NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 #15

[sony12]

Why? Although it turned out to be a big nothing, it's near the accident scene and human blood was found inside. It was worth checking, at the very least.

It entered into the story because of some rumors Fred Murray heard. Basically if I remember right some guy came up to Fred and told him he thought his brother was involved and he happened to live there at one point.

That's the problem with this case. Most things in this case had their beginnings through very flimsy evidence like that.

As far as blood being found in the house that will often happen just through normal living. Most houses probably have traces of blood in them. Fred should have dropped the A-Frame house as soon as the police did.

 

[Tarik]

The brother in question had a criminal record and the two brothers had a big fight right around the time Maura disappeared.

It wasn't just that blood was found, it's that dogs got a hit in a closet.

 

[maamager]

It feels like this case bobs between a sprint and glacial speeds. I'm going to be a bit more bold in my opinions and thoughts moving forward.

As we know, Maura is listed in VICAP. I think this is enough to assume the FBI has reason to believe she was murdered. Not lost in the woods (in every other situation/case, I would give 100% support to the woods theory, but I disagree in MM's situation).

I'm mulling over the "proof of life" voicemail that MM's boyfriend received. This is just odd to me. Are we to believe while she is out in the cold woods, she used her phone (in an area with no cell service) and instead of calling from her number, she used a calling card instead? She's out in the cold for almost 40 hours, can't call 911, but can call BF, someone who I believe she was actively avoiding in the days before her death?

BF's mother confirms what's on the VM: crying, "I'm cold". according to Fred, LE, and Maura's' mother also heard that voicemail and it was STATIC. Of course afterward, BF claims he saved the VM for years whereas his mother claims he deleted it quickly after because it was "too much". IMO, deleting that VM is extremely strange. It may be just me, but if I were him, I would cling to that piece of evidence for life.

Also, didn't BF claim he received that call going through TSA on his connecting flight (that he never provided actual proof of EVER)? Since when do you need to go through TSA for a connecting flight?

That's it for now from me.

 

[minazoe]

wow I never heard of this phonemail....mOO

 

[SimplyCass]

Also, didn't BF claim he received that call going through TSA on his connecting flight (that he never provided actual proof of EVER)? Since when do you need to go through TSA for a connecting flight?

That happens - it depends on airport and where your flight landed and what gate you have to get to. Perhaps one of the more famous examples is Mohamed Atta (pilot-hijacker of American Airlines 11 on 9/11), who at Logan airport had to go through security a second time. (He and al-Omari first flew from Maine to Boston, then connected to Flight 11.) And that was before the TSA was created.

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

This case will always be one of the closest to my heart; I want this to be resolved for Fred who I watched in a documentary and that man has never stopped looking for her daughter. I believe Maura was murdered and I think data from her computer was not analysed as thoroughly as it should have been done. I have not seen yet a clear reason as to why she travelled to that state that particular day and there must be one.

 

[scrimpies]

In Media Pressure I feel like what Julie dances around is that someone had car 001 and they interacted with Maura before she was gone and it has to be someone who had access to that LE vehicle. MOO

 

[maamager]

That happens - it depends on airport and where your flight landed and what gate you have to get to. Perhaps one of the more famous examples is Mohamed Atta (pilot-hijacker of American Airlines 11 on 9/11), who at Logan airport had to go through security a second time. (He and al-Omari first flew from Maine to Boston, then connected to Flight 11.) And that was before the TSA was created.

i think this is a fair point. yes, it happens, but as someone well-traveled, the only circumstances I can see this happening are if the two flights are in different terminals and there's no airside connection. but imo extremely unlikely as this was post 9/11, a domestic flight, AND more importantly, BR's inability to prove his own flight path from the base - I personally think it's because he can't.

 

[Tarik]

At most, he might know exactly why she left Massachusetts but that's it. I would need to see some hard evidence of his involvement in anything nefarious.

 

[sunshineray]

DBM

 

[sunshineray]

There really hasn't been much new since the weeks that she went missing. Everything since has pretty much just been theories. There is no legitimate evidence that she is in the woods, there is no legitimate evidence anyone local was involved. And even though it's the theory that has the most room to breathe there is no legitimate evidence that she was killed by someone.

I just watched this 2017 Oxygen Network series and it has lots of interviews with family, responding LE and witnesses. The tracking dogs (cadaver and live human) info is very interesting. More than 10 tracker dogs were used in numerous searches, nothing in the woods in over a 10 mile radius. A live tracker, tracked MM down the road close to an intersection and then nothing. I think the odds are overwhelming she got in a vehicle, willingly or not.

I've got a question about the blood items found connected to an A-frame house about a half mile from MM's crash site in Haverhill, NH.

Was the bloody knife found in a vehicle glove compartment, found by the brother of the A-frame resident and a bloody piece of carpet from a closet in the A-frame house, that were given to the investigating LE, ever tested for MM's DNA?

The Oxygen Network 2017 series, "The Disappearance of Maura Murray", now on NBC streaming App.

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[sunshineray]

The A-Frame house never should have been involved in this case to begin with. The fact that it was just shows how much gossip has been driving this case.

I wouldn't call it gossip. Because of the proximity to MM's crash site and a brother tipping in a brother...hopefully it was throughly checked out. MO

 

[maamager]

At most, he might know exactly why she left Massachusetts but that's it. I would need to see some hard evidence of his involvement in anything nefarious.

understood and partially agreed. the thing about this case imo, we're never going to see any until an arrest is made. i have a ton of questions for Bill though.

 

[sony12]

I just watched this 2017 Oxygen Network series and it has lots of interviews with family, responding LE and witnesses. The tracking dogs (cadaver and live human) info is very interesting. More than 10 tracker dogs were used in numerous searches, nothing in the woods in over a 10 mile radius. A live tracker, tracked MM down the road close to an intersection and then nothing. I think the odds are overwhelming she got in a vehicle, willingly or not.

I've got a question about the blood items found connected to an A-frame house about a half mile from MM's crash site in Haverhill, NH.

Was the bloody knife found in a vehicle glove compartment, found by the brother of the A-frame resident and a bloody piece of carpet from a closet in the A-frame house, that were given to the investigating LE, ever tested for MM's DNA?

The Oxygen Network 2017 series, "The Disappearance of Maura Murray", now on NBC streaming App.

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The Oxygen program was made quite awhile ago and nothing came of it. I believe they were just trying to come up with solutions so the show could have a decent ending.

 

[DD Byrd]

I think authorities know who did this, and just can't act definitely on it. Yet.

If she was tracked to an intersection, she likely got in a car and probably told the driver she didn't have cell service. That driver is likely to live in the area (even if not the case for Maura). I envision her picked up and told "I live right nearby and you can use my phone"...she then didn't make it to the phone. Possibly she told the driver where she was from and no one knew where she was headed and/or that she didn't really have anyone to call (alerting the driver to a double-whammy easy target). I'd be willing to bet she was further inebriated than the witness noted by the time she got to the house and might have unloaded even more details. A functioning alcoholic in a panic after the crash would down some of the alcohol and try to carry the rest, esp if she knew she'd blow over the limit anyway. Her focus was getting away from her car and off the street, and another car would be the fastest way. She wasn't thinking "I could be killed soon," so reticence of getting in a stranger's car, if any, wouldn't match the need to get in it based on her circumstances.

 

[Tarik]

understood and partially agreed. the thing about this case imo, we're never going to see any until an arrest is made. i have a ton of questions for Bill though.

He has been fairly forthcoming to the few people that spoke to him about the case, from what I can tell.

 

[maamager]

He has been fairly forthcoming to the few people that spoke to him about the case, from what I can tell.

well, we can start with the fact he can't prove his albi; moreover, with the recent FOIA, his albi is inaccurate at best and at worst - purposefully dubious.

 

[Tarik]

He was in Fort Sill over 1500 miles away when Maura went missing and there is no evidence (for now at least) that he was in NH or MA.

 

[sunshineray]

The Oxygen program was made quite awhile ago and nothing came of it. I believe they were just trying to come up with solutions so the show could have a decent ending.

They were looking at about five different solutions and eliminating. Being picked up on the road, willingly or not, makes the most sense to me after watching the whole series. JMO

 

[sony12]

They were looking at about five different solutions and eliminating. Being picked up on the road, willingly or not, makes the most sense to me after watching the whole series. JMO

Most documentaries like that are pretty similar (and it really wasn't a very good documentary as it was really amateurish) as they try to come up with a significant solution by the end to give the series a solid conclusion.

Unfortunately with the Maura Murray case there are no solid leads. After the point where she disappeared from the car everything is a 100% speculation. There is absolutely no legitimate evidence anywhere to tie anything or anybody to the case.