NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 #16

[Tarik]

What was Baldwin's home address in 2004, or at least, after he left West Point?

No idea, it's not something I looked into and I doubt I could even find that information.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Is there any indication that this guy was in New England at the time of her disappearance?

 

[Tarik]

Is there any indication that this guy was in New England at the time of her disappearance?

No, if there is it hasn't been made public. We were told he was living in California in 2004 but we have no proof (yet) that he was there on and around the days of Maura's disappearance.

 

[Sam10098]

seriously - the most likely is the cop that pulled over, or the bus guy. Or she went into the woods and wasn’t found (this isn’t rare even in places with few trees).

 

[Sam10098]

The lack of reservations suggest she was meeting someone or was impulsive. I tend to lean toward impulsive / maybe bipolar?- Piizza fraud wasn’t exactly well planned, crashing the car etc. Plus, really, how many girls would drive 3 hours in the dark for a hookup - and buy the alcohol? Surely if it was Baldwin they could do that on campus?

So much is made of the amount of alcohol bought that must be for two - she bought some cheap wine and the components of a mudslide, not 10 litres of moonshine! I do think that the drink purchase would be near her intended destination though - and no food suggests she planned to go to someone’s house or a hotel with restaurant.

The route she’s on joins a road with many hotels - so the shop would be last stop on the way. Something happened between the two.

 

[Sam10098]

The lack of reservations suggest she was meeting someone or was impulsive. I tend to lean toward impulsive / maybe bipolar?- Piizza fraud wasn’t exactly well planned, crashing the car etc. Plus, really, how many girls would drive 3 hours in the dark for a hookup - and buy the alcohol? Surely if it was Baldwin they could do that on campus?

So much is made of the amount of alcohol bought that must be for two - she bought some cheap wine and the components of a mudslide, not 10 litres of moonshine! I do think that the drink purchase would be near her intended destination though - and no food suggests she planned to go to someone’s house or a hotel with restaurant.

The route she’s on joins a road with many hotels - so the shop would be last stop on the way. Something happened between the two.

 

[Laura456]

seriously - the most likely is the cop that pulled over, or the bus guy. Or she went into the woods and wasn’t found (this isn’t rare even in places with few trees).

It would have to be a fairly large conspiracy among the cops and perhaps the towing person as well. I don't think Butch Atwood had enough time to do anything to Maura, even if he had the strength and inclination.

 

[SovietKitsch]

The lack of reservations suggest she was meeting someone or was impulsive. I tend to lean toward impulsive / maybe bipolar?- Piizza fraud wasn’t exactly well planned, crashing the car etc. Plus, really, how many girls would drive 3 hours in the dark for a hookup - and buy the alcohol? Surely if it was Baldwin they could do that on campus?

So much is made of the amount of alcohol bought that must be for two - she bought some cheap wine and the components of a mudslide, not 10 litres of moonshine! I do think that the drink purchase would be near her intended destination though - and no food suggests she planned to go to someone’s house or a hotel with restaurant.

Giving my own two cents, I think it's true that we are too often trying to rationalise Maura's actions in the weeks leading up and on the night of her disappearance with our own clear minds. Bipolar disorder can (as it did for me) appear in the early twenties age range for women, and a manic episode would most definitely make sense with everything in context. Just MOO.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The lack of reservations suggest she was meeting someone or was impulsive. I tend to lean toward impulsive / maybe bipolar?- Piizza fraud wasn’t exactly well planned, crashing the car etc. Plus, really, how many girls would drive 3 hours in the dark for a hookup - and buy the alcohol? Surely if it was Baldwin they could do that on campus?

So much is made of the amount of alcohol bought that must be for two - she bought some cheap wine and the components of a mudslide, not 10 litres of moonshine! I do think that the drink purchase would be near her intended destination though - and no food suggests she planned to go to someone’s house or a hotel with restaurant.

The route she’s on joins a road with many hotels - so the shop would be last stop on the way. Something happened between the two.

Here's the thing about her trying to make a reservation at a place that her family had rented earlier. I've always thought if she were going up there alone, some kind of motel or hotel would have been smaller, cheaper and easier. And we still don't know whether she ever made a reservation; law enforcement may know whether she did or she didn't, and if she did have a reservation somewhere, what that indicated. It's pretty common to assume that the information in the public domain is all that's known, but LE keeps some aspects of an investigation secret.

Then there's the possibility that Maura was meeting someone or some group and that person or persons made reservations.

 

[SovietKitsch]

Here's the thing about her trying to make a reservation at a place that her family had rented earlier. I've always thought if she were going up there alone, some kind of motel or hotel would have been smaller, cheaper and easier. And we still don't know whether she ever made a reservation; law enforcement may know whether she did or she didn't, and if she did have a reservation somewhere, what that indicated. It's pretty common to assume that the information in the public domain is all that's known, but LE keeps some aspects of an investigation secret.

Then there's the possibility that Maura was meeting someone or some group and that person or persons made reservations.

What makes you think she was meeting someone? It seems to me like a solitary trip honestly, with the way she did all the research on routes herself, called the condo owner lady herself, was drinking alone in her car before she crashed. It seems to me like she was trying to get away from everybody.

There's a video on youtube of the route before the crash Maura Murray's Last Known Drive, what baffles me is her driving on that road alone in the dark, it would've been terrifying.

In the Miles To Nowhere documentary, her friend says that it was not unlike Maura to take off by herself without telling anyone, she describes a time in highschool when Maura left for a day trip on her own and they spent all day trying to get ahold of her only for her to turn up after. This tells a lot about Maura IMO, there was a lot she seemed to keep to herself.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

What makes you think she was meeting someone? It seems to me like a solitary trip honestly, with the way she did all the research on routes herself, called the condo owner lady herself, was drinking alone in her car before she crashed. It seems to me like she was trying to get away from everybody.

There's a video on youtube of the route before the crash Maura Murray's Last Known Drive, what baffles me is her driving on that road alone in the dark, it would've been terrifying.

It's not terrifying if you're used to it or have done it before. Many people in rural areas or people who vacation/have second homes in rural areas drive these routes in the dark all the time. It's dark by 4 pm in some areas of the country. Dark country roads are the norm for some.

MOO.

 

[acutename]

family web site:

Maura Murray Official

The official website of Maura Murray who disappeared on the evening of February 9, 2004, after her car crashed on Rt. 112 in Haverhill, NH. Her whereabouts remain unknown.

www.mauramurraymissing.org

 

[Tarik]

family web site:

Maura Murray Official

The official website of Maura Murray who disappeared on the evening of February 9, 2004, after her car crashed on Rt. 112 in Haverhill, NH. Her whereabouts remain unknown.

www.mauramurraymissing.org

What about it?

 

[Austin023]

It would have to be a fairly large conspiracy among the cops and perhaps the towing person as well. I don't think Butch Atwood had enough time to do anything to Maura, even if he had the strength and inclination.

I agree. While I believe foul play was involved, some big coverup is highly unlikely. Though silence can be considered a form of it. Whatever happened, it was within a small window time frame of around 12 minutes. That SUV one passerby motorist- witness saw, parked in front of Maura's car, I think is a good candidate for being a key. It's never been properly explained, and why would one witness, a stranger, make that up? I think it's legitimate and relevant to the case.
I still wonder if there's more evidence that police have withheld from the public, like evidence of her stopping to get gas nearby (as her nearly full gas tank would indicate), or stopping elsewhere on her journey after leaving Hadley. Yes, it was 2004, but most major gas stations and markets had surveillance cameras by then. It's just a nagging thought I've long had ...she must have stopped to refuel the car somewhere nearby to where it was found.

 

[Sam10098]

I agree. While I believe foul play was involved, some big coverup is highly unlikely. Though silence can be considered a form of it. Whatever happened, it was within a small window time frame of around 12 minutes. That SUV one passerby motorist- witness saw, parked in front of Maura's car, I think is a good candidate for being a key. It's never been properly explained, and why would one witness, a stranger, make that up? I think it's legitimate and relevant to the case.
I still wonder if there's more evidence that police have withheld from the public, like evidence of her stopping to get gas nearby (as her nearly full gas tank would indicate), or stopping elsewhere on her journey after leaving Hadley. Yes, it was 2004, but most major gas stations and markets had surveillance cameras by then. It's just a nagging thought I've long had ...she must have stopped to refuel the car somewhere nearby to where it was found.

Why do you think it would be a big cover up? He just had to say nope, no idea. Some might suspect but aren’t going to go digging. But I do agree there is more evidence that hasn’t been released. The reason this case is one we still think about is because it doesn’t make sense even if she was in a bipolar episode

 

[Sam10098]

Giving my own two cents, I think it's true that we are too often trying to rationalise Maura's actions in the weeks leading up and on the night of her disappearance with our own clear minds. Bipolar disorder can (as it did for me) appear in the early twenties age range for women, and a manic episode would most definitely make sense with everything in context. Just MOO.

Agree mania or uncontrolled ADHD explains the drive. We focus too much on that and trying to rationalise it, rather than what happened after she stopped.

 

[geojeffrey]

What makes you think she was meeting someone? It seems to me like a solitary trip honestly, with the way she did all the research on routes herself, called the condo owner lady herself, was drinking alone in her car before she crashed. It seems to me like she was trying to get away from everybody.

There's a video on youtube of the route before the crash Maura Murray's Last Known Drive, what baffles me is her driving on that road alone in the dark, it would've been terrifying.

In the Miles To Nowhere documentary, her friend says that it was not unlike Maura to take off by herself without telling anyone, she describes a time in highschool when Maura left for a day trip on her own and they spent all day trying to get ahold of her only for her to turn up after. This tells a lot about Maura IMO, there was a lot she seemed to keep to herself.

I agree with your points. But, also find it odd that one of the folks who called 911 after Maura's wreck, reported seeing a male smoking a cigarette in or near the crashed vehicle. (this is mentioned earlier in the MM thread's).

 

[minazoe]

can we even be 100 percent sure she was alone? I'm just saying. but I do think there is an unknown male that was involved with this sojourn. either he came along moments later or picked her up later along the road. I will never believe she ran into the woods and froze to death...unless she had some kind of head injury and became disoriented...or if she was very intoxicated she went to throw up and lost consciousness in which case I think she would have been found rather quickly.

she would know better than to run into the freezing dark snow covered woods.

mOO

 

[minazoe]

okay there is 100 percent no evidence of this but what if she had a secret hook up with this guy, and then she found out she was pregnant...what if she went to discuss this with the secret hook up and the guy had no intention of becoming a father. Maura is Irish Catholic and maybe this has to to with why she was so upset and left school suddenly with a fake excuse.

women are murdered by their boyfriends over unwanted pregnancies all the time.

it's just a thought. and not meant to be hurtful to our victims. mOO

 

[Shamrock1]

If she intended to continue the pregnancy, she probably wouldn’t be drinking.

I’m certain that, in 2004, the university had ready resources for students who do not wish to continue their pregnancies.

But perhaps she had a miscarriage. Or perhaps she was planning to end the pregnancy. Either would explain the drinking and the “death in the family” email.

JMO