NH NH/CA - Terry Peder Rasmussen, suspected SK, Allenstown, 1981-2000's - #3

[Stephen2016]

That's not him in the 1978 Hawaii directory. That TR is still alive.

Thanks !
I have no way to know that.. I just saw it and wondered "IF".

 

[Gardener1850]

Thanks !
I have no way to know that.. I just saw it and wondered "IF".

I know because I went down the same rabbit hole in the past. If you search for the wife's name you might be able to confirm it to your own satisfaction.

 

[Springrain]

My new theory is that his deceased daughter's mom was from either Texas or Arizona, probably Texas, and she gave birth to the girl in Arizona 1974-1978. The 4 were most likely killed between 1978-1981, and she was around 4 when she died - poor angel Terry left shortly after her birth and went back and forth between Texas and Arizona. Then in/around June 1978, something happened with the mom (possibly him murdering her), and he took her and got more expenses, hence asking for money from the friend. Part of me doubts it though, because his ex and kids were still in Arizona I believe, so why would he be there? but he seemed to return there a lot. And it's a pretty big state. My other theory is basically the same thing but she was born in Idaho and that's why he was familiar with Idaho, either she and/or her mom were from Idaho. I know Idaho is barely on the isotope analysis but just a thought. Or maybe Colorado, he may have returned to his birth state at some point. I'm assuming his older family was in Hawaii at that point? I may be entirely wrong.

If only we could find out if he had a connection to the other isotope states, especially The Dakotas and Nebraska. The possible St. Louis connection is interesting but since it doesn't pop up on the isotopes, I'm not too sure.

I actually don't think anymore that identifying his daughter will lead to identifying the other 3, BUT I do think it will lead to another major discovery, possibly him dating/doing a backyard wedding with her mother, and later murdering her like Eunsoon Jun. I don't think her mom is a UID, but I think she is no longer alive. Someone related to her has to be wondering where she is, maybe remembering her last being seen with her weird boyfriend with another alias we don't know about.

I just have no idea about the other 3 victims. I think if one of those victims are identified, the other 2 will be as well. I'm pretty sure it was a mom and two daughters. But I'm most mystified on Terry's poor daughter, I really think there is something there that will just show how utterly evil he was but possibly solve more cases and answer more questions as well as hopefully bringing her home at long last :rose:

 

[Alleykins]

IIRC TR said he was born in WY, but it turns out his father was, and TR was born in CO. Parts of both of those states fall in line with MC's isotope area. Following the Rasmussen family trees on ancestry sites, he had a large extended family in that area. I hope investigators reached out to cousins, etc, to see if he showed up there with a child and SO before NH.

 

[Springrain]

IIRC TR said he was born in WY, but it turns out his father was, and TR was born in CO. Parts of both of those states fall in line with MC's isotope area. Following the Rasmussen family trees on ancestry sites, he had a large extended family in that area. I hope investigators reached out to cousins, etc, to see if he showed up there with a child and SO before NH.

Hmm, didn't know about the ancestry sites part. Very interesting. Colorado is starting to make more sense...

 

[Springrain]

Ok, now that I've digested it for another 20 minutes, I'm actually convinced his murdered daughter was from Colorado. Terry's family history there, combined with him liking to go back to the same place multiple times (CA, AZ). Sorry if this has been brought up, this thread has so much info!

 

[Alleykins]

Hmm, didn't know about the ancestry sites part. Very interesting. Colorado is starting to make more sense...

If you type in TR's name and CO, I think you will come up with a few sites where one of his daughters gives a little family history in a forum, and a family tree. Not a lot of info in both, just a little nugget or two.

 

[Gardener1850]

Has anyone brought up Nichole Fielding as a possible victim?

Not much info yet on her case: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...8-Porter-11-July-1986&p=13989302#post13989302

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/show/37676

See also the link in post#129 by Cofffee56 here: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-18-21-10-July-1991-3&p=13989251#post13989251

That says "Fielding left behind two children, whose names are not known." Odd that they have a missing person who they know had children but they don't know the children's names? Could the children be missing too? We need help finding a more official source about the children and a photo/more info on Nichole. TIA.

 

[carbuff]

Has anyone brought up Nichole Fielding as a possible victim?

Not much info yet on her case: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...8-Porter-11-July-1986&p=13989302#post13989302

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/show/37676

See also the link in post#129 by Cofffee56 here: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-18-21-10-July-1991-3&p=13989251#post13989251

That says "Fielding left behind two children, whose names are not known." Odd that they have a missing person who they know had children but they don't know the children's names? Could the children be missing too? We need help finding a more official source about the children and a photo/more info on Nichole. TIA.

Possible but since she does have DNA, she should have turned up as connected to any of the Allenstown victims.

 

[Gardener1850]

Possible but since she does have DNA, she should have turned up as connected to any of the Allenstown victims.

She went missing in 1986 so I agree not likely to be an Allenstown victim. What caught my attention is the part about the children. Could one of her children have been TR's biological daughter? If the mother of TR's daughter is in the system would that flag the DNA? I feel like it would have to be looked at by hand since the DNA in the system for Nichole is not likely her own DNA but a close relatives instead. But I'm not sure how sensitive the automatic match suggestions are with regard to degrees of relative separation.

My other thought on Nichole's children is that they could be the additional children seen with TR and Lisa in California (but I need to go back and look at the timeline for that sighting).

ETA: TR showed up in the California trailer park alone with Lisa in the Summer of 1986 so the timeline may be tight for him to have picked up Nichole and her children in Oklahoma but it's possible. Lisa did reference having siblings who died.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ly-new-life/vCCxbYYUD63kjIoIMJQiWM/story.html
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?347276-Terry-Peder-Rasmussen-Media-Timelines-Photos-*NO-DISCUSSION&p=13579683#post13579683

ETA2: It was June 1986 when he abandoned Lisa (and he was in CA in January): http://www.wmur.com/article/case-timeline-man-known-as-bob-evans-connected-to-6-killings/8643018
So it seems unlikely since Nicole went missing in July 1986-- unless TR had her children for some reason and she went to look for him/them in July. :thinking:
Anyway, would be good to find out more about her children and if they are missing.

 

[Alleykins]

If the MC's mother is in the system (or gets added), either as an MP or UP, it should match. I think the A4 victims' profiles are mtDNA only because they don't have strong profiles, but somehow, they were able to compare the MC's to TR's. That they were able to do that kind of contradicted what the AG said in the 2015 PC when asked about comparing the victims' DNA to the criminal DB. He said they were so weak, and the protocols were different, that he wouldn't trust the results.

 

[carbuff]

If the MC's mother is in the system (or gets added), either as an MP or UP, it should match. I think the A4 victims' profiles are mtDNA only because they don't have strong profiles, but somehow, they were able to compare the MC's to TR's. That they were able to do that kind of contradicted what the AG said in the 2015 PC when asked about comparing the victims' DNA to the criminal DB. He said they were so weak, and the protocols were different, that he wouldn't trust the results.

They redid the DNA after that using new techniques, didn't they? And got good results for at least one of the girls? They couldn't have excluded TR as the father based on having only weak or mtDNA profiles.

 

[carbuff]

Ran across this baby girl missing from California in 1977: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3011dfca.html

Her mother was murdered. Not much other information.

She has DNA so she can't be any of TR's known victims, but I don't think we know all of his victims yet.

 

[msphilosopher]

Do we have anymore details on health conditions of the A4 victims?

It was reported they had pneumonia if I'm not mistaken. For how long? Long term or more recent?

How common was it in the 70s to have the body of a relative relocated to your state, if they died in another state?

This might be far fetched, but what if Terry told A3 victim's family that he was taking them somewhere else for better medical attention?

What if A3 victim's family knew they were sick or were terminal?

Could it be possible that TR murdered these victims and then told the family they passed due to their health complications?

I suppose this is very doubtful and the family would want to be apart of the burial unless TR told them after the supposed burial... or the family had their own funeral without the bodies.

Was just trying to think outside the box with the pneumonia lead and then thought of this.. idk. Might be stupid.

 

[Stephen2016]

I've been wondering about why he seems to have connected with women with children and one thought I'v tossed around is could it be he met woman who were single with children and they could possibly apply and be accepted for state assistance " welfare" ?

I seem to recall something to the effect of what Eunsoon Jun had said .".... lazy and didn't want to work or have children " <shrug>

Maybe the missing victims in Allenstown are listed on one of the state agency lists of those that needed assistance but suddenly were gone . <shrug> I guess it's not known if they were mother daughter and sisters and the father of these girls also doesn't seem to be looking for them. Was he involved or was he not around , though if they are sisters he had to be around for what 7 or 8 years.

Anyways, I'm just wondering if they could be on some state agency's list.

Another thought is did they ever say what the murder weapon was in Eunsoon's death ?

 

[Alleykins]

I think he may have targeted single, poor women with children because they were vulnerable and probably desperate for a significant other, maybe some financial assistance from him. He probably also wanted access to their children, so far, his known victims had daughters (except for Jun).

 

[Stephen2016]

I think he may have targeted single, poor women with children because they were vulnerable and probably desperate for a significant other, maybe some financial assistance from him. He probably also wanted access to their children, so far, his known victims had daughters (except for Jun).

But did they collect assistance, then suddenly not.


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[Stephen2016]

But did they collect assistance, then suddenly not.


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I'm thinking that if the woman with the 2 kids before she met Evans or even when she met Evans assuming she did, then maybe she applied for some type of assistance I would imagine raising two kids now is tough would of been the same back then as well. No husband apparently has reported his wife and two kids missing assuming they were siblings she would of needed or could have applied for some type of public assistance. I know there were social services agencies back then if they kept records maybe they can be identified from those records. Not sure if the IRS would of kept track of anything like that. I know, they have recorded how much money I was making from way back. Either way someone somewhere had records if those records still exist or have been destroyed don't know. I think there is a good chance a woman with 2 kids applied for or was receiving assistance maybe even lived at 925 Hayward street in Manchester NH.

Just wondering. <shrug>

 

[msphilosopher]

Sandra Jo Pittman, 17yo
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Could be possible victim of TR IMO
http://www.iowaunsolvedmurders.com/...thrown-away-murder-of-sandra-jo-pittman-1980/

 

[Piknik]

Sandra Jo Pittman, 17yo
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Could be possible victim of TR IMO
http://www.iowaunsolvedmurders.com/...thrown-away-murder-of-sandra-jo-pittman-1980/

Based on what? No evidence suggest TR was in the midwest.