NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - # 9

[dllvt]

If you look at the photo with the original flyers made by the family you can see the depth of the snow. It's hard to know for sure without knowing whats underneath (rocks, brush, fallen limbs) looks like about 18 inches. Also look at the photo along the pole line with Maura's brother & sister. You can see the snow isnt very deep.

http://kunhardtphoto.com/missingmaura

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Bumping for Maura

 

[Unscripted]

If you look at the photo with the original flyers made by the family you can see the depth of the snow. It's hard to know for sure without knowing whats underneath (rocks, brush, fallen limbs) looks like about 18 inches. Also look at the photo along the pole line with Maura's brother & sister. You can see the snow isnt very deep.

http://kunhardtphoto.com/missingmaura

By all accounts, including your own terrific memory, the winter of 2003/2004 was relatively mild. It looks as if (in the above-linked photos) the snow had melted into a hardened crust and then there was a light dusting of snow in the days after Maura disappeared.

I truly do not believe she walked into the woods and succumbed to the elements. Not for a nano-second.

:welcome::welcome::welcome:

 

[scoops]

Just for discussion:

Here are some quotes (taken from an old message board) from Petrit Vasi, the hit-and-run victim that was found lying in the road (a block away from where maura was working) at 12:20 a.m., the same night Maura had a major breakdown of some sort while she was working the security desk at the Melville Dorm.

According to Maura’s supervisor, Maura was found by the supervisor in a zombie-like state at approx. 1:15 a.m. and had to be relieved of her duty. Maura’s shift was scheduled to end at 2 a.m.

No substantial link has ever been made between Maura and Petrit.
Police, IMHO, did not do a solid investigation into petrit’s hit and run, they can’t even say for sure if Petrit was struck by a car or beat up by a bunch of guys or whether or not petrit was car surfing and fell out of a moving car.


Nonetheless

Petrit Vasi in his own words:
First Post:
Hello to everybody that is involved with the search. I am Petrit. Somehow I have been linked with Maura because I had an accident that left me in a coma the same day that Maura dissapeared. I just want to say this once, not because I am tired of explaining, even though just a cilantro bit, but because I really dont know anything. I did not know Maura, dont know nothing about her, I feel bad for her family but I cannot healp since I know nothing myself. I dont know who caused my accident. I am unnaware of the schools cameras, or even if they had any. I was a college student that went to school, to my room, and hang out with friends. That is what college students do. We dont pay attention to details because we are young and stupid. I feel for Maura's family but I cannot help because I dont even know what happened to me. I went to a bar, got intoxicated, as I was walking apparently a car hit me. Anything more I do not know. I hope this puts to rest all of your questions and the link that apparently some of you think exists between me and Maura.
Thank you

Second Post: (responding to questions about how he has recovered)
thank you for asking I am doing ok. Life goes on and time heals

Third Post:
I am here only because I have some people who have requested me to come and answer your questions. I dont have time to talk about anything that has happened because, forgive me if I insult anyone, but it has already passed. Again I hope maura gets found, or the responsible parties are found, and I hope that her case is not the past. But my involvment with the case, doesnt even need to be the past, since its not connected. I will pray for Maura and everybody in this world that suffers, sadly not everyone can be helped

Fourth Post: (asked about an investigation into his hit and run)
Actually I believe my case is still open. Or unsolved, whatever the people prefer to call it. I did not have any clothes because they were at the police station because the case was still open and the cops would not talk to anybody about that, even though after I woke up I was so happy to be alive and well that I didnt really think twice about anything that had already happened to me. I do have some scars on my body that are consistent with being hit by a car, but I seriously doubt it that Maura was the one that hit me. Because I believe I was found around 12-1 AM. I am not that sure.

 

[scoops]

A closer look at Maura's cell phone activity on that mysterious Thursday night where maura went on to have a breakdown at work (just after 1 a.m.)

Petrit Vasi was found lying in the road the block over from where maura worked security at 12:20 a.m. (meaning the hit and run likely took place minutes earlier).

Question: Why have we been misled by both maura's family and police?

Here is maura's calls (Both incoming and outgoing) spanning from her thursday night shift at the security desk, deep into Friday morning.

Maura Murray Cell Phone Calls
Thur Feb 5 ==== (Incoming) --- 7:17 p.m. to 7:37 p.m.
Thur Feb 5==== (Outgoing) --- Amherst last four 9411 ---- 8:40 p.m. to 8:43 p.m.
Thur Feb 5 ====(Outgoing) --- New City, NY last four 8290 ---- 9:09 p.m.
Thur Feb 5 ====(Outgoing) --- New City, NY last four 8290 ---- 9:55 p.m.
Thur Feb 5 === (Incoming) --------- 9:56 p.m. to 10:02 p.m.
Thur Feb 5 = (Outgoing) --- Hanover, Ma last four 7271 --- 10:10 p.m. to 10:38 p.m.
Fri Feb 6 === (Outgoing) – New City, NY last four 8290 – 12:07 a.m. to 12:14 a.m.

Fri Feb 6 === (Outgoing) – Amherst last four 8911 ---- 3:40 a.m. to 3:42 a.m.


Domino’s Pizza --- Amherst, Ma (413) 256-8911
Rao’s Coffee --- Amherst, Ma (413) 253-9411
Hanover, Mass --- Confirmed number of Maura’s older sister

West Point is approx. 22 miles from New City, New York. (Either Billy or maura’s sister Julie or both could have cell phone plans from this area (that follow them wherever they move). So even if Billy is in Oklahoma any cell phone call he makes to someone else will show up as a new city, Ny number.


Why have we been mis-led? Or are police this stupid.

They keep trying to link the 10 o clock phone call as to why maura broke down at work when that clearly is not the case.

And why has no one (in maura's family and friend set) as well as investigators ever talked about the 12:07 to 12:14 a.m. call.

This particular call can all but determine if maura was at her security post or in her car talking (and rule in or rule out the possiblity that maura was involved in the hit and run which could've taken place while she was on the phone during this particular phone converstation, or (the hit and run) happened moments before or moments after this particular phone call.

Weird.

 

[McSpy]

A closer look at Maura's cell phone activity on that mysterious Thursday night where maura went on to have a breakdown at work (just after 1 a.m.)

Petrit Vasi was found lying in the road the block over from where maura worked security at 12:20 a.m. (meaning the hit and run likely took place minutes earlier).

Question: Why have we been misled by both maura's family and police?

Here is maura's calls (Both incoming and outgoing) spanning from her thursday night shift at the security desk, deep into Friday morning.

Maura Murray Cell Phone Calls
Thur Feb 5 ==== (Incoming) --- 7:17 p.m. to 7:37 p.m.
Thur Feb 5==== (Outgoing) --- Amherst last four 9411 ---- 8:40 p.m. to 8:43 p.m.
Thur Feb 5 ====(Outgoing) --- New City, NY last four 8290 ---- 9:09 p.m.
Thur Feb 5 ====(Outgoing) --- New City, NY last four 8290 ---- 9:55 p.m.
Thur Feb 5 === (Incoming) --------- 9:56 p.m. to 10:02 p.m.
Thur Feb 5 = (Outgoing) --- Hanover, Ma last four 7271 --- 10:10 p.m. to 10:38 p.m.
Fri Feb 6 === (Outgoing) – New City, NY last four 8290 – 12:07 a.m. to 12:14 a.m.

Fri Feb 6 === (Outgoing) – Amherst last four 8911 ---- 3:40 a.m. to 3:42 a.m.


Domino’s Pizza --- Amherst, Ma (413) 256-8911
Rao’s Coffee --- Amherst, Ma (413) 253-9411
Hanover, Mass --- Confirmed number of Maura’s older sister

West Point is approx. 22 miles from New City, New York. (Either Billy or maura’s sister Julie or both could have cell phone plans from this area (that follow them wherever they move). So even if Billy is in Oklahoma any cell phone call he makes to someone else will show up as a new city, Ny number.


Why have we been mis-led? Or are police this stupid.

They keep trying to link the 10 o clock phone call as to why maura broke down at work when that clearly is not the case.

And why has no one (in maura's family and friend set) as well as investigators ever talked about the 12:07 to 12:14 a.m. call.

This particular call can all but determine if maura was at her security post or in her car talking (and rule in or rule out the possiblity that maura was involved in the hit and run which could've taken place while she was on the phone during this particular phone converstation, or (the hit and run) happened moments before or moments after this particular phone call.

Weird.

Wouldn't there be at least a small piece of debris in the road after Petrit was hit? Something usually comes off the car. Maybe it didn't match a GM car? Maura's car had plastic parts (fenders, bumper, headlight cover). Some of it should have been in the street. This could have determined the color of the car. Also, there has been no mention of anyone noticing her car having any damage. One would think someone would have come forward about noticing damage on her car. I'm just being the devil's advocate here.

 

[scoops]

Wouldn't there be at least a small piece of debris in the road after Petrit was hit? Something usually comes off the car. Maybe it didn't match a GM car? Maura's car had plastic parts (fenders, bumper, headlight cover). Some of it should have been in the street. This could have determined the color of the car. Also, there has been no mention of anyone noticing her car having any damage. One would think someone would have come forward about noticing damage on her car. I'm just being the devil's advocate here.

That would be a great question for amherst police or umass police. It seems like they are operating a few bricks shy of an all-brick outhouse.

They obviously did a poor job investigating Petrit Vasi's hit and run.

I read in an old newspaper article from vasi's mom that they had to cut physical therapy off for her son early because they ran out of money and there was no one to point to for blame for his injuries.

I wouldn't be surprised (and I'm not trying to be sarcastic) that the night the call came in about vasi laying in the road that the police didn't just come scoop him up or have an ambulance come out and scoop him up (thinking its just a drunk college student passed out) then realizing after the fact that it was way more serious. (afte it was too late and the crime scene was left unsecured).

The hit and run didn't become public knowledge (first newspaper report) until the VERY SAME day that Maura bolted from the campus and headed towards new hampshire.

 

[McSpy]

That would be a great question for amherst police or umass police. It seems like they are operating a few bricks shy of an all-brick outhouse.

They obviously did a poor job investigating Petrit Vasi's hit and run.

I read in an old newspaper article from vasi's mom that they had to cut physical therapy off for her son early because they ran out of money and there was no one to point to for blame for his injuries.

I wouldn't be surprised (and I'm not trying to be sarcastic) that the night the call came in about vasi laying in the road that the police didn't just come scoop him up or have an ambulance come out and scoop him up (thinking its just a drunk college student passed out) then realizing after the fact that it was way more serious. (afte it was too late and the crime scene was left unsecured).

The hit and run didn't become public knowledge (first newspaper report) until the VERY SAME day that Maura bolted from the campus and headed towards new hampshire.

Do you know what kind of injuries Petrit suffered? Did he have any broken bones and/or head injury?

 

[scoops]

Do you know what kind of injuries Petrit suffered? Did he have any broken bones and/or head injury?

I know he didn't wake up for over a month (was in a coma).

When he did finally come to is when (IMO, the investigation began) and by then police had three different theories as to what happened to him.

1. He was struck by a hit and run driver
2. He was car surfing and was flung from the car
3. He was jumped by a bunch of rowdies who beat him into a coma and stole his money.


Police have gone on record (after the fact) and stated that his injuries (life long scars on his body) are consistent with being struck by a car.

 

[jackfrost]

I know he didn't wake up for over a month (was in a coma).

When he did finally come to is when (IMO, the investigation began) and by then police had three different theories as to what happened to him.

1. He was struck by a hit and run driver
2. He was car surfing and was flung from the car
3. He was jumped by a bunch of rowdies who beat him into a coma and stole his money.


Police have gone on record (after the fact) and stated that his injuries (life long scars on his body) are consistent with being struck by a car.

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[melodyl]

Just thinking out loud, but wouldn't the police have been able to say for sure that he was struck by a car if there were pieces of the car left on the scene? Its possible that he could have been struck by just the corner edge of the bumper and thrown far enough to cause critical injuries (striking his head when landing). If that were the case then it would be reasonable that little damage would be done to the car and there would be no broken lights, etc.

 

[melodyl]

Also, isn't it just as probable that Maura did not intend to commit suicide, that she was simply going off for a few days to get her head together and then died from exposure due to the effects of the alcohol (maybe she passed out). One more thought, the rag in her tailpipe, could she have been exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning and not been as coherent as the bus driver thought?

 

[scoops]

Also, isn't it just as probable that Maura did not intend to commit suicide, that she was simply going off for a few days to get her head together and then died from exposure due to the effects of the alcohol (maybe she passed out). One more thought, the rag in her tailpipe, could she have been exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning and not been as coherent as the bus driver thought?

All posibilities are wide open.

dying from exposure was my first theory. But in that theory, it means she wouldn't have hidden herself and wherever she passed away her back pack would've been left behind and likely found by now

Who knows about the rag. It could've been a failed spur of the moment suicide attempt or it could've been put there as her father suggests as some sort of way to cover smoke coming out of the muffler.

 

[Kiln Wood]

Earlier today I drove all 56 miles of NH Route 112 from east (Conway) to west (Bath). When I was about three miles east of where Maura's car was found, the road was being repaved.

I pulled over, got out of the car, and spoke to members of the paving crew. I asked them to please keep an eye out for anything that may look like remains of any type, and I told them about Maura's disappearance. There was a general awareness of Maura's disappearance, but no one seemed to know that her disappearance is still an open, unsolved case.

Last year I seem to recall I was on the same stretch of NH Route 112 toward the end of July, and there was extensive road construction ongoing. I remember speaking to the crew then, but no one from the crew I spoke to today had been involved with the construction last summer.

I remain hopeful that someone, somewhere has a clue to Maura's disappearance (even if that person isn't aware the clue is related to Maura), and eventually Maura's family who loves her so much will have closure.

 

[OldSteve]

Earlier today I drove all 56 miles of NH Route 112 from east (Conway) to west (Bath). When I was about three miles east of where Maura's car was found, the road was being repaved.

I pulled over, got out of the car, and spoke to members of the paving crew. I asked them to please keep an eye out for anything that may look like remains of any type, and I told them about Maura's disappearance. There was a general awareness of Maura's disappearance, but no one seemed to know that her disappearance is still an open, unsolved case.

Last year I seem to recall I was on the same stretch of NH Route 112 toward the end of July, and there was extensive road construction ongoing. I remember speaking to the crew then, but no one from the crew I spoke to today had been involved with the construction last summer.

I remain hopeful that someone, somewhere has a clue to Maura's disappearance (even if that person isn't aware the clue is related to Maura), and eventually Maura's family who loves her so much will have closure.

I remember your post about the repaving last year, and when I saw today's post I thought there was some sort of mixup, as if it somehow got repeated - till I read on, I see it's not. They sure do lots of work on that road!

Maura's case reminds me of the McStay family case in that there just about nothing to go on once the person/family has gone missing, versus all the conjecture/theories we come up with based upon bits and pieces we find out about their lives before they are gone.

I wonder what it would be like if in the Mickey Shunick case there had been no video surveillance that led to finding the who got her. She was simply at the wrong place, at the wrong time.

What if Mickey simply had been taken and nothing more found (like in Maura's case). Most likely we (including myself) would all be digging into her background, family, and that of the person she was last with coming up with all sorts of theories!

 

[Kiln Wood]

I remember your post about the repaving last year, and when I saw today's post I thought there was some sort of mixup, as if it somehow got repeated - till I read on, I see it's not. They sure do lots of work on that road!
Maura's case reminds me of the McStay family case in that there just about nothing to go on once the person/family has gone missing, versus all the conjecture/theories we come up with based upon bits and pieces we find out about their lives before they are gone.

I wonder what it would be like if in the Mickey Shunick case there had been no video surveillance that led to finding the who got her. She was simply at the wrong place, at the wrong time.

What if Mickey simply had been taken and nothing more found (like in Maura's case). Most likely we (including myself) would all be digging into her background, family, and that of the person she was last with coming up with all sorts of theories!

BBM 1: I lived in "The North Country" of New Hampshire (part of the Great North Woods) for 11 years, and I used to frequently travel in the part of NH where Maura went missing--and more so where Celina Cass lived and was murdered. Our "Scoop" here on WS and James Renner have done a LOT to elevate awareness of the "wilderness" aspect of the area from which Maura disappeared. The winter (heavy snowfalls, ice, and wind) and the spring (mud from winter runoff exacerbated by heavy rain and wind) combine to wreak havoc with the roads. NH 112, particularly east of Lincoln where it is more familiarly known as "The Kanc," has considerable traffic in the warmer weather months (it's closed in winter)--and it carries the weight of many tourists visiting the various natural and manmade attractions along its route (lots of "streams of revenue"). Between the harsh weather and the "tourist traffic," the State of New Hampshire seems to be attempting to keep the road in decent shape even given the tough economy; on my drive across 112 this year, it seems that there are lots of vehicles from all the New England states as well as many vehicles with New York plates--which I did not see last summer. LOTS of hikers were out and about this year too.....

BBM 2: Strongly agree

Thank you for your post and your wonderful insight!

 

[McSpy]

I remember your post about the repaving last year, and when I saw today's post I thought there was some sort of mixup, as if it somehow got repeated - till I read on, I see it's not. They sure do lots of work on that road!

Maura's case reminds me of the McStay family case in that there just about nothing to go on once the person/family has gone missing, versus all the conjecture/theories we come up with based upon bits and pieces we find out about their lives before they are gone.

I wonder what it would be like if in the Mickey Shunick case there had been no video surveillance that led to finding the who got her. She was simply at the wrong place, at the wrong time.

What if Mickey simply had been taken and nothing more found (like in Maura's case). Most likely we (including myself) would all be digging into her background, family, and that of the person she was last with coming up with all sorts of theories!

So true, Old Steve. It is almost like we are hoping for an "aha!" moment by examining every little detail. As if we are going to wake up in the middle of the night with the answer to what happened to Maura and where to find her.

 

[McSpy]

BBM 1: I lived in "The North Country" of New Hampshire (part of the Great North Woods) for 11 years, and I used to frequently travel in the part of NH where Maura went missing--and more so where Celina Cass lived and was murdered. Our "Scoop" here on WS and James Renner have done a LOT to elevate awareness of the "wilderness" aspect of the area from which Maura disappeared. The winter (heavy snowfalls, ice, and wind) and the spring (mud from winter runoff exacerbated by heavy rain and wind) combine to wreak havoc with the roads. NH 112, particularly east of Lincoln where it is more familiarly known as "The Kanc," has considerable traffic in the warmer weather months (it's closed in winter)--and it carries the weight of many tourists visiting the various natural and manmade attractions along its route (lots of "streams of revenue"). Between the harsh weather and the "tourist traffic," the State of New Hampshire seems to be attempting to keep the road in decent shape even given the tough economy; on my drive across 112 this year, it seems that there are lots of vehicles from all the New England states as well as many vehicles with New York plates--which I did not see last summer. LOTS of hikers were out and about this year too.....

BBM 2: Strongly agree

Thank you for your post and your wonderful insight!

Kiln, have you ever asked anyone in the area business establishments about Maura in your travels in the area? I'm wondering if there are any rumors circulating. Sometimes there is some truth to a rumor, such as people noticing suspicious actions of an individual or having overheard a strange conversation.

 

[OldSteve]

So true, Old Steve. It is almost like we are hoping for an "aha!" moment by examining every little detail. As if we are going to wake up in the middle of the night with the answer to what happened to Maura and where to find her.

Well said!
I guess the simplest, and probably most likely scenario is that Maura was simply at the wrong place, wrong time and was taken or got into a vehicle she never should have...
That's most straight forward way for her to disappear with no trace.

Next, would be her becoming so upset with herself and life in general that she continued on somehow to a mountain top and jumped off, winding up far below, never to be found...

I view that as somewhat less likely because she would have needed a ride to get to the mountains and that increases the odds of someone remembering something - either giving her a ride, or of her staying someplace till the next day to get a ride... also the more she has time to think, the less likely I think she would want to disappear without leaving a note and not letting family know her intentions, since it become more of a real suicide, versus desperate act done in haste.

Thirdly, would be of her running that night in a state of being mad at herself, mad at the world; running till near exhaustion, and then turning into the forest, scumming to hypothermia in a state of confusion about life... but would think she would have found by now - in that state would she say to herself I want to make sure I'm never found?

 

[Kiln Wood]

Kiln, have you ever asked anyone in the area business establishments about Maura in your travels in the area? I'm wondering if there are any rumors circulating. Sometimes there is some truth to a rumor, such as people noticing suspicious actions of an individual or having overheard a strange conversation.

BBM

I did stop last year and chat with four different folks tending retail establishments on the western end of Route 112; this year I did not.

It's not my intention to be banned from WS so I'm being deliberately tactful. Because there has been no one named as a POI or a suspect, I can only go so far as to say that there was discussion at three of my stops about a local resident who is "an oddball." Now in that part of the world such a comment is interesting if only because New Hampshire is the "Live Free or Die" state, and "differences" are generally tolerated.

The emphasis was not so much about this person doing something harmful to Maura, but rather that this person spends a lot of time "puttering around in the woods" and thus may have seen "something." My feeling is that James Renner definitely would have heard the same thing I heard, and he very well may have chased this "rumor" down. I certainly hope so.