NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - # 8

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  • #701
Interesting to say the least! It's certainly possible the wife of the "albino" was telling tales though. I wish I could meet these people to get a better idea on how they come across. I also found the comments interesting. Apparently, RF the contractor refused to have his property searched. I wonder why he had an issue with that? Sometimes perfectly innocent people will refuse to have their property searched, but when they say "no" it always makes me wonder if they are hiding something.

My opinions only, no facts here:

A stereotypical albino has pink eyes (and white hair), because only the color of blood in vessels in the eyes can be seen, but in the majority of cases of albinism, the eyes will still exhibit a blue, green, hazel, or even brown color. Any person of pale complexion and pale eyes might be mistakenly called an albino. Although there is the misconception of the "evil albino", there is some evidence that albinos may possess slightly higher IQ's than their non-albino siblings.

All that being said, I will further study this most recent report.
 
  • #702
My opinions only, no facts here:

A stereotypical albino has pink eyes (and white hair), because only the color of blood in vessels in the eyes can be seen, but in the majority of cases of albinism, the eyes will still exhibit a blue, green, hazel, or even brown color. Any person of pale complexion and pale eyes might be mistakenly called an albino. Although there is the misconception of the "evil albino", there is some evidence that albinos may possess slightly higher IQ's than their non-albino siblings.

All that being said, I will further study this most recent report.

Ah, yes. The "Evil Albino" plot device. :rolleyes:
 
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  • #704
Fred Murray wrote this regarding RF, the “Witness” in his May 2004 letter to NH Governor Benson:

“Recently, nearly three (3) months after the accident, a motorist (“Witness”) who was driving west on Route112 at about 8:00 PM on February 9 reported seeing a young person acting furtively heading very fast in an easterly direction at a point about four (4) to five (5) miles away from the scene of the crash. The time line and description of the individual’s appearance and clothing fits perfectly for this person to have been Maura.

This witness lives within just yards of the accident site, but said he had been confused about the exact date and time of that event because the state police had not interviewed him until 10 days had passed. As hard as this is to believe, it is actually true since an investigator helping the family questioned him on Sunday, February 15 and he said the police hadn’t been there to talk to him yet. At this point I appealed directly to the state police to pay attention to rudimentary procedure and turned our notes over to them. This apparently prompted a belated response, which led to the questioning of this witness on Thursday, February 19.” The letter goes on and can be read in its entirety at:

http://www.mauramurraymissing.com/Fredsletterstogovernor.html

Anyway… Witness apparently had a solid alibi for his whereabouts on February 9 at the time of disappearance. Ten weeks later (after Maura’s disappearance) Witness tells W at SSS on April 29, 2004 that he saw someone running 4-5 miles east on February 9 around 8pm. W in turn tells Fred Murray who relays this to LE who then re-interview Witness which prompts a search of that area on May 8, 2004 (or so).

Obviously Witness didn’t recall the sighting when he spoke to the Murray family investigator on February 15, or Fred would have mentioned that in the letter and searching would have, most likely, taken place at that time in that area 4-5 miles further east on Rte. 112.

If Witness told LE about the sighting on when he was interviewed on February 19 by LE perhaps they didn’t take it seriously? Or perhaps on February 19 Witness didn’t remember what he’d seen 10 days earlier and therefore wasn’t able to tell LE at that time? If Witness told LE on February 19 that he saw someone running 5 miles down the road and they didn’t react, perhaps he thought it would help nudge them into action if he told W at SSS in late April?

Or, possibly, Witness only put all the pieces together in late April (10 weeks and two interviews later) and decided to pass it along to W at SSS? It makes sense that he could have misplaced the business cards of LE and private investigator.

If you were interviewed by a private investigator on February 15, 6 days after Maura disappeared and didn’t remember seeing someone 4-5 miles down the road on that fateful night what would help jog your memory 9 weeks later? Or maybe there was nobody running there at all and Witness just got time and place confused?

Comments?
 
  • #705
Unscripted - good points! Don't know what to make of RF, especially after reading JR's blog about what his wife had said...
I thought I had read in other forums that RF's description of the person he saw was vague, that whomever it was was wearing a hoodie and he wasn't sure if it was male or female runner...
 
  • #706
Fred Murray wrote this regarding RF, the “Witness” in his May 2004 letter to NH Governor Benson:

“Recently, nearly three (3) months after the accident, a motorist (“Witness”) who was driving west on Route112 at about 8:00 PM on February 9 reported seeing a young person acting furtively heading very fast in an easterly direction at a point about four (4) to five (5) miles away from the scene of the crash. The time line and description of the individual’s appearance and clothing fits perfectly for this person to have been Maura.

This witness lives within just yards of the accident site, but said he had been confused about the exact date and time of that event because the state police had not interviewed him until 10 days had passed. As hard as this is to believe, it is actually true since an investigator helping the family questioned him on Sunday, February 15 and he said the police hadn’t been there to talk to him yet. At this point I appealed directly to the state police to pay attention to rudimentary procedure and turned our notes over to them. This apparently prompted a belated response, which led to the questioning of this witness on Thursday, February 19.” The letter goes on and can be read in its entirety at:

http://www.mauramurraymissing.com/Fredsletterstogovernor.html

Anyway… Witness apparently had a solid alibi for his whereabouts on February 9 at the time of disappearance. Ten weeks later (after Maura’s disappearance) Witness tells W at SSS on April 29, 2004 that he saw someone running 4-5 miles east on February 9 around 8pm. W in turn tells Fred Murray who relays this to LE who then re-interview Witness which prompts a search of that area on May 8, 2004 (or so).

Obviously Witness didn’t recall the sighting when he spoke to the Murray family investigator on February 15, or Fred would have mentioned that in the letter and searching would have, most likely, taken place at that time in that area 4-5 miles further east on Rte. 112.

If Witness told LE about the sighting on when he was interviewed on February 19 by LE perhaps they didn’t take it seriously? Or perhaps on February 19 Witness didn’t remember what he’d seen 10 days earlier and therefore wasn’t able to tell LE at that time? If Witness told LE on February 19 that he saw someone running 5 miles down the road and they didn’t react, perhaps he thought it would help nudge them into action if he told W at SSS in late April?

Or, possibly, Witness only put all the pieces together in late April (10 weeks and two interviews later) and decided to pass it along to W at SSS? It makes sense that he could have misplaced the business cards of LE and private investigator.

If you were interviewed by a private investigator on February 15, 6 days after Maura disappeared and didn’t remember seeing someone 4-5 miles down the road on that fateful night what would help jog your memory 9 weeks later? Or maybe there was nobody running there at all and Witness just got time and place confused?

Comments?

According to what I have read on this, RF came forward in April, because he realized that he was working that day (the day Maura disappeared), so the person he saw running was possibly her. He thought it was another day when he saw that person running down the road, which may be the reason he never mentioned it to the investigator, who canvassed the neighborhood 10 days after Maura disappeared.
 
  • #707
Unscripted - good points! Don't know what to make of RF, especially after reading JR's blog about what his wife had said...
I thought I had read in other forums that RF's description of the person he saw was vague, that whomever it was was wearing a hoodie and he wasn't sure if it was male or female runner...

Oldsteve, I'm thinking it was an unusual sight to see someone running along one of those dark rural roads at night in the winter, which maybe why he recalled the sighting. In other words, it is rare, so it was probably Maura.
 
  • #708
I was able to find a link with posts filled with old news articles on this case. I'm finding that a lot of the old news links are disappearing. Here is an excerpt about RF's siting:

A local contractor named Rick Forcier had reported seeing Maura on the night of her accident around 8 about 4 to 5 miles from the scene of her abandoned car. Forcier lived on Wild Ammonoosuc Road about 100 yards from where Maura's car was found.

Forcier was returning home from a contract job in Franconia about 17 miles away when he observed a young woman who fit Maura's description running eastbound on Route 112.

When Forcier was first questioned by police, ten days after Maura disappeared, he did not mention seeing the girl running because he was confused about the dates and mistakenly thought it had been two nights after Maura's accident.


http://s10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t13207.htm
 
  • #709
I posted a comment on JR's blog, and I thought I'd post some of my questions here, too, just to get some discussion started. I'm curious what everyone thinks of this. JR suggests that Maura went to meet someone and that person is the one who harmed her. I posted the following questions for Mr. Renner, and now I'm posting here to see others' opinions, too.

"...I guess I just don't see how this person would have serendipidously been at the scene of the accident and harmed her.

Can you explain a little bit about your theories surrounding how the person she planned to meet could have possibly been involved in her disappearance? Do you believe he or she (most likely he) caused the accident somehow and used it as an opportunity to take her? Do you believe she somehow got in touch with him afterward to come pick her up? Do you think he just coincidentally happened to be there when she wrecked?

Another question: Do you think this person had planned to do harm to Maura all along and that the wreck really has nothing to do with what happened?..."
 
  • #710
I posted a comment on JR's blog, and I thought I'd post some of my questions here, too, just to get some discussion started. I'm curious what everyone thinks of this. JR suggests that Maura went to meet someone and that person is the one who harmed her. I posted the following questions for Mr. Renner, and now I'm posting here to see others' opinions, too.

"...I guess I just don't see how this person would have serendipidously been at the scene of the accident and harmed her.

Can you explain a little bit about your theories surrounding how the person she planned to meet could have possibly been involved in her disappearance? Do you believe he or she (most likely he) caused the accident somehow and used it as an opportunity to take her? Do you believe she somehow got in touch with him afterward to come pick her up? Do you think he just coincidentally happened to be there when she wrecked?

Another question: Do you think this person had planned to do harm to Maura all along and that the wreck really has nothing to do with what happened?..."

The problem I have with this scenario is that there would have been some record of correspondence (phone or email) between her and this secret friend. She also couldn't use her phone in the area of the accident, since there was no signal. It is possible she landed on someone's doorstep though. Perhaps an acquaintance from her summers there, lived there year round. Anything is possible I suppose, but I do have questions on how she pulled it off with no phone or email trace. If she did meet up with someone, it could have been by landline in NH. Maybe, she got to town and used a landline phone there.
 
  • #711
Wow! James's blog is really heating up with lots of comments to his:
Wednesday, January 18, 2012 Common Sense *UPDATE*
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/

I wish we could get that kind of dialog to take place here!

Essentially, James is wondering what the odds are of MM going on the trip she did without telling anyone, and why (if so) has not anyone who knew of her plans come forward...
 
  • #712
Wow! James's blog is really heating up with lots of comments to his:
Wednesday, January 18, 2012 Common Sense *UPDATE*
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/

I wish we could get that kind of dialog to take place here!

Essentially, James is wondering what the odds are of MM going on the trip she did without telling anyone, and why (if so) has not anyone who knew of her plans come forward...

I'm not so sure that she did tell anyone, especially if it was a spontaneous trip and she wanted to be alone with her thoughts. She could have planned to make calls after she arrived at her destination. On "Disappeared," I recall a childhood friend of Maura's telling a story about Maura having taken a trip up to Boston on her own without telling anyone. I think this happened when Maura was a teen (not absolutely sure of age). Although, it does illustrate that she was brave and impulsive enough to just take off on her own without informing anyone.
 
  • #713
I haven't followed this case closely at all but have seen some information about it on television. I saw on a show that Maura had stopped at a liquor store the night she went missing. Does anyone know if the liquor was found in her car after she went missing?
 
  • #714
I haven't followed this case closely at all but have seen some information about it on television. I saw on a show that Maura had stopped at a liquor store the night she went missing. Does anyone know if the liquor was found in her car after she went missing?

The story on this keeps changing. At first, it was reported that she took all the alcohol with her in her backpack OR that it was missing. As time went on it changed to all the alcohol was found in the car to some of the alcohol being found in the car and she took only the bottle of kahlua. I really don't know what to think on this anymore. Some of this info was from news media articles and the rest from people (bloggers/sleuther/writers) contacting the police for the info.
 
  • #715
I'm not so sure that she did tell anyone, especially if it was a spontaneous trip and she wanted to be alone with her thoughts. She could have planned to make calls after she arrived at her destination. On "Disappeared," I recall a childhood friend of Maura's telling a story about Maura having taken a trip up to Boston on her own without telling anyone. I think this happened when Maura was a teen (not absolutely sure of age). Although, it does illustrate that she was brave and impulsive enough to just take off on her own without informing anyone.

You make a good point! When I was about her age, I would take off on trips without telling anyone till I got to where I was going. Back then there were no cell phones; only pay phones.... but I can still feel the feeling of being so caught up in the trip, the last thing on my mind was contacting others....
Of course, I'm personalizing this to the way I though... and on that score, I would never have gone on a long trip if I thought my car was not in perfect shape.
 
  • #716
My opinions only, no facts here:

To 'Unscripted', you ask important questions. Keep up the good work.

I have covered this before, but mention it again from time to time:

I believe that no one named in this case (as a witness or otherwise) is directly involved with Maura's disappearance. I do not completely rule out the "Maura went on a marathon run down the road scenario", but only give that a 0.5 out of 7 chance of having occurred. The reason for this is because the tracking dog did NOT go miles down the road; it went 100 yards to where the scent ended. I also believe that the police acted professionally from day one. I only wish that I knew exactly how the police constructed their interviews while going door-to-door in the neighborhood. One thing that they should have asked is: do you have any relatives, friends of relatives, friends, or work associates living with you temporarily or temporarily living close to your house?
 
  • #717
The tracking dogs only going a short distance is tricky - IIRC depending on the type of dog used, and these dogs in general, going a short distance... Need someone who knows to comment. I believe that when a dog is tracking as in this case where her car was and the scent would be the strongest, they only go about 100yds because then the scent going forward is weak compared to the stronger scent where the car was, so the stop at that point. If I am wrong about this, and someone is a dog expert, please correct.
 
  • #718
I posted a comment on JR's blog, and I thought I'd post some of my questions here, too, just to get some discussion started. I'm curious what everyone thinks of this. JR suggests that Maura went to meet someone and that person is the one who harmed her. I posted the following questions for Mr. Renner, and now I'm posting here to see others' opinions, too.

"...I guess I just don't see how this person would have serendipidously been at the scene of the accident and harmed her.

Can you explain a little bit about your theories surrounding how the person she planned to meet could have possibly been involved in her disappearance? Do you believe he or she (most likely he) caused the accident somehow and used it as an opportunity to take her? Do you believe she somehow got in touch with him afterward to come pick her up? Do you think he just coincidentally happened to be there when she wrecked?

Another question: Do you think this person had planned to do harm to Maura all along and that the wreck really has nothing to do with what happened?..."

Enjoyed reading your thoughts!
It's possible she was going to meet someone, but don't see the two of them traveling in parallel. Possible, but why travel like that? Why would she bother to even use her car then.
I totally agree if a companion was traveling in parallel - why would this person harm her? Just the opposite, IMO, the person would help her.
 
  • #719
You make a good point! When I was about her age, I would take off on trips without telling anyone till I got to where I was going. Back then there were no cell phones; only pay phones.... but I can still feel the feeling of being so caught up in the trip, the last thing on my mind was contacting others....
Of course, I'm personalizing this to the way I though... and on that score, I would never have gone on a long trip if I thought my car was not in perfect shape.


BBM

I know what you mean, but in Maura's situation at the time, I think she was emotional and just winged it. Meaning, she took the risk and threw caution to the wind. This is just speculation on my part.
 
  • #720
My opinions only, no facts here:

To 'Unscripted', you ask important questions. Keep up the good work.

I have covered this before, but mention it again from time to time:

I believe that no one named in this case (as a witness or otherwise) is directly involved with Maura's disappearance. I do not completely rule out the "Maura went on a marathon run down the road scenario", but only give that a 0.5 out of 7 chance of having occurred. The reason for this is because the tracking dog did NOT go miles down the road; it went 100 yards to where the scent ended. I also believe that the police acted professionally from day one. I only wish that I knew exactly how the police constructed their interviews while going door-to-door in the neighborhood. One thing that they should have asked is: do you have any relatives, friends of relatives, friends, or work associates living with you temporarily or temporarily living close to your house?

I'd like to add that unfortunately the police didn't interview the neighborhood until 10 days after Maura's disappearance from the accident scene.
 
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