NH NH/CA - Terry Peder Rasmussen, suspected SK, Allenstown, 1981-2000's - #3

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If Terry Rasmussen left Brown and Root in 1978, and arrived in New Hampshire in 1978/79 - and his daughter was killed with the unidentified woman and her two children around the same time in October (ish) 1980... AND, that his daughter was approximately 4 years old (which means she spent at least half of her life in the Manchester area) wouldn't you think that alone would be reflected on her isotopic analysis chart? There is nothing on her chart whatsoever that indicates she ever lived in the state of NH - and that alone makes me question the results of the tests.

It's either that, or he killed his daughter almost immediately after arriving in NH and before he established a relationship with the Unidentified Woman, and simply reused the barrel later when he killed the others.
I have found nothing to indicate that they were all murdered at the same time.... only that they were found together in their individual barrels at the separate times they were discovered.
This could be significant because it could reflect the original timeline that was released a little better. Depending on the circumstances of why it was changed - and I hope it wasn't for a vague memory-, it could establish a potential timeline for the child and her mother.

I recently came across a Jane Doe, that does not have dna on file, was reputed to have had a child within the year of her death, and did not match any local females that were missing at the time in that general area.

https://identifyus.org/cases/15854

Now, let's assume the family seen Terry in 1974 around December.
This woman was with him, she might have been 8 or 12 weeks pregnant at the time. She gives birth in June or thereabouts in 1975 - probably on Phoenix AZ, because Rasmussen has a felony charge for there dated June 11th. They leave. She is murdered in October 1975, when the baby is 4 months old. Rasmussen leaves again with the baby, and the next entry on his timeline is in June 1978 when he leaves the Brown and Root Co in Texas.
He starts work at Waumbec Mills in NH in 1978/1979, but he kills his daughter almost immediately when he establishes a new relationship and family with the Unidentified female. This would reflect at least the beginning of 1980 when she signed for a registered letter on his behalf as Elizabeth Evans. That would make his daughter as of January 1980, 4 and a half, but considering one does not just assume the role of wife straight off, I'd say it might have taken a few months to establish that sort of a relationship, which means he may have killed his daughter some time in 1978 or 1979, making her age anywhere from 3 to 4. The chances are, maybe the Unidentified female and her children never met his daughter.


Keeping in mind, this is only one theory that reflects the original timeline based on the daughters isotopic chart - which I might add, also does not include Texas.
I guess it all depends on how long he was in Texas for.
 
  • #662
I recently came across a Jane Doe, that does not have dna on file, was reputed to have had a child within the year of her death, and did not match any local females that were missing at the time in that general area.

https://identifyus.org/cases/15854

Now, let's assume the family seen Terry in 1974 around December.
This woman was with him, she might have been 8 or 12 weeks pregnant at the time. She gives birth in June or thereabouts in 1975 - probably on Phoenix AZ, because Rasmussen has a felony charge for there dated June 11th. They leave. She is murdered in October 1975, when the baby is 4 months old. Rasmussen leaves again with the baby, and the next entry on his timeline is in June 1978 when he leaves the Brown and Root Co in Texas.
He starts work at Waumbec Mills in NH in 1978/1979, but he kills his daughter almost immediately when he establishes a new relationship and family with the Unidentified female. This would reflect at least the beginning of 1980 when she signed for a registered letter on his behalf as Elizabeth Evans. That would make his daughter as of January 1980, 4 and a half, but considering one does not just assume the role of wife straight off, I'd say it might have taken a few months to establish that sort of a relationship, which means he may have killed his daughter some time in 1978 or 1979, making her age anywhere from 3 to 4. The chances are, maybe the Unidentified female and her children never met his daughter.


Keeping in mind, this is only one theory that reflects the original timeline based on the daughters isotopic chart - which I might add, also does not include Texas.
I guess it all depends on how long he was in Texas for.[/QUOTE]


Just wanted to mention the timeline :

"1975 or 1976, December RASMUSSEN arrives unexpectedly to visit his wife and children in Payson, AZ. He is in the company of an unidentified female.RASMUSSEN indicates he was living at the Casa Del Rey Apartments in Ingleside, TX. This is the last time RASMUSSEN’s family ever sees him." 1. https://www.doj.nh.gov/media-center.../20171102-information-allenstown-timeline.pdf

myself wondering why there is no exact date of his "Alleged" , employment at Waumbec, was he the head electrician there , he was bouncing checks as 12/21/1979 and stealing electricity in 1980. Anyways he may have been in Arizona / California on that surprise visit later than 1974; in my opinion *imo*
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Great article. Fascinating.


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I didn't realise they'd uploaded TR's DNA to genealogy sites. I thought it was just Dawn's.

I must have totally missed that.

That's not what the article said. Not what was meant.
 
  • #668

The Cold Case That Inspired the ‘Golden State Killer’ Detective to Try Genealogy


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/us/golden-state-killer-genealogy.html

A few references in the article on TR and A4

Thank you for the article.

Unfortunately whoever wrote this article did fit the details to match his/her story and we all know details are different than described here. I applaud new publicity to the case, but no so twisting a story. But hey, that has been done in so many articles willingly or not about the Bear Brook case.

Golden State Killer LE did find him due to genealogy site and search of DNA. As DNA Doe project stated to clarify concerned people it was not through Ancestry23 or other site, (as they do not approve testing DNA without consent or in criminal cases,) but through GedMatch. https://www.facebook.com/DNADoeProject/

In Bear Brook case, it was Lisa (who is well and alive) who with help of genealogist was searching through her own ancestry and DNA. Her DNA lead to her family on East Coast - NH and after that to links in Bear Brooks. It was her DNA and with her consent that it was compared to Terry/Bob and others.

So yes, DNA is involved in both cases, but completely different use and results.

Just to add: Shortly after Lisa's connection to the case came out, Terry's true identity has been found due to renewed publicity accross states about him and the case. Again, living ancestor's DNA, with his consent was compared and matched Terry's.
 
  • #669
Comments in red added by me.

If Terry Rasmussen left Brown and Root in 1978, and arrived in New Hampshire in 1978/79 - and his daughter was killed with the unidentified woman and her two children around the same time in October (ish) 1980 (so far this is an assumption)... AND, that his daughter was approximately 4 years old (which means she spent at least half of her life in the Manchester area) (why would that mean that??? Based on what?) wouldn't you think that alone would be reflected on her isotopic analysis chart? There is nothing on her chart whatsoever that indicates she ever lived in the state of NH (isotops do point that she did spent short period of time weeks up to 3 month in NH just before her death)- and that alone makes me question the results of the tests.

It's either that, or he killed his daughter almost immediately after arriving in NH and before he established a relationship with the Unidentified Woman, and simply reused the barrel later when he killed the others.
I have found nothing to indicate that they were all murdered at the same time (it was stated at press conference by LE that they believe they were all killed at the same time).... only that they were found together in their individual barrels at the separate times they were discovered.
This could be significant because it could reflect the original timeline that was released a little better. Depending on the circumstances of why it was changed - and I hope it wasn't for a vague memory-, it could establish a potential timeline for the child and her mother.

I recently came across a Jane Doe, that does not have dna on file, was reputed to have had a child within the year of her death, and did not match any local females that were missing at the time in that general area.

https://identifyus.org/cases/15854

Now, let's assume the family seen Terry in 1974 around December. (it was established that it could have been later then that year, 1975 or 1976, but yes around Xmas time, Terry's birthday)
This woman was with him, she might have been 8 or 12 weeks pregnant at the time. She gives birth in June or thereabouts in 1975 - probably on Phoenix AZ, because Rasmussen has a felony charge for there dated June 11th. They leave. She is murdered in October 1975, when the baby is 4 months old. Rasmussen leaves again with the baby, and the next entry on his timeline is in June 1978 when he leaves the Brown and Root Co in Texas.
He starts work at Waumbec Mills in NH in 1978/1979, but he kills his daughter almost immediately when he establishes a new relationship and family with the Unidentified female. This would reflect at least the beginning of 1980 when she signed for a registered letter on his behalf as Elizabeth Evans. That would make his daughter as of January 1980, 4 and a half, but considering one does not just assume the role of wife straight off, I'd say it might have taken a few months to establish that sort of a relationship, which means he may have killed his daughter some time in 1978 or 1979, making her age anywhere from 3 to 4. The chances are, maybe the Unidentified female and her children never met his daughter.


Keeping in mind, this is only one theory that reflects the original timeline based on the daughters isotopic chart - which I might add, also does not include Texas.
I guess it all depends on how long he was in Texas for.
 
  • #670
I didn't realise they'd uploaded TR's DNA to genealogy sites. I thought it was just Dawn's.

I must have totally missed that.

You didn't miss it. AFAIK, It was never explicitly stated how they found TPR's relatives in order to request a DNA test for comparison. We speculated that LE ran down postings by relatives of men fitting Bob Evan's age range. We speculated that maybe LE found a posting on an Ancestry message board because one of Terry's daughters had actually made a post looking for info on TPR. We also speculated that maybe one of his children or his first wife saw the publicity and contacted LE. But they did not say how exactly they got TPR's real name before this article. They previously only said they tested his DNA against his family and it came out as a match. So according to that article, they used DNA and genealogy sites for both parts of this-- first solving who Lisa was and then solving who Bob Evans/Larry Vanner really was. Very interesting!

Next, I hope they use these same methods to solve the identities of the Allenstown Four. DDP has shown it can be done with the identification of Buckskin Girl as Marcia King. I think there will be many more cold cases of all kinds getting solved this way in the future. JMO.
 
  • #671
Gardener, you are actually correct that it was never releaved by New Hamshire LE how they found Terry's real identity apart of the match in DNA with his family (son) being made but rarely any LE goes to further details with regards to that.

Using similar techniques with a DNA sample from the man known as Larry Vanner who died in prison in 2010, investigators discovered the identity of the New Hampshire killer.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/us/golden-state-killer-genealogy.html

This part of the article does stipulate that Terry was indeed identified the same way as Golden state killer, by geneaology websites. I am still not completely confident that this was the case but if it is, is not it a bit cheeky for different LE of different state to made that public when NH LE tried to keep it under wraps? If indeed that information is correct?

Maybe our case insider can confirm or deny this information now that it is in public domain.
 
  • #672
Gardener, you are actually correct that it was never releaved by New Hamshire LE how they found Terry's real identity apart of the match in DNA with his family (son) being made but rarely any LE goes to further details with regards to that.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/us/golden-state-killer-genealogy.html

This part of the article does stipulate that Terry was indeed identified the same way as Golden state killer, by geneaology websites. I am still not completely confident that this was the case but if it is, is not it a bit cheeky for different LE of different state to made that public when NH LE tried to keep it under wraps? If indeed that information is correct?

Maybe our case insider can confirm or deny this information now that it is in public domain.

I agree that it would be good to have some more confirmation that this new article is correct. However, in hindsight, it makes perfect sense to me now that they used the same method. I have been thinking about the Ancestry Message Board post all backwards-- they didn't find a random message board posting and investigate that-- doing that for all the message board postings of people looking for relatives would take forever. It makes sense to me that they ran TPR's DNA, found his cousins, traced their trees back and then traced his Ancestor's trees forward to find him. When they got to the point of filling in the branch of his immediate family, then investigators would have found the message board post and realized the connection (Just my opinion). Here was a person "missing" by family members sharing the same name as the family trees they were tracing. This method makes sense to me because it is similar to how they found Marcia (Buckskin Doe). They traced her tree and her family members had put under her death details that she was presumed deceased and missing. As soon as DNA Doe Project saw that they knew they had likely found Buckskin Girl. Then they did the DNA test with her mom to confirm.

I agree that it seems like the NH investigators didn't want to reveal how exactly they found TPR with DNA. I'm not sure if it was "cheeky" but it does seem like the California detective "Let the cat out of the bag". Is it possible NH didn't want it revealed due to a fear of public backlash against using DNA of relatives to identify criminals?
 
  • #673
Just looking at an old article. It sort of makes sense that they uploaded TPR's DNA if they had a yearbook photo before finding his children (I'm reading between the lines a bit here). BBM.

Jeffery Strelzin, senior assistant attorney general, said a combination of DNA and investigative work proved Rasmussen’s true identity. He said when investigators found earlier photos of the man they had thought of as Evans, they knew for sure.

They put Rasmussen’s high school yearbook photo next to a booking photo taken in 1985 of Evans, after he was arrested in California for DWI using yet another alias.

“I think for all of us, when we saw those two pictures together, we said, ‘That’s our guy,’” Strelzin said.

Investigators learned that Rasmussen had had a wife and four children when he lived out west in his 20s. A paternity test of one of those now-adult children confirmed Rasmussen was the same man who called himself Bob Evans in New Hampshire.

http://www.unionleader.com/crime/allenstown-barrel-killers-true-identity-revealed-20170818
 
  • #674
Remember when they broke the news they found Bob Evan's real name, before BG's case broke how & the latest ID of the Golden Gate killer, we were wondering how LE made the point from a to b? This makes sense, because we were all scratching our heads at one point, trying to figure out how the connection was made.
 
  • #675
Just looking at an old article. It sort of makes sense that they uploaded TPR's DNA if they had a yearbook photo before finding his children (I'm reading between the lines a bit here). BBM.

Why are they being so coy? There is no one to prosecute. Why don't they just tell us what they did if they did the same thing as in BG and EAR? I think it had to be something else. Protecting his family's privacy or something.
 
  • #676
Why are they being so coy? There is no one to prosecute. Why don't they just tell us what they did if they did the same thing as in BG and EAR? I think it had to be something else. Protecting his family's privacy or something.

I read that there are only 13 states that allow familial DNA searches. Maybe NH doesn’t allow it so even though there is no one to prosecute, they don’t want to publicize the fact.
 
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Why are they being so coy? There is no one to prosecute. Why don't they just tell us what they did if they did the same thing as in BG and EAR? I think it had to be something else. Protecting his family's privacy or something.

Maybe they did it on the down low so as not to deter people from uploading their DNA to public sites lest they be used for criminal purposes. Or maybe discretion was part of an agreement they made with whatever DNA search agency helped them.
 
  • #678
Does anyone know the years his children were born?
 
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