NJ- 17 year old best friends killed in hit and run, family of one victim says she was "stalked" for months by suspect

[theonewithallthequestions]

Though I share your frustrations, the key might be in the "hasassing" nature of his actions. There seems to be two organizations capable of helping the targeted victim: School and police.

Evidently, he was expelled from the school that he attended with the targeted victim. Expulsion from school, however, is an administrative process and is relatively easy.

That leaves the police. Police need actual criminal behavior to take action. At some point, harassment (non criminal) turns into stalking which is criminal. That point, however, may, or may not of been reached yet.

It also looks like the police were responsive to the harassment as the murderer complains to a friend that the police stopped him after pulling a stunt. But.... there might be limitations on how much attention the police can give one individual verse others being harassed or stalked.

I may lean too much towards being protective of the police. They might have been able to do more. Then again, they may not of. But, at the end of the day, US police operate in a democracy and need clear violations of written laws to take action. Likewise, they do not have the proverbial "Crystal balls" to determine which harassing ex stays administratively creepy and which will eventually commit murder.

Could be wrong, but from what I understand he was expelled from a previous school for issues he was having and then attended another high school (this is the school with the victim). I believe complaints were brought to the attention of the new school by the victim’s mother, but I’m unclear what or if anything came from it

As for the police, given his ties to two police officers, I still believe they dropped the ball and didn’t do all they could to protect the victim

 

[caradana]

So happy to see that the mother has Brent Bramnick as an atty. Brent Bramnick | Bramnick, Grabas, Arnold & Mangan, LLC

Consulted with him years ago on an unrelated matter and came away thoroughly impressed. Confident he will pursue information and answers all the way to the end.

 

[CityKid]

Though I share your frustrations, the key might be in the "hasassing" nature of his actions. There seems to be two organizations capable of helping the targeted victim: School and police.

Evidently, he was expelled from the school that he attended with the targeted victim. Expulsion from school, however, is an administrative process and is relatively easy.

That leaves the police. Police need actual criminal behavior to take action. At some point, harassment (non criminal) turns into stalking which is criminal. That point, however, may, or may not of been reached yet.

It also looks like the police were responsive to the harassment as the murderer complains to a friend that the police stopped him after pulling a stunt. But.... there might be limitations on how much attention the police can give one individual verse others being harassed or stalked.

I may lean too much towards being protective of the police. They might have been able to do more. Then again, they may not of. But, at the end of the day, US police operate in a democracy and need clear violations of written laws to take action. Likewise, they do not have the proverbial "Crystal balls" to determine which harassing ex stays administratively creepy and which will eventually commit murder.

BBM. Surely the parent(s) are notified if their child is expelled from school, and the reason explained to them? MOO that should be the case.

 

[Spectrix]

BBM. Surely the parent(s) are notified if their child is expelled from school, and the reason explained to them? MOO that should be the case.

I saw a small portion of a video that this kid streamed where he mentioned being expelled from school and that his parents had been supportive of him, though I imagine at that point they had been sympathetic to whatever side of the story he presented to them.

Now that it's clear he's murdered these two innocent girls, perhaps the parents have been forced to accept what kind of person he really is.
I do feel bad for them, their son's terrible decisions and need to act on perceived injustices has now ruined a whole lot of lives, including theirs.

 

[Cryptic]

BBM. Surely the parent(s) are notified if their child is expelled from school, and the reason explained to them? MOO that should be the case.

I am very certain that you are right.

Expulsion involves an administrative process that has appeal rights- though I imagine that the administrative process can be accelerated depending on the severity of the case with successful appeals being very unlikely.

But... even with an accelerated implementation and a "Not coming back" conclusion, the parents would have still received notice as to why. In a gradual implementation, I imagine there would have confrences with staff, maybe a series of suspensions etc.

 

[CityKid]

I saw a small portion of a video that this kid streamed where he mentioned being expelled from school and that his parents had been supportive of him, though I imagine at that point they had been sympathetic to whatever side of the story he presented to them.

Now that it's clear he's murdered these two innocent girls, perhaps the parents have been forced to accept what kind of person he really is.
I do feel bad for them, their son's terrible decisions and need to act on perceived injustices has now ruined a whole lot of lives, including theirs.

I feel bad for the parents IF they've been doing something to keep on top of this alleged miscreant's behaviors. Did they allow him access to the car? Did they check up on his SM activity and his comings and goings? He's a minor.

 

[Spectrix]

I feel bad for the parents IF they've been doing something to keep on top of this alleged miscreant's behaviors. Did they allow him access to the car?

That's a good point, I mean he was reported to have been parked outside Maria's house frequently over the three months leading up to the murders, despite not having a driver's licence.

 

[Eli9]

That's a good point, I mean he was reported to have been parked outside Maria's house frequently over the three months leading up to the murders, despite not having a driver's licence.

I didn't know that he didn't have a driver license. Not a good look. MOO