Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 #10 *Arrest*

[MarthaM]

I can see a larger newspaper doing this, but Colbrooke newspaper?

Why not? I can't think of any reason why a small-town paper would be any more accurate than the biggies. And many times they're less reliable. You just don't know until everything is sorted out and the rumors are separated from the facts. And that's true with any of these cases, not just this one.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Well said.

So far as I know the only thing the authorities have said was that something about her location or condition was suspicious, but just finding her in the water covers that. As for the blanket thing, I have never really believed it. The only way a blanket would remain wrapped around her body is it it was attached in some way, and the medical examiner would consider that in deciding the manner of death.

Could it be found unsecured if the body had been placed at or very near the point of discovery?

 

[cluciano63]

Even if she was wrapped in a blanket that does not mean homicide automatically, it could be accidental death followed by improper disposal of a body, for example...

 

[MarthaM]

Even if she was wrapped in a blanket that does not mean homicide automatically, it could be accidental death followed by improper disposal of a body, for example...

True enough.

I guess I just don't buy the 'blanket' story, period, though. I find it really hard to believe that somebody told a reporter they actually saw that. It would have had to be somebody very involved with the search and recovery, and it's just an odd thing for one of them to do. And if a reporter really talked to someone that involved, why is that the only tidbit that was offered? Nothing else about it, just that she was wrapped in a blanket. Just doesn't add up.

Of course it may come out that she was wrapped in a blanket. We'll know when and if something official is said.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Yes. If the body really was found wrapped in a blanket, there would be no reason to keep calling this death 'suspicious'. They'd be using 'homicide'. But they're not. That's a big reason why I'm treating the blanket thing as a rumor at this point.

Of course, there's a possibility that there was a blanket and that the investigators know for sure it was a homicide but they're just not saying that. And I think that's a weird thing to do.

Krista Dittmeyer had been brutally beaten and had her nose and mouth duct taped before she was thrown in that lake, and JY still called it "suspicious" up until she was ready to name the people who committed the crime. There could have been no doubt, upon viewing the body immediately, that it was homicide, but it wasn't confirmed for weeks. I think this is going to be the same way.

 

[joypath]

Yes. If the body really was found wrapped in a blanket, there would be no reason to keep calling this death 'suspicious'. They'd be using 'homicide'. But they're not. That's a big reason why I'm treating the blanket thing as a rumor at this point.

Of course, there's a possibility that there was a blanket and that the investigators know for sure it was a homicide but they're just not saying that. And I think that's a weird thing to do.

BBM/U :twocents: I'm :innocent: responding from a specific frame of reference that the "blanket" (be it that or any other type of covering) would be considered the "key" in calling this child's death a homicide.....ABSOLUTELY NOT, unless and if there are other substantial scientific circumstances that incorporate the blanket into or directly relate to the death. Covering a body with an article can be part of a disposal procedure of an accidental death due to a variety of factors either with or without secondary parties, or a suicide, of an undetermined origin, of a natural occurrence and yes, of a homicide BUT that was a key factor as noted by the authorities in this case, the DISCOVERY of a missing child, reported in a timely manner yet deceased & submerged close to home.

IBM/U :twocents: Now responding from the "better half's" :seeya: perspective: "The less LE says to ANYBODY (especially the media!) the better". "Not speaking in specifics often sends perps into a charming world of "got away with it or I'm smarter than Mr./Ms Law person!" and then that's when he or she makes BIG errors in judgment! SO, the local LEOs are acting natural & smart!:rocker:

 

[MarthaM]

Krista Dittmeyer had been brutally beaten and had her nose and mouth duct taped before she was thrown in that lake, and JY still called it "suspicious" up until she was ready to name the people who committed the crime. There could have been no doubt, upon viewing the body immediately, that it was homicide, but it wasn't confirmed for weeks. I think this is going to be the same way.

Yes, I read about that. I think it's odd for investigators to call a death 'suspicious' when they know it's a homicide, but perhaps that's just me. I'm more familiar with LE who call an investigation a 'homicide investigation' when they know that's what it is, regardless of whether they release details. I think it's peculiar to play word games, but again--maybe that's just me. Others might admire that.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

Yes, I read about that. I think it's odd for investigators to call a death 'suspicious' when they know it's a homicide, but perhaps that's just me. I'm more familiar with LE who call an investigation a 'homicide investigation' when they know that's what it is, regardless of whether they release details. I think it's peculiar to play word games, but again--maybe that's just me. Others might admire that.

I agree...it's very odd. But, when I hear that, it makes me think that LE doesn't know for sure what's going on. Maybe they are trying to leave a big question mark, giving the perp a false sense of security.

 

[Texsun]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/1...reepy-wait-after-girls-death/?test=latestnews

Quote:


"When a body is found in water, a lot of things happen that could mimic something that could've happened outside of water, like bruising of the head. They have to start with, `Was she alive when she entered the water?' And it's not just the body that will tell them."

"Any subtle skin evidence is gone," said Dr. H. Wayne Carver II, Connecticut's chief medical examiner, who isn't involved in the investigation. "The outer layer of the skin is where you interact with the rest of the world, where we read the interactions. It's gone."

Just going back to earlier articles and reading, but whoever did this just might not be found and brought to justice. Sad thought for today.

 

[Texsun]

"Until he is together, she just can't be part of that right now," she said.

Another quote from article above, regarding the mother and SF. This statement made on behalf of LC, by her employer/friend can also be taken different ways. But to me, it indicates that the mother might not be feeling that her husband could be the one responsible. Obviously she doesn't suspect KM as she is living with him along with the 13 yr old daughter. Maybe soon, if and when "he gets it together" she'll have him back living with her too!

I'm really getting worried that the longer this goes on with no arrest, the more it means it will go cold and under the rug. Grrrr!

 

[Texsun]

Thoughts and Prayers for all members along the east coast and in the path of this huge hurricane. Be safe and take care.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Hey Joy I love your icon. It's true for neuroscientists too. :innocent: I think I might Photoshop it and stick it somewhere in lab lol.

 

[nosysw]

Hey Joy I love your icon. It's true for neuroscientists too. :innocent: I think I might Photoshop it and stick it somewhere in lab lol.

I think you could say that for most fields, lol! That's why so many companies block Facebook and such (but don't know about Websleuths, lol!)

 

[SondraK]

Even if the body was wrapped in a blanket, she could have died from an accident, natural causes, or by another's hand. The body was disposed of making the death suspicious, but not necessarily a homicide. JMO

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I think you could say that for most fields, lol! That's why so many companies block Facebook and such (but don't know about Websleuths, lol!)

Yah I know. :innocent: So far my campus has only been blocking video sites (where to watch pirated videos of my favorite tv shows), afaik.

 

[Chris_Texas]

Yes. If the body really was found wrapped in a blanket, there would be no reason to keep calling this death 'suspicious'. They'd be using 'homicide'. But they're not. That's a big reason why I'm treating the blanket thing as a rumor at this point.

I suspect most of these story recaps are copy/paste from older stories.

Of course, there's a possibility that there was a blanket and that the investigators know for sure it was a homicide but they're just not saying that. And I think that's a weird thing to do.

I agree. Unless we are going with the "Zombie Celina got chilly" theory, a blanket wrapped corpse can only be explained by the actions of someone other than the victim. This means that a crime automatically took place, and as no one has come forward and offered any other explanation (e.g. 'Celina loved that river so I wrapped her up and tossed her in') it is well beyond a reasonable doubt to conclude that the death was likely a homocide.

Assuming that the blanket thing were true, I cannot imagine a medical examiner issuing an undertermined finding, and it would be gross negligence for the police to follow suit.

 

[Chris_Texas]

Could it be found unsecured if the body had been placed at or very near the point of discovery?

I have never been there, never even seen a video of the river flowing, but it seems (to me) a bit hard to believe that it would have remained in place for a week without something holding it in place. I suppose it could though.

 

[Chris_Texas]

Even if she was wrapped in a blanket that does not mean homicide automatically, it could be accidental death followed by improper disposal of a body, for example...

But it does mean that a crime took place, and as no one has come forward to explain how the accident happened and why they decided to toss her in the river, a reasonable person should conclude that the most LIKELY reason she is there is to hide the body.

Killers hide the body to help conceal their crimes.

 

[cluciano63]

But it does mean that a crime took place, and as no one has come forward to explain how the accident happened and why they decided to toss her in the river, a reasonable person should conclude that the most LIKELY reason she is there is to hide the body.

Killers hide the body to help conceal their crimes.

True, but people in a panic also do stupid things...we'll just have to wait and see. And I did mention the possible crime of improper disposal of a body. Just know way to tell right now. I really hope that a cause of death can be determined...

There have been cases where people hid or relocated a body after an accidental or overdose death...rather than explain themselves to police. Melissa Best is one.

However, if there is a blanket I believe LE is thinking homicide and hoping to be able to prove it...

 

[Chris_Texas]

Krista Dittmeyer had been brutally beaten and had her nose and mouth duct taped before she was thrown in that lake, and JY still called it "suspicious" up until she was ready to name the people who committed the crime. There could have been no doubt, upon viewing the body immediately, that it was homicide, but it wasn't confirmed for weeks. I think this is going to be the same way.

Without knowing the facts of the case you are talking about, unless there is a damn good explanation for withholding information this critical from the public, than in my opinion this lady has no business in law enforcement. Withholding information like this could EASILY get someone or even many people killed.

Seriously, (and respectfully) it is hard to even imagine a scenario in which a public official or officer would have a good reason for concealing murder from the public. I am just drawing a blank here. It's insane. No one is suggesting that they have to release critical evidence (assuming that they are working the case) but that's a far cry from concealing the gravity of the crime.

Anyway... just... wow. I am seriously blown away by this revelation. It is, without any exageration, the most shocking thing I have heard about this case to date.