what you typed, but not sure how that addresses the possibility that the middle child could have been killed by the adult female. I'm not stating she was killed in a different place and time than the others, as it was established it was.
I was merely replying to Al Ka's statement: because I had posited such a theory before. It wasn't widely received, as I recall, because the manner in which they were killed was the same, by the same weapon, or something like that.
The reason I had come up with that possibility was because an FBI profiler at one point stated that the crime was an act of sheer hatred (paraphrased) where I saw it as an act of rage. Once we found out about RE, it clicked and I realized where the hate could have come from. I can think of nothing more that could incite hatred in a parent than someone harming his child. So, I suggested the middle child died in the care of the adult female, either deliberately or by accident. This caused him to go into a blind fit of rage and kill the rest, at the same time.
I can't find the original post, it's possibly on one of the other RE threads and got sucked into the black hole when they opened a thread for him and took some of the posts about him to the Allenstown thread, but I'm certain I've posted the about the possibility before.

I wasn't trying to comment to your post.... I'm new to webslueths / posting.. I only see an arrow or something which I click and then a form comes up. I'm sorry about that.

I guess what I'm wondering is what is the most probable date of demise. I noticed also the wording the AG uses when mentioning evans as the killer, the partially decomposed remains in November of 1985 , the isotope mapping and I guess I'm still unsure as to a more precise timing of the events.

I'll have to check my browser to see if it's blocking something to click to just make a post.

 

[Al Ka]

Goes to sensitivity to the isotope mapping:

If arrested in 02/1980 he names a spouse , Same for what 05/1980, 3 months ~ 10/1980 no spouse. , Not known if any children were living at 925 Hayward St. Why <shrug> . AG's PR not aware of any other location under any other alias if he was known to be with Children other than Lisa. I think that is what they said on 01/27/2017. Assuming the AG would of mentioned that if they knew about it. No statement since about being around other children anywhere. Last Press Release 08/2017. So between 02/05-1980 and 10/1980 his bio-daughter apparently is now in NH. 5 years later the partially decomposed first two victims are found. 20 years later the remains of the last 2 victims are found. Nov / Dec 925 Hayward St. he moves 3.25 years later he is living in California as an Electrician, 39 months later 3 years 3 months ~ .

1983 July 4th weekend the property / store / apartment there is a fire and the building is destroyed, 2yrs after he leaves 925 Hayward St. 28 months later 11/1985 The partially decomposed remains of the 1st 2 victims are found.

So based on Isotope mapping when was it probable that his bio-child shows up in NH and based on decomposition rates what was the date of demise. From the 01/2107 AG's PR the bodies were in garbage bags, in 55 gallon barrels. Found in 11/85 how many months / years prior were they in the barrels .

1. The Rate of Decay in a Corpse : http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/the-rate-of-decay-in-a-corpse.html

My brain actually hurts from above, lol.

I am not sure what AG stands for but I assume LE? Just to comment on your last paragraph. We can't really accurately discuss decomposition rates of the bodies on very limited information that there are out there so far about their discovery and also while even LE is shifting date of demise every few month, so even they are unsure. LE did not disclose much about actual fact, but I remember they did stated in Jan conference that bodies were somehow or somewhat "packaged". I don't remember if it was about both barrels or just first one. That little detail, word, did stuck out for all of us here and it was discussed and speculated fully on. What did LE mean?

My own wild assumption and explanation was that Bob/Terry buried the bodies in his house/basement and covered with cement/concrete. When leaving NH he broke the cement to dig out/remove the remains, which would leave some cement haphazardly around the remains making them somewhat packaged. He put those "packaged" remains into barrel/s and dumped them in Bear Brook. Somewhere in the story garbage bags and wires come in as well, no idea again if in both of only one barrel.

Of course if anything even remotely like this happened it would preserve the body and decomposition would be completely different then under different circumstances, that is why my reasoning that it would be very difficult to discuss it because we simply do not know the details. Of course if anybody know or remember other details, please do share. Also please do share your idea of "packaged". (I know, gruesome.)

 

[Al Ka]

Sorry, I'm not understanding your reply as it relates to my post. I understand what you typed, but not sure how that addresses the possibility that the middle child could have been killed by the adult female. I'm not stating she was killed in a different place and time than the others, as it was established it was.
I was merely replying to Al Ka's statement: because I had posited such a theory before. It wasn't widely received, as I recall, because the manner in which they were killed was the same, by the same weapon, or something like that.
The reason I had come up with that possibility was because an FBI profiler at one point stated that the crime was an act of sheer hatred (paraphrased) where I saw it as an act of rage. Once we found out about RE, it clicked and I realized where the hate could have come from. I can think of nothing more that could incite hatred in a parent than someone harming his child. So, I suggested the middle child died in the care of the adult female, either deliberately or by accident. This caused him to go into a blind fit of rage and kill the rest, at the same time.
I can't find the original post, it's possibly on one of the other RE threads and got sucked into the black hole when they opened a thread for him and took some of the posts about him to the Allenstown thread, but I'm certain I've posted the about the possibility before.

Thank you, I do need to catch up again on other thread (Allenstown 4). And no, I have not seen it mentioned previously, so it was probably in victim's thread. Out of curiosity would love to see those replies to this. As you are stating probably not popular idea but we should definitely consider it imho. As far as I am aware nothing ruling out that possibility.

 

[SillyGoose01234]

I copied and pasted the link into the address bar of a browser and I was able to see the article.
https://www.newspapers.com/image/?spot=13179790

For some reason, I can't copy and paste it on my phone. And I really want to read that Union leader article. I haven't read anything else that said they moved the estimated murder date for the woman and children back to the late 1970's.

I was under the impression that BE and the man who owns the property where the bodies were found didn't meet until the 1980's when the property owner started working at the mill (BE was already an employee there).


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[SillyGoose01234]

The answer would be No. There is no physical evidence tying him to Allenstown 4 murders. LE stated in conference that he is considered strong suspect due to middle child being his own daughter and the fact he knew place well and worked at area (camp ground and shop) where their bodies were found. Missing Denise (not Dawn/Lisa - I think typo in your post) is also only assumed murdered by him, no prove or not yet. All above are assumptions, albeit strong ones.

Could there be different killer of 4 of them in barrels? Yes. Could Bob/Terry abandon his bio daughter with someone the same way as he did with Lisa? Yes, he could. Although she was in that area only 3 weeks to 3 month (I have to double check that, but its definitely not 6 month as I previously thought), which leaves a bit short time frame for him to get her and then abandon her. Another possibility nobody mentioned yet, could adult female harm/killed his newly arrived daughter for whatever reason and he lost it killing rest of them?



This is actually not correct. Only 2 older victims in Allenstown, first barrel, were partially dismembered and had blunt force trauma or in more accurate terms they skulls were smashed in violently. Two young children victims in 2nd barrel were not dismembered and course of death was never determined. There were no physical signs of any traumatic injuries on their bones (no blunt force trauma, no signs of strangulation etc). It is assumed that it could be asphyxiation as everything else seemed to be ruled out.

Yes, Eunsoon Jun had blunt force trauma and was partially dismembered. NH LE did state that this is another reason/similarity why they considered Bob/Terry suspect in Allenstown 4 case .

Actually both of the younger children were killed by blunt force trauma as well. They were not dismembered, leading me to believe he dismembered bodies for transportation only.

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/05/16/small-town-mystery-family-members-found-dead-in-barrels/


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[SillyGoose01234]

When they mention tied with electrical wire, do they mean the bags were tied closed with electrical wire or there was electrical wire tied to the bodies. If anyone knows ? Listening to the 01/27 AG's PR they did mention garbage bags.
Also How long could the bodies have been there decomposing where they could tell one of the victims had pierced ears and pneumonia ? As someone has pointed out they were able to tell cause of death from the victims found in 1985 but not so evident for the victims found in 2000. So many questions that could possible clarify things. I'm assuming that if the AG knew of significant facts they would of stated them in the PR of 01/2017.

Blunt force trauma was the cause of death for the victims found in 2000 as well.

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/05/16/small-town-mystery-family-members-found-dead-in-barrels/


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[Al Ka]

Just for recoup those mystery years:

- Sept 1977 - death of his father
- Jun 1978 - worked in Houston, Texas still under his real name for the Brown & Root Company (currently KBR). Record indicates he “quit to work elsewhere.” (not stated how long or if started or left in June, probably left)
- Sometime in 1978 - he contacts friend in Arizona and asks for money. He states he is in Texas working on an oil rig.
- Sept 28, 1978 - his divorce is finalized without him present, his whereabouts unknown by family
- Dec 1978 - death of his younger brother in Alabama
- Dec 23 (his real birthday 1943) - he was 35 that year
- Sometime in 1978-1979 (approx.) - worked at Waumbec Mills as electrician, Bob Evans
- Dec 21, 1979 - issued bad check (insufficient funds)
- Feb 1980 - arrested in Manchester, NH as Robert T. Evans for issuing a bad check on Dec 21, 1979

- Somewhere possibly around 1976 till end of 1978 his "middle" child, daughter is born (under assumption that death occurred in 1980)

I still really wonder if he ever lived in Bear Brooks/Allenstown. (Prior to arriving to Manchester or after Manchester, Nov 21, 1981)

 

[Al Ka]

Thank you SillyGoose, I must have read different news articles on children as I did search for this information specifically. I am going to read up your links. Thank you, will be glad to be corrected.

For some reason, I can't copy and paste it on my phone. And I really want to read that Union leader article. I haven't read anything else that said they moved the estimated murder date for the woman and children back to the late 1970's.

I was under the impression that BE and the man who owns the property where the bodies were found didn't meet until the 1980's when the property owner started working at the mill (BE was already an employee there).


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Link what you are looking for http://www.unionleader.com/crime/in...-yield-new-clues--20170820&template=mobileart Maybe try on different device, it works fine for me.

Kokoski said the Evans/Rasmussen case has been "priority number one" for his cold case unit this year. He said investigators believe that the Allenstown victims were likely killed in the late 1970s.

That's also the time that Rasmussen began using aliases.

There is nothing else or more stated about it though. I am not sure I would take it very literally. If year of 78 or 79 was confirmed that would amend many timelines, interesting thought.

Your comment in original post about shop owner meeting Bob at Mill, who you stating was already working there. Very intriguing and have not heard of it before. May I ask was this really confirmed? Where is this information from? That is quite important info imho.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

There is a video believe it may have been NCME where the artist that recreated their images shows TR's child's skull and the area where there is damage .. its very quick he says blunt force trauma to the head with an object pointing to the image and I recall correctly he said with something like a brick.

Also recall that LE was not saying how the (2) youngest were killed

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[Al Ka]

Oh, gosh, thank you. I think I will read up and search when I wake up, too gruesome. I think I will be checking dates from now on of those articles, just to be sure what and where was written or what is old or incorrect/misinterpreted info.

 

[Gardener1850]

There is a video believe it may have been NCME where the artist that recreated their images shows TR's child's skull and the area where there is damage .. its very quick he says blunt force trauma to the head with an object pointing to the image and I recall correctly he said with something like a brick.

Also recall that LE was not saying how the (2) youngest were killed

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I think this is the video you are thinking of:
[video=youtube;MrNG9u3nncs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrNG9u3nncs[/video]

It shows a computer recreation of the small child's skull and later says all 4 victims died from blunt force trauma.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Oh, gosh, thank you. I think I will read up and search when I wake up, too gruesome. I think I will be checking dates from now on of those articles, just to be sure what and where was written or what is old or incorrect/misinterpreted info.

Totally agree it is a very gruesome and sad case AlKa. Yes, there is a lot of information out there from over the years its a lot to absorb. Your doing a great job very fact driven and level headed


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[Al Ka]

Please nobody post while I am asleep and by the way

Stephen2016 :welcome6: to Websleuths

 

[folieadeuxnola]

I think this is the video you are thinking of:
[video=youtube;MrNG9u3nncs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrNG9u3nncs[/video]

It shows a computer recreation of the small child's skull and later says all 4 victims died from blunt force trauma.

TY yes thats it ... Was recalling the video from my vague senior moment memory : )


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