NH NH/CA - Terry Peder Rasmussen, suspected SK, Allenstown, 1981-2000's - #3

[Legally Bland]

Why are they being so coy? There is no one to prosecute. Why don't they just tell us what they did if they did the same thing as in BG and EAR? I think it had to be something else. Protecting his family's privacy or something.

Is BG "bridge guy"? If so I hadn't realised they uploaded his DNA. I don't really follow A&L's thread. I do look in from time to time, but it's been a while.

 

[Gardener1850]

Is BG "bridge guy"? If so I hadn't realised they uploaded his DNA. I don't really follow A&L's thread. I do look in from time to time, but it's been a while.

I'm not the OP, but I think BG refers to Buckskin Girl: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-Girl-WhtFem-133UFOH-15-25-Apr-81-Marcia-King

 

[Legally Bland]

Thanks, Gardener. I've actually read that but for some reason I didn't make the BG connection. I could only think of "bridge guy". :facepalm:

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Authorities use N.H. method to help catch Golden State Killer

http://www.concordmonitor.com/Investigators-looked-to-NH-to-catch-Golden-State-killer-17298247

Officials here never revealed how, exactly, they solved a cold case that had baffled them for years. Investigators couldn’t figure out the true identity of the Allenstown killer or where he was And to this day, they don’t know the names or backgrounds of the three girls – estimated to be between the ages of 2 and 11 – and the 20- or 30-something-year-old woman.

DNA, we know, was the key in naming Rasmussen and the Golden State Killer, but not until the Times published its article did it become clear that a common, free website apparently did the trick.

Jeff Strelzin, the senior assistant attorney general and chief of the homicide unit, said Friday he knew nothing about a connection between the New Hampshire case and the search for the Golden State Killer, adding that he was not contacted by officials in California.

As for the Times report about GEDmatch, Strelzin declined to confirm that the site was used to piece together identities in the Bear Brook case, telling me, “We never actually disclosed how we did it. We’re still trying to identify other victims and it’s still an ongoing investigation. We won’t reveal details on what we’re doing or how we’re doing it.”.

Meanwhile, the baby who left the state in 1981 with Denise Beaudin was later identified as Dawn Beaudin, and she survived the ordeal after Rasmussen abandoned her in 1986 in a California trailer park. She lives in an undisclosed location in New Hampshire.

Finally, DNA confirmed in 2016 that Rasmussen was the biological father of one of the little girls found in Allenstown, but not the other two.

All of which leaves ongoing mysteries that remain on law enforcement radar.

Who are the four females found in those two barrels 15 years apart?

And where and who is the mother of Rasmussen’s child, one of the little girls found in 2000?

And where and who is the father of the other two little girls found in those two barrels (the woman was related to the two girls, but DNA testing could not confirm she was their mother)?

And, finally, what happened to Denise Beaudin, the Goffstown teen who left the state with her baby and Rasmussen in 1981? State investigators have said they believe she’s dead.

Maybe a free website will have the answers.

“Those are all victims or potential victims who we are well aware of,” Strelzin told me. “And given the history of Rasmussen, there could be more.”

 

[Al Ka]

Authorities use N.H. method to help catch Golden State Killer

http://www.concordmonitor.com/Investigators-looked-to-NH-to-catch-Golden-State-killer-17298247

Thank You. This is like deja vu. We have discussion here and few days later this article comes out.

Jeff Strelzin, the senior assistant attorney general and chief of the homicide unit, said Friday he knew nothing about a connection between the New Hampshire case and the search for the Golden State Killer, adding that he was not contacted by officials in California.

As for the Times report about GEDmatch, Strelzin declined to confirm that the site was used to piece together identities in the Bear Brook case, telling me, “We never actually disclosed how we did it. We’re still trying to identify other victims and it’s still an ongoing investigation. We won’t reveal details on what we’re doing or how we’re doing it.”.

I wonder if writer is member here or well, it seems he reads this board. Good again to have some publicity on the case and even though we did not get straight answer to our question by NH LE (if Terry was identified by GedMatch) at least someone did ask them.

Now, more important we should concentrate again on search where Terry was in approx years:
1975 - 1979 (6 month accounted for in Texas in 1978 and his daughter born in one of those years)
End of 1981 - 1984
1986 - 1989 (89 arrest in Ca for abandonment of Lisa)
1990 - 1998 (98 arrest in Ca as Larry Vanneer for driving without licence)

 

[Stephen2016]

[FONT=&amp]The Granite State story began in 1981, when Rasmussen, who went by lots of aliases before finally being identified last year, left the state with Denise Beaudin of Manchester and her 6-month-old daughter.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]A pair of barrels were found in 1985 and 2000 adjacent to Bear Brook, each containing two bodies of the yet-to-be-identified females.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]In the end, Rasmussen was convicted of killing his girlfriend in California in 2002 and died in a California prison in 2010.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]"Meanwhile, the baby who left the state in 1981 with Denise Beaudin was later identified as Dawn Beaudin, and she survived the ordeal after Rasmussen abandoned her in 1986 in a California trailer park. She lives in an undisclosed location in New Hampshire."[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Finally, DNA confirmed in 2016 that Rasmussen was the biological father of one of the little girls found in Allenstown, but not the other two.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]All of which leaves ongoing mysteries that remain on law enforcement radar.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Who are the four females found in those two barrels 15 years apart?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]And where and who is the mother of Rasmussen’s child, one of the little girls found in 2000?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]And where and who is the father of the other two little girls found in those two barrels (the woman was related to the two girls, but DNA testing could not confirm she was their mother)?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]And, finally, what happened to Denise Beaudin, the Goffstown teen who left the state with her baby and Rasmussen in 1981? State investigators have said they believe she’s dead.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Maybe a free website will have the answers.
[/FONT]

http://www.concordmonitor.com/Investigators-looked-to-NH-to-catch-Golden-State-killer-17298247
[FONT=&amp]By RAY DUCKLER[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Monitor staff[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Saturday, May 05, 2018


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Interesting !

 

[Al Ka]

Just bringing this forward as refresher from older article

The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office arrested him on April 30, 1973, as a fugitive from justice. Authorities on Thursday released a booking photo from that time, hoping people may recognize him and help account for his whereabouts in the mid- and late-1970s.

Rasmussen was arrested again in Phoenix in June 1975 on an aggravated assault charge. It's believed that his wife and children left him shortly afterward.

Rasmussen was last seen by his family in Payson, Arizona, around Christmas of 1975 or 1976, authorities say. He was in the company of an unidentified woman. He indicated he was living in an apartment complex in Ingleside, Texas, at the time.

http://tucson.com/news/state-and-re...cle_af17f142-bff2-11e7-9917-d77ab9e5276a.html

We know he still used his real name when working in Houston, Texas in June 1978. His child, middle child in the barrel, was born around that time or sometime prior to that.

Can those who are able to search for any possible birth records in Ingleside, Texas area between 1975 -1978 and Houston, Texas area between 1977-1978 under Rasmussen? Just in case?

 

[Gardener1850]

Just bringing this forward as refresher from older article


http://tucson.com/news/state-and-re...cle_af17f142-bff2-11e7-9917-d77ab9e5276a.html

We know he still used his real name when working in Houston, Texas in June 1978. His child, middle child in the barrel, was born around that time or sometime prior to that.

Can those who are able to search for any possible birth records in Ingleside, Texas area between 1975 -1978 and Houston, Texas area between 1977-1978 under Rasmussen? Just in case?

Texas birth records give the father's name. I recall checking for records at the time his real name was released. When I last searched there were other people named Terry Rasmussen in Texas that were accounted for and clearly not the SK from other records (obituaries, marriage records, different middle names, etc ruled them out as being the SK). I think either his daughter was born under her mother's name or born in a different state that does not publish open birth records online (Or both). IMO it's possible he wasn't even present for the child's birth.

 

[Alleykins]

Thank You. This is like deja vu. We have discussion here and few days later this article comes out.



I wonder if writer is member here or well, it seems he reads this board. Good again to have some publicity on the case and even though we did not get straight answer to our question by NH LE (if Terry was identified by GedMatch) at least someone did ask them.

Now, more important we should concentrate again on search where Terry was in approx years:
1975 - 1979 (6 month accounted for in Texas in 1978 and his daughter born in one of those years)
End of 1981 - 1984
1986 - 1989 (89 arrest in Ca for abandonment of Lisa)
1990 - 1998 (98 arrest in Ca as Larry Vanneer for driving without licence)

It wouldn't surprise me if Strelzin lurked here, or any law enforcement officer, for that matter. When I talked to the Miami County Sheriff's office, the detective told me he read Buckskin Girl's thread.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Just bringing this forward as refresher from older article


http://tucson.com/news/state-and-re...cle_af17f142-bff2-11e7-9917-d77ab9e5276a.html

We know he still used his real name when working in Houston, Texas in June 1978. His child, middle child in the barrel, was born around that time or sometime prior to that.

Can those who are able to search for any possible birth records in Ingleside, Texas area between 1975 -1978 and Houston, Texas area between 1977-1978 under Rasmussen? Just in case?

Given his penchant for half-truths, what if it was really Ingleside, California?

 

[Alleykins]

Bringing forward the NHDOJ revised timeline for TR:
https://www.doj.nh.gov/media-center.../20171102-information-allenstown-timeline.pdf
It moves the date last scene by the family forward.

1975 or 1976, December RASMUSSEN arrives unexpectedly to visit his wife and children in Payson, AZ. He is in the company of an unidentified female.RASMUSSEN indicates he was living at the Casa Del Rey Apartments in Ingleside, TX. This is the last time RASMUSSEN’s family ever sees him.

 

[Stephen2016]

"....1975 - 1979 (6 month accounted for in Texas in 1978 and his daughter born in one of those years)
End of 1981 - 1984..."

If I'm not mistaken his wife's petition filed in San Mateo for a divorce was finalized / granted in 1978 September. ( I assumed maybe he didn't want to pay support ; but that is me ). Apparently he started using the alias in NH "Robert "Bob" evans around this same time 1978.

One other thing I noticed or in my opinion is he seemed to gravitate towards an area in California, again in my opinion. In 1970-71 he was in redwood city california , in 2001 he was in Richmond, California. I've wondered if his bio-child's mother or the bio-child was from somewhere in this general area:

The Isotope map of the middle child though doesn't appear to be in this area;

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ee-children/4hRoPksjAqGy8MIw2bbGPK/story.html

 

[Alleykins]

That's what's puzzling. The middle child's isotope results put her in areas TR is not known to have been in (that we are aware of at present).
It's possible that she was born in CA or TX and she and her mother left shortly after her birth and moved to one of those areas. It appears TR may not have gone with them, yet, when he shows up in NH, the MC ends up with him somehow, at some point. It boggles my mind that the time frame we really need to know about in order to ID the victims is the black hole in his timeline.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

CA is possible there are a few spots isotope spots around the LA area. The only thing that throws a monkey wrench is the statements of the middle childs isotopes being consistent with areas close to the Canadian border. All thou a child could be born in one area and immeditely or shortly after birth move to another area. Could that be the reason for the broad isotopes is that multiple areas are being picked up.

Sure would love some kind of updates

 

[Gardener1850]

The middle child/Terry's daughter could have been a product of a one night stand or very brief relationship. He might not have used his real name with her mother either. While it makes sense the woman he brought back to AZ could be the middle child's mother we don't know for sure that is the case. We don't even know her name. I think it's possible he had women in multiple places and traveled back and forth staying with one or the other for as long as he could get away with. Maybe middle child's mother showed back up in Terry's life after a year or two or he returned to her to find out she had his child. Since he wasn't very good at staying home with his first family, I don't see why he would be any different with a girlfriend/mother of the middle child. JMO.

 

[Al Ka]

CA is possible there are a few spots isotope spots around the LA area. The only thing that throws a monkey wrench is the statements of the middle childs isotopes being consistent with areas close to the Canadian border. All thou a child could be born in one area and immeditely or shortly after birth move to another area. Could that be the reason for the broad isotopes is that multiple areas are being picked up.

Sure would love some kind of updates

Isotopes of different areas does not mean child has travelled around all those but that those areas are consistent with each other, having the same isotopes.

LE further did specify how child moved to which zones and in which approximate timeframe or length of time. (we might have to dig it up again).

The middle child/Terry's daughter could have been a product of a one night stand or very brief relationship. He might not have used his real name with her mother either. While it makes sense the woman he brought back to AZ could be the middle child's mother we don't know for sure that is the case. We don't even know her name. I think it's possible he had women in multiple places and traveled back and forth staying with one or the other for as long as he could get away with. Maybe middle child's mother showed back up in Terry's life after a year or two or he returned to her to find out she had his child. Since he wasn't very good at staying home with his first family, I don't see why he would be any different with a girlfriend/mother of the middle child. JMO.

Now, I am not defending Terry's character but he did stay at home with his first family. He did relocate about 4 times (Hawaii, Arizona, California and back to Arizona) while together but again, with whole family and they were six of them.

While his middle child might have been (or not) from one night stand just a fact that he did use his real name up to 1978 and if child was born sometimes up to this point, I do believe child would bear his name. Also the fact him being quite old fashioned in certain ways just somehow reasures me of that.

Many speculate that his change of name after 1978, or rather confirmed 1979 came due to divorce and child support. Again, this might or might not be true and he might or might not have been even aware that it was finalized.

As he was ex veteran it did cross my mind that his family might have been receiving vet pension until divorce probably? Not sure how it works.

In 1977 his father died, in 1978 his brother got killed, in those years also his 5th child was born (middle child) - seems like quite a lots of things happening at the same time. For some reasons I think his change of name has different reasons then just child support. (Possible pending arrests or warrants would be good reasons - in Houston Texas or other areas he might have been in 1978)

 

[folieadeuxnola]

At one time don't have the link at the moment, it was stated that the middle childs had been in the area from a few weeks to 3 months and that her isotopes showed of being from a more northern climate than Allenstown, NH then it became stated specifically the Canadian border hence the reason they were targeting the area in boxes. The middle child was only 2-4 years old I would think her isotopes and the youngest would be a bit more inline to target than the woman and next oldest.

its just me thinking outloud .. im not very verse on isotopes... Alleykins has done much research on it I have to ask often and sometimes repeatdly in understanding them.

 

[Alleykins]

Yes, the middle child was in NH with the other victims two weeks to three months prior to her death. Before that, she was in her home isotope area.

 

[Gardener1850]

Isotopes of different areas does not mean child has travelled around all those but that those areas are consistent with each other, having the same isotopes.

LE further did specify how child moved to which zones and in which approximate timeframe or length of time. (we might have to dig it up again).



Now, I am not defending Terry's character but he did stay at home with his first family. He did relocate about 4 times (Hawaii, Arizona, California and back to Arizona) while together but again, with whole family and they were six of them.

While his middle child might have been (or not) from one night stand just a fact that he did use his real name up to 1978 and if child was born sometimes up to this point, I do believe child would bear his name. Also the fact him being quite old fashioned in certain ways just somehow reasures me of that.

Many speculate that his change of name after 1978, or rather confirmed 1979 came due to divorce and child support. Again, this might or might not be true and he might or might not have been even aware that it was finalized.

As he was ex veteran it did cross my mind that his family might have been receiving vet pension until divorce probably? Not sure how it works.

In 1977 his father died, in 1978 his brother got killed, in those years also his 5th child was born (middle child) - seems like quite a lots of things happening at the same time. For some reasons I think his change of name has different reasons then just child support. (Possible pending arrests or warrants would be good reasons - in Houston Texas or other areas he might have been in 1978)

Opposing views are welcome, Al Ka. You make a lot of good points and you could be right. Here is a quote where I'm getting my opinion that he didn't really stay with the first family (IMHO):

"After his service, Rasmussen moved to Hawaii, where he married. The couple moved to Arizona in 1969, and would move around to various locations in Phoenix and Redwood City, California. But they also had children during this period, twin daughters in 1969, a son in 1970 and the youngest daughter in 1972.

The couple separated in 1972, then reconciled—but she left for good with the kids between 1973 and 1974, authorities said in their timeline.

This part of the killer’s family last saw him in the Christmas season of 1974 in Arizona. He told them he was living in a particular apartment building in Ingleside, Texas. But he left—and they never saw him again."
https://www.forensicmag.com/news/2017/08/true-id-chameleon-killer-revealed-terry-peder-rasmussen

BBM. He did move around with the family for a bit between 1969 and 1972 but he left soon after the youngest was born. Then he came back. Then she left him for good. Where did he go/who did he live with when he separated from his wife in 1972? Maybe he had another woman. Maybe the eventual mother of his daughter found in Allenstown. He would have left that theoretical woman to try to reconcile with his wife. It's just my opinion and speculation of course, but I think it would be easy for him to follow the same pattern of not staying very long with one woman or going back and forth between relationships. He "stayed" with his first wife for only about 4 or 5 years. We don't really know much about why the marriage failed but we can guess from what we know of Terry. We know he was abusive to other women and children and he even mentioned in his police interview video in California something about how he used to "chase women" (I can't recall his exact words). I don't think it's a stretch to theorize he had multiple relationships at the same time. It also would not be unusual for a married man in the 1970's to give a false name to a woman so she would not find out he was married (JMO). We think he was living under his real name for most of the 70's but we don't really know when he started using aliases or why. Was Bob Evans his first alias? What if the mother of the Allenstown daughter knew him as Bob Evans while he was still married to his wife? The daughter could have the last name Evans. Or another name. This case is mind boggling. JMO.

 

[Stephen2016]

"....1973 April RASMUSSEN arrested by Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.

1975 June RASMUSSEN is arrested in Phoenix, Arizona for aggravated assault.It is believed that his wife and children left him shortly after this arrest.

1975 or 1976, December RASMUSSEN arrives unexpectedly to visit his wife and children inPayson, AZ. He is in the company of an unidentified female.RASMUSSEN indicates he was living at the Casa Del Rey Apartmentsin Ingleside, TX. This is the last time RASMUSSEN’s family eversees him..."

https://www.doj.nh.gov/media-center.../20171102-information-allenstown-timeline.pdf



Petition for divorce was filed 10/1977 in California ... granted September of 1978 ... Terry apparently worked for a company out of texas till 06/78 when he left for another job.

Maybe he did know the divorce would be finalized , it appears they filed not knowing where exactly he was. However, would imagine the courts would have an easier time finding him if he continued to use and work under the name of "Terrance Rasmussen".