Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 #10 *Arrest*

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  • #141
And there have already been a number of things stated as this case has unfolded that have either been found to be untrue or about which we have conflicting statements.

I think we all approach these things differently. I almost never choose my own POI in these cases as they're developing, and I'm very very cautious about accepting what I read and hear as fact.

I know and I agree we all approach things differently. I am a scientist, and I love putting all the little pieces together this way and that way and seeing where it leads. You set up a premise and you see if the little pieces can line up and lead to it. It's very much the way I think.

OTOH, as I've mentioned before I really am on the fence. I try out scenarios in my head and by having discussions on the forum I either rule something as likely, possible, or less likely. Currently, I am leaning towards a family member likely and possibly an outsider. But there are a lot of reasons I haven't made up my mind totally.
By the time I start hearing who the AAG thinks it is, and the evidence to support that, I will be playing devil's advocate with that and trying to prove the perp's innocence. I think I would make a TERRIBLE juror, because in the end, it takes an awful lot to prove something to me.
 
  • #142
bbm I must have missed that, sorry, link?

That was on page 5 of this thread post 116 and 119. (I hope I got that right) it might have begun on page 4.

Regarding the brother of a friend of mine who was paranoid/Schizophrenic.
 
  • #143
I know and I agree we all approach things differently. I am a scientist, and I love putting all the little pieces together this way and that way and seeing where it leads. You set up a premise and you see if the little pieces can line up and lead to it. It's very much the way I think.

That's interesting. I'd describe my approach as the opposite: I take what facts I gather up and see what they lead to, without having a premise first. For some reason, I just don't think that way. I can't say 'Well, I think the SF is guilty' and then find things that add up to that. IMO, if I picked anyone as my own POI or prime suspect in this or any case, I could probably come up with enough to build a decent case against him.

And of course the problem with this case is that there's not much to go on, period. I haven't heard a single piece of 'evidence' that points me clearly to anybody specific at all. Not a one.
 
  • #144
I agree they probably have a slew of evidence. However, if they arrested & tried the case based on the very little information we have, there is just not enough evidence to even arrest anyone.

Nah, there isn't enough but it's lookin' and slantin' in one direction since Celina has been found. Again, I base my op on facts, and I guess I better say circumstaintial evidence too for this case. There has to be so much more woot! DNA. Keep the faith, someone will be arrested, charged or, possibly more than one person too. Just leaning tonight with what stands out to me. xoxo
 
  • #145
Yes feeling guilt is normal in situations like this.
But turning the pictures of a missing child face down, doesn't seem quite normal IMO.

I thought this was where I read it... but possibly it was somewhere else that I read also. A knowledgable person said it is very common for people with schizophrenia to be fearful of looking into anyone's eyes, whether in person or a photograph. They somehow think a person can get to them in some way by looking into their eyes. So, he may have been having a real psychotic episode, turning the pics over, then rolling around on the ground. I am highly suspicious of him, but I haven't convicted him in my mind at this time.
 
  • #146
I think the OSCO still has it. The Anthony's are free to come and get it, because it's their car, but as far as I know, they haven't done so. There was talk of offers being made for it, but I don't think it has been sold.
 
  • #147
We never found out who Deep Throat was but Nixon ended up resigning, and no one disputes that Watergate happened.


Deep throat was Mark Felt, of the FBI. He admitted it in 2005.
 
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http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/929105-196/details-on-celinas-lastnight-alive-described.html


  • It is not clear when WN went to wake up Celina.
  • Was it closer to 8:15 a.m. or closer to 9:00 a.m.?
  • Did WN search the house for almost an hour or only 15 minutes?
  • "Around 9:15 a.m." WN placed a call to LN at work to inform her Celina was not in the apartment.
  • Did WN check the apartment *building* or just their apartment?
  • Did WN search outside the apartment / apartment building before placing a call to LN?
  • In a Websleuths thread it was rumored WN posted through his Facebook account @ 9:11 a.m. to a Facebook "friend" (non-family). What was the text of that post? Did WN reference Celina? IIRC, WN did not reference Celina in his text to his Facebook "friend".

bbm

What does that mean? I suspect it might be due to the family having discovered the category of other "friends" WN had selected on his Facebook account.

I also suspect LE might be giving off a vibe as to whom they suspect is responsible for Celina's disappearance and death .. maybe with intent to apply either direct or indirect pressure to cause WN to break and 'confess'.

It also has been pondered as to why LN seemed to be in emotional dire straits within only a few hours of discovering Celina as missing. Some have commented that LN appeared to be inconsolable?

LN's emotional state is entirely understandable, but what if there is an additional aspect that caused such a display so soon? Did LN have suspicions immediately after arriving home from work, or even previous to that Tuesday as to what might have occurred?



Was KM asked specific questions regarding where he thought Celina was that evening when he arrived to home?

Was there a routine that would make him or anyone else aware of where Celina or any/everyone else was that time of the evening? In bed, kitchen, bedroom, other?

KM "can remember coming into the living room and sitting on the couch", with the implication Celina was not in the living room.

Was KM thinking that Monday evening when he arrived home to the living room that Celina was "in her own bed"? If so, what made him specifically think that, or is that simply after-the-fact assumption on his part?

Did KM meet upon anyone else in the apartment that evening? Did he say "good night" or "I'm home" to anyone or no one in particular or not all?

Did everyone believe Celina was in her bedroom that evening? Does her bed reveal that as fact? Was her bed made or tossled Tuesday morning?

The article is lacking in that it does not reference the following:

Where was Celina's older sister, KL, that Monday evening? (it's been rumored KL was sleeping over a friend's house).

When did KL arrive to home? Monday evening or Tuesday? Before 8:15 a.m. Tuesday, later that morning, afternoon or evening?

It is rumored KL went to a neighbor's house Tuesday to inquire if they had seen Celina.

It is rumored the neighbor contacted 911, that Celina's family had not contacted LE previous to that point.

If all true, we have no factual times to which to associate those actions, or do we? At a minimum there should be a record / timestamp for the 911 call.

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Celina's body allegedly was found wrapped in a blanket(s). No word whether the blanket(s) is from the home, Celina's bed, other.

I'm not sure about the material being a 'blanket' .. since it is reported a diver searching Back Pond that Sunday (the day Celina's body was discovered) was instructed to go to the dam area on the Connecticut River to investigate for a 'bag'.

Was Celina's body wrapped in a blanket or in a bag and then placed in the river?

Was Celina's body placed farther upstream from where it was ultimately discovered? Did it float downstream and collide with a blanket or bag and become 'wrapped' in the material?

If Celina's body was not 'neatly' wrapped, if it had become 'entangled' in some material while in the river .. then suicide is not off the table. It's not likely, given what we think we know at this point but still, it's possible no matter how remote.

All speculation, but valid questions and points which to ponder.

Regarding Celina being wrapped in a blanket when she was immersed in the river, there is a picture of her body being recovered around 47 sec into the video accompanying this article:
http://www.wmur.com/news/28729725/detail.html

It does appear to be a blanket. I wonder if anyone in the home (LN, KL, KM) identified the blanket as coming from their home?
 
  • #151
I thought there was another young man (NN?) besides KM living in the home? I believe he's related to WN? There has been no more mention of him. Where did he sleep? Maybe he normally slept in the room where WN's mother was sleeping that night and WN slept in the same room as LN.

So, that night, which household member(s) was/were displaced from the room where they normally slept and, if CC was actually sleeping on the couch, did WN and the other man know that?
 
  • #152
So is there an apartment above the upstairs BRs? Aren't there family members that live there, also?
I think it was Celina's aunt... the one that said Celina sleeps on the couch when KL isn't home at night.
 
  • #153
I thought there was another young man (NN?) besides KM living in the home? I believe he's related to WN? There has been no more mention of him. Where did he sleep? Maybe he normally slept in the room where WN's mother was sleeping that night and WN slept in the same room as LN.

So, that night, which household member(s) was/were displaced from the room where they normally slept and, if CC was actually sleeping on the couch, did WN and the other man know that?

NN is WN's son. I don't believe I ever read anything about him living there.
 
  • #154
So is there an apartment above the upstairs BRs? Aren't there family members that live there, also?
I think it was Celina's aunt... the one that said Celina sleeps on the couch when KL isn't home at night.

There is another apartment in the building. The folks who lived there were unrelated and had moved out a few weeks before Celina went missing. I think the apartment was was beside not above.

WN's mother had been sleeping in one of the three upstairs bedrooms. She was staying there due to health issues. She is not a "real" aunt to Celina as WN is her step dad.
 
  • #155
I just looked at the house again & it does look like there is another apartment (3rd floor) above Louisa's upstairs
bedrooms (2nd floor). IIRC, it was stated in a news article that an aunt & cousin of CC's lived in a third floor apartment.

And there's the apartment also on the main level, next to Louisa's apartment.
I think that's the one that the tenents moved out 3-4 weeks ago.
 
  • #156
Oh the love of old houses. Guilty, live in one. You'd have to know the blue print of it to figure it out to me with rooms being rented & what floors they occupied (ours is just ours no renters)...No more on the County website as far as the layout? The one I saw was outdated. Was the house Celina lived in the "group home" that the news or rumors talked about at the start, I think the news gets stuff wrong? I know the one owner called it a "party house"...the other didn't if I recall per MSM. Just wondering.
 
  • #157
Forgive me as I have been out of town but is this new info? It's new to me.

Details on Celina’s lastnight alive described

By DONNA JORDAN
Colebrook Chronicle

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According to a source close to the family, Celina and her mom, Louisa Noyes, were sitting on the couch in the living room watching “The Secret Life of An American Teenager” together on the ABC Family Channel. When the show was over at 9 p.m., Celina decided to watch another show and was also back and forth on the family computer, which was in the living room. Louisa Noyes said goodnight to her daughter, and went upstairs to go to sleep.

much more at link

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/929105-196/details-on-celinas-lastnight-alive-described.html

from this article:
At one time, his children and extended family listed him as a friend on Facebook – today his name no longer appears on their pages.

I feel this says alot....
 
  • #158
I guess I'm looking for motive..the SF had a hinkering for women. So where do you go from there? I know he could have shared that fb with his brother/cousin/mom etc...but someone it appears was looking women. Bold about it to me too?...Who is the facebook writer? I think JY/LE know that much for sure already. Dang, should have gone into forensics etc...maybe tomorrow..

c u all tomorrow! xoxo
 
  • #159
According to the article:

it was believed that Celina was in her bedroom, in her own bed.

Wouldn't there be evidence of Celina sleeping on the couch (ie, a pillow and blanket), or that she slept in her bed. I know many children don't make their beds, but I can still see a day-to-day difference when my son sleeps in an unmade bed.

I guess it depends on how close the parents monitor their kids sleeping habits and if Celina made her bed everyday.

MOO

Mel
 
  • #160
I think it's pretty obvious where this is going. Pretty telling since nothing has been mentioned of WN's activities on that Monday night. Why didn't the reporter ask....or why didn't he report it, if he did? IMO
 
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