NH NH/CA - Terry Peder Rasmussen, suspected SK, Allenstown, 1981-2000's - #3

[msphilosopher]

Based on what? No evidence suggest TR was in the midwest.

Evidence TR was in midwest states:
- Isotopes of his bio daughter include midwest states
- He's a drifter with LARGE gaps in his confirmed whereabouts so anywhere is possible
- Midwest states are between CA - NH
- Difference in A4 isotopes could indicate TR traveled back and forth between areas (NH - midwest states)

Specific indications she could be a possible victim of TR's:
- Bludgeoned to death, skull fractures -- TR's MO
- 1980 timeframe fits IF he was indeed drifting between midwest and NH
- There's a man in his 30s investigators believed could be connect to her death, who they have never identified or talked to, TR was in his late 30s at the time
- TR seems to have targeted vulnerable, young, poor woman.... victim hadn't been living with her family for 3 years, was a drop out, had no job, was poor, and potentially living with an older man (unsure if that's the same man they haven't talked to, it didn't specify)

Unlikely she is a victim of TR's, but I saw some general parallels with what we know about TR, a time connection and possible geo connection.

Since bio daughter is most likely from the mid west and she ended up murdered in NH, I think there is a very strong possibility TR drifted and spent a significant amount of time in the midwest from 1975 - 1980, his whereabouts are unknown during this time.

 

[carbuff]

We know he has connections to Colorado, Wyoming, and Idaho. And it's pretty hard to get from Colorado, Wyoming, and Idaho without going through the midwest.

 

[Al Ka]

By the end of 1979 and whole 1980 Terry was established and had a house in NH. I don't see him dating and killing 17 year old at other side of states, in Iowa (due to location and timeframe).

Death by blunt force trauma is also quite common manner of death where foul play is involved. All in my humble opinion.

 

[carbuff]

By the end of 1979 and whole 1980 Terry was established and had a house in NH. I don't see him dating and killing 17 year old at other side of states, in Iowa (due to location and timeframe).

Death by blunt force trauma is also quite common manner of death where foul play is involved. All in my humble opinion.

I don't think this particular victim is very likely to be one of his victims, but just because he had a job and residence in New Hampshire doesn't mean he couldn't have traveled and had sexual encounters in other states.

 

[aThousandYearsWide]

I don't think this particular victim is very likely to be one of his victims, but just because he had a job and residence in New Hampshire doesn't mean he couldn't have traveled and had sexual encounters in other states.

Also his daughter had different isotopes then the A4. And the general belief is that they were killed in 1980 and TR could have been in NH as early as 1978. His daughter was estimated to have been there with the A4 for only a couple of months so she could have lived somewhere else and TR went and got her during that time.

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[Alleykins]

Also his daughter had different isotopes then the A4. And the general belief is that they were killed in 1980 and TR could have been in NH as early as 1978. His daughter was estimated to have been there with the A4 for only a couple of months so she could have lived somewhere else and TR went and got her during that time.

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The way I understood the isotope timeline was that TR's daughter had been in NH for 2 weeks to 3 months prior to her death and was in her isotope area prior to that. The related 3 were only in NH for that amount of time, too, prior to their deaths. 3-7 months prior to being in NH, the related 3 were in a more northern climate.
However, they never said if that northern area was the same northern/more inland area as TR's daughter. Once the four were together for that 2 weeks to 3 months prior to their deaths, they lived as a unit (according their isotopes, the AG said they ate the same food and drank the same water).
That's how I understood it from the 2015 press conference.

 

[carbuff]

I'm kind of picturing a scene where he gets home from work and finds his current lover sitting in the kitchen having tea with his old lover and the kid he'd never seen before--and managing to hold it together for a couple of weeks before losing it totally and killing them all.

 

[Al Ka]

I'm kind of picturing a scene where he gets home from work and finds his current lover sitting in the kitchen having tea with his old lover and the kid he'd never seen before--and managing to hold it together for a couple of weeks before losing it totally and killing them all.

Wow, brilliant. This would actually fit into my hypothesis and calculations in children's thread. Kid as you referenced he never seen before (not talking litterally never seen) would be though the eldest child.

Eldest child could have lived in near vicinity or the neighbourhood but not permanently at their house or not always - everyday with them. (Could be staying sometimes with dad, moving between families there, some friends in the area or perhaps staying at "special" school for most days). That is why eldest child might also not have been mentioned on police reports during Terry's arrests from 1980s (because she just was not there at their house at that time).

One more reason why eldest child might not have been mentioned by Terry even if she could have lived with them most of the time - If she was indeed child called by today standards with special needs. Terry was after all old school and frown upon such a things. My memory is a bit blurry on this part but did not he referenced in later years about disabled child with somewhat older woman?

Copy pasting from children's thread (approximate calculations of childrens ages during different timeframes but zooming on 79/80)

Children ages in 1977

- child #4 was born between 1977 and 1979 (estimated age 2-3 years) - in 77 - heavily pregnant or just conceived?
- child #3 was born between 1976 and 1978 (estimated age 3-4 years) - 77- she would be around 1 year or just born
- child #2 was born between 1970 and 1972 (estimated age 9-10 years) - in 77 -she would be around 6 - 7 years old

With new information since above calculation were made, we now know that Terry left Texas in June/July 1978 and he could be in NH only sometimes after that. Earliest confirmed sighting is December of 1979 when he already resided in house on Hayward Street, Manchester and when Elizabeth signed for recorded delivery letter from police to him.

Now, the ages of the same children end of 1979/Feb 1980 if we look at upper limits of birth year:
- child #4 was born between 1977 and 1979 (estimated age 2-3 years at death) - 79 - newly born (few month) up to 2 years
- child #3 was born between 1976 and 1978 (estimated age 3-4 years) - in 79 - 2 years old up to 3 years old
- child #2 was born between 1970 and 1972 (estimated age 9-10 years) - in 79 - she would be around 8 - 9 years old

As per above end of 1970 beginning of 1980 estimated ages of victim 4, youngest child in the barrel would be few month old and victim 3, middle child (his own child) would be around 2 years old. Both ages do correspond with what Terry reported to police in January/February 1980 of having 2 year old and 6 month old.

This leads to two conclusions.
- If death occured sometime in 1980 as many assume then estimated age of skeletal remains of children by LE could be wrong.
- If estimated age of children by LE is correct then death occured only after 1980. As per calculations it would point to years between 1981 and the latest 1983.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...mp-3-Children-found-Nov-85-amp-May-00-2/page3

 

[aThousandYearsWide]

Wow, brilliant. This would actually fit into my hypothesis and calculations in children's thread. Kid as you referenced he never seen before (not talking litterally never seen) would be though the eldest child.

Eldest child could have lived in near vicinity or the neighbourhood but not permanently at their house or not always - everyday with them. (Could be staying sometimes with dad, moving between families there, some friends in the area or perhaps staying at "special" school for most days). That is why eldest child might also not have been mentioned on police reports during Terry's arrests from 1980s (because she just was not there at their house at that time).

One more reason why eldest child might not have been mentioned by Terry even if she could have lived with them most of the time - If she was indeed child called by today standards with special needs. Terry was after all old school and frown upon such a things. My memory is a bit blurry on this part but did not he referenced in later years about disabled child with somewhat older woman?

Copy pasting from children's thread (approximate calculations of childrens ages during different timeframes but zooming on 79/80)



https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...mp-3-Children-found-Nov-85-amp-May-00-2/page3

Yes, in TR's 'biography' that he gave to the couple thinking about adopting Lisa. He said the mother was older and he feared she would be born disabled...And some weird statement about burying her near an ant hill...Or something along those lines.

I think Carbuff was referring to potentially TR's biological daughter entering the picture. I have wondered about the oldest child too! My thought was she was the adult's sister and the older sister took her in after their mother died. Which is why no one reported them if their only close relative passed recently.

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[carbuff]

Yes, in TR's 'biography' that he gave to the couple thinking about adopting Lisa. He said the mother was older and he feared she would be born disabled...And some weird statement about burying her near an ant hill...Or something along those lines.

I think Carbuff was referring to potentially TR's biological daughter entering the picture. I have wondered about the oldest child too! My thought was she was the adult's sister and the older sister took her in after their mother died. Which is why no one reported them if their only close relative passed recently.

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Yes, I was thinking more of his daughter, but there are several possibilities.

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[folieadeuxnola]

Would love to have a new update .... has been since Nov nearly 6 months .. surely there has been some progress in the case. FTV has not been on here in awhile either ..:thinking: Hope we hear some good news soon

 

[carbuff]

Would love to have a new update .... has been since Nov nearly 6 months .. surely there has been some progress in the case. FTV has not been on here in awhile either ..:thinking: Hope we hear some good news soon

They seem to have been updating a lot of old cases and adding new ones to Namus, especially the missing women from that part of the state, so I think they might be going back over all their cases to see whether there's something they missed back then that now makes sense. That's just a guess, though.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

link for Ida Faye Basco. She also has a WS thread.

http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=509

Stinks of terry Peder Rasmussen to me. Does she look pregnant in this picture? Does anyone know her ancestry? Do we know this boyfriend's name with whom she disappeared?

I didn't find a Namus page. Anyone else want to check?

 

[carbuff]

link for Ida Faye Basco. She also has a WS thread.

http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=509

Stinks of terry Peder Rasmussen to me. Does she look pregnant in this picture? Does anyone know her ancestry? Do we know this boyfriend's name with whom she disappeared?

I didn't find a Namus page. Anyone else want to check?

I found this: https://m.facebook.com/lsufaceslab/posts/854845084690725

Which led me to this: http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=752

I don't think it's him. TR has that scoopy nose and this guy's is arched.

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[Alleykins]

Also, it says Robert's DNA is available. I'm thinking it would have dinged something if it were TR when they matched him to the middle child.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Thanks cArbuff for taking that further. You're right. His nose is too pointy. Thanks Alley. I just didn't realize this guy was known.

Now I'm looking at the following. I think we may have discussed this before in another case or this one, but this time the "Lisa"s last name jumped out at me.

https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.shaw/1425/mb.ashx

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I am still wondering if Ida's DNA IS IN CODIS.

 

[Al Ka]

Also, it says Robert's DNA is available. I'm thinking it would have dinged something if it were TR when they matched him to the middle child.

Not really sure it would ding. Terry's and middle's child comparison was done manually. We do not know if children's DNA's are in Codis, if profiles were strong enough for that. Also not sure if Terry's DNA is in any database or only with LE.

 

[Al Ka]

Thanks cArbuff for taking that further. You're right. His nose is too pointy. Thanks Alley. I just didn't realize this guy was known.

Now I'm looking at the following. I think we may have discussed this before in another case or this one, but this time the "Lisa"s last name jumped out at me.

https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.shaw/1425/mb.ashx

Strangely enough I was staring at the same ancestry post last month. Yes, it immediately reminded me of Terry. Not just Lisa and that surname but also missing Elizabeth.

 

[Al Ka]

I am still wondering if Ida's DNA IS IN CODIS.

I know it does not answer your question but here is Ida's thread https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...a-Basco-Roubique-23-Baton-Rouge-15-March-1979