McSpy, I agree that Maura may have been upset and maybe just wanted to get away for a few days, but I keep going back to that Saturday night that she took the car back to her dad's hotel at 2:30. She also called her boyfriend at 4:30 that morning (Kind of an unusal time) to tell him about the accident, but he has stated that he swears she was holding back on something and that she way too upset for it to just be about the car wreck. He tried to get her to tell him what else was bothering her and she didn't come clean with anything.
NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - # 7
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My first thought, which came to my mind after reading your post, was maybe she was pregnant? Yet, I doubt she would drink after knowing or thinking she was possibly pregnant. I can't imagine what was bothering her. Her sister had a normal conversation with her on the phone prior to her breaking down crying on work study. Maybe, she was just hormonal and everything seemed like a big deal at the time? There were rumors she had a problem with an eating disorder at one time. I don't have any idea if they were true or not, but from what I have read, she kept her feelings to herself for the most part. She was only 21 years old, which can be a trying time in a persons life. Sometimes, people can be very dramatic at that age, so it is very difficult to gauge how serious her possible problems may have been.
very true McSpy, It could be a lot of things that upset her as well. I was trying to dig up the statements that the supervisor (Katie or kathy mayotte) gave concerning the Thursday night she escorted Maura back to the dorm, but I think those are no longer available. I just remember they offered a different perspective on Maura's state of mind that night then what has been reported typically in the news stories. You also find out from those statements, that Maura told her first fib of this whole ordeal to the supervisor. I remember the supervisor talking about trying to convince Maura to go to a nearby donut shop with her so Maura could get whatever was bothering her off her chest, but I don't believe Maura wanted to deal with it at all. The supervisor if i remmeber correctly also stated that she and Maura were friends that would go out to eat together and stuff, and i do know the supervisor was alarmed by Maura's entire demeanor that night and felt that it wasn't someting that should be dismissed as a one-time emotional outburst of some sort.
supervisor was Karen Mayotte and the link to her statement she made has been erased from Maura murray's website. (It was a confirmed credible statement too by family members of Maura.)
Drats, all I could find was posts where people were talking about Karen's statements about that thursday night, not directly her statement, however.
Drats, all I could find was posts where people were talking about Karen's statements about that thursday night, not directly her statement, however.
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Well, thats bizarre. Wonder why the family removed the statement?
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IIRC FM does not care for all the speculation about what happened in the days leading up to MM's disappearance .....
I don't think I would be far off to say that he would say what I've said a few posts ago:
"As one who is of the opinion that this is a homicide, not a suicide, everything that happened in the days and time leading up to MM arriving in Haverhill has nothing to do with her homicide. All it does is set the stage for her wanting to go away, and take a break from school.
Whatever happened to her happened to her there in Haverhill... "
I have been following this case for years. Everything about this case creeps me out. I was wondering, how come we never hear anything about MM's mom?
I saw pics of her car, and all I can think is she was drinking and driving, and that mixed with the "fact" that she probably hit her head on her windshield, I just wonder if she was disoriented and wandered into the woods. But, I really think someone picked her up since the dogs lost her scent, and it was only a short time from crash site to police arrival. So very heartbreaking and haunting. I live in southern NH, and have been thinking about taking a drive up there just to see the area.
I also see a man writing on the FB page for MM that he recently visited Woodsville , and had some really creepy photos around this sand pit with a pond, and many orbs floating around. Anyone know anything about this man? I am not sure I can name him here.....
I saw pics of her car, and all I can think is she was drinking and driving, and that mixed with the "fact" that she probably hit her head on her windshield, I just wonder if she was disoriented and wandered into the woods. But, I really think someone picked her up since the dogs lost her scent, and it was only a short time from crash site to police arrival. So very heartbreaking and haunting. I live in southern NH, and have been thinking about taking a drive up there just to see the area.
I also see a man writing on the FB page for MM that he recently visited Woodsville , and had some really creepy photos around this sand pit with a pond, and many orbs floating around. Anyone know anything about this man? I am not sure I can name him here.....
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I can respect and accept FM's opinion, and your own, but all aspects should be considered. Perhaps Maura did "go away, and take a break from school," and not only school, but something else. Obviously, she was running from something. Yes, perhaps she was murdered or abducted, but there is that possibility that she met up with someone and fled.
Knowing what happened in the days leading up to this disappearance is important....just as it would be to any missing persons case.
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On Maura's mom, she had passed away 2 years ago of cancer on Maura's birthday.
Here is is her obit:
http://southshorexpress.com/obituaries/2537-laurie-a-murray-61-former-nurse.html
I have to check this out! Orbs? Yikes!
I can't imagine what was going on inside her at the time. I guess the accident with her dad's car had just compounded her troubles, which lead to that fateful drive up to NH. We can only guess on what her issues were at the time. Sometimes, I think she had feelings for someone other than her boyfriend and that person had no idea of her feelings, which is not an unusual problem for someone who was 21 years old. Yet, whatever her issues were at the time, I think it lead to that fateful trip to NH. It seems like one bad decision lead to another. To me, she seemed to have been working on impulse.
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The supervisors statements were removed because the entire board has been removed.
I think in the early years right after Maura's disappearance, there was a lot of productive discussion coming from credible people that were in some way connected to either the area that Maura disappeared from, the school Maura went to or knew Maura or like I said the supervisor.
But over the years, there ended up being a lot of mis-information that led to the credible sources having to constantly correct people about facts. Also board catfighting broke out and almost all of the people that had some connection (even if it was small and minute) grew disinterested in the board.
So that is my theory on why they decided to close it down. But less than a year ago, you could still access it, even from way back in the early months of her disappearance and there was some detailed info that I believe was reliable and credible.
The supervisors statements were removed because the entire board has been removed.
I think in the early years right after Maura's disappearance, there was a lot of productive discussion coming from credible people that were in some way connected to either the area that Maura disappeared from, the school Maura went to or knew Maura or like I said the supervisor.
But over the years, there ended up being a lot of mis-information that led to the credible sources having to constantly correct people about facts. Also board catfighting broke out and almost all of the people that had some connection (even if it was small and minute) grew disinterested in the board.
So that is my theory on why they decided to close it down. But less than a year ago, you could still access it, even from way back in the early months of her disappearance and there was some detailed info that I believe was reliable and credible.
I will also say that I don't believe Maura was kidnapped By some random serial killer, based on everything I have researched in the past four years.
I don't think Maura was going to meet a secret lover either or that someone followed her from a gas station.
I honestly believe, Maura hid out in the woods (not deep in mind you) and wanted to wait until Police left the scene. Them towing her car left her with a dilemna. And I don't think she handled the situation well from then on. (She always had the option of going to the Westman's house for help or the Westman's neighbors that lived right before the sharp turn on the road. Or even the school bus driver's if she really wanted help that night.
The only instance of foul play that I can see happening would have to do with the contractor. His story is odd to say the least. I mean even if somehow he doesn't notice the commotion just 100 yards from his house (because he supposedly got home from work when the cops would've still been on scene) It's a small area, he lives right across the street from the bus driver and I am pretty sure he would've not needed so much time to tie 2 and 2 together and know that the "person he saw running" just might be that girl that everyone keeps talking about that is missing.
I don't think Maura was going to meet a secret lover either or that someone followed her from a gas station.
I honestly believe, Maura hid out in the woods (not deep in mind you) and wanted to wait until Police left the scene. Them towing her car left her with a dilemna. And I don't think she handled the situation well from then on. (She always had the option of going to the Westman's house for help or the Westman's neighbors that lived right before the sharp turn on the road. Or even the school bus driver's if she really wanted help that night.
The only instance of foul play that I can see happening would have to do with the contractor. His story is odd to say the least. I mean even if somehow he doesn't notice the commotion just 100 yards from his house (because he supposedly got home from work when the cops would've still been on scene) It's a small area, he lives right across the street from the bus driver and I am pretty sure he would've not needed so much time to tie 2 and 2 together and know that the "person he saw running" just might be that girl that everyone keeps talking about that is missing.
I've always been suspicious of the contractor. Note that the dogs lost her scent right in front of his house--yet, he claims to have seen her around 8pm, 4 or 5 miles up the road from the accident scene. He came forward in April 2004 right after there was a newspaper article about a famous psychic, who said that Maura was taken by a contractor and buried in a construction site in the area. The coincidence seems odd to me. He comes forward with his story right after that article. . . .He could be innocent, but I do believe he does merit a closer look.
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I don't know what to make about the search dogs. From all accounts I have come across concerning Fred Murray, I don't think he puts a lot of weight behind it. They (Police LE's) were late to say the least in even bringing the dogs out to search, there were questions about (Did they bring the right kind of search dogs out) air vs. ground or something like that and then did the dogs have a reliable source of clothing from Maura to draw a scent from.
I don't know what to make about the search dogs. From all accounts I have come across concerning Fred Murray, I don't think he puts a lot of weight behind it. They (Police LE's) were late to say the least in even bringing the dogs out to search, there were questions about (Did they bring the right kind of search dogs out) air vs. ground or something like that and then did the dogs have a reliable source of clothing from Maura to draw a scent from.
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At the risk of sounding pedantic - I was part of a paranormal investigative team for a few years and 'orbs' are something anyone should be very skeptical of. In most cases orbs caught on camera is the refraction of light from the camera on floating pollen or dust. There are some really good videos on youtube of paranormal investigators shaking out a blanket or shaking a flower and then taking a photo where you see orbs everywhere. That is the more extreme scenario, of course - there are also videos/pics of someone doing something as simple as rubbing up against something or even just walking, stirring up dust or pollen and in most cases and orb is nothing other than light refratction off of particles in the air. I know I sound like a big downer - I used to believe in the orb phenomena until I started working with several paranormal investigative groups and started educating myself and seeing how easily it is to mistake an orb for something mundane. But the positive of that is; if you are aware of how easily it is to take a photograph of an dust orb, or a photo with a piece of hair hanging over the lens creating a bright streak of light, or what a bug looks like when light is refracting off of it, it is much easier to spot something anamolous in your photos which is none of those things and warrants further investiation...........
Anyway, sorry, I don't want to hi-jack Maura's thread......and I promise I am not trying to be condescending or skeptical of everything. I am not. I do believe in the paranormal which is why I have been active in the process. With shows like My Ghost Story, where they constantly show orbs (aka dust particles) floating around, passing them off as ghosts a large majority of the public is being mislead - of course the show wants 'evidence' they can show their viewers and I am sure the producers get countless videos of people who have shot 'orbs' and even go so far as to point out faces in the orbs, our brains are wired to seek out familar patterns in things, especially faces, so it is not that surprising people are able to recognize facial patterns in something like an orb. Sometimes they do show anomalies which are truly interesting.....and that is why I continue watch. I am a member of an online forum called Unexplained Mysteries which has a lot of good and bad stuff about orbs. It is quite controversial because people want to believe they have witness something paranormal - especially people who are seeking it out.
My apologies, this was such a long post, I didn't intend for it to be. And this thread is not about what orbs are, it is about where and what happened to Maura. And THAT is way more baffling than orbs!
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Not sure I understand, forgive....
Are you of the suicide or homicide school of thought or ?
I'm of the homicide school of thought with the perp being someone who took advantage of the situation - could be a latent serial killer (if there is such a thing) or someone who acted on the spur of the moment...
I trying to remember the case in CA where a gal is in a car on a busy highway, gets upset, goes out of the car and begins walking along the busy hywy at night - she is then not seen. Tracking dogs track her just a short distance down the road (just like in MM case) and lose her scent.
She was found some time later (months, years, can' recall) to be victim of someone who was simply driving by that night and grabbed her.
Of course a busy CA hywy is nothing like where MM was, but since she did stop for gas, and since her car was disabled, she was exposed/vulnerable sadly just long enough...
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