NJ NJ- Absecon, WhtMale, 25-35, UP1767, nude, bound and left in a laundry bag on the side of the highway. February 2004.

[cheemsg]

This is one of my most invested John Does and I'm suprised he doesn't have a thread (unless I missed one)
His skeletonized body was found in a laundry bag on the side of route 30, about 20 feet from the road.
He was nude, bound hand and foot with zip ties but no exact cause of death could be determined.
He was 5'10, 175 pounds with dark hair.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
CASE NUMBER - 764UMNJ
New Jersey State Police - Unidentified Persons / Bodies - Atlantic County

 

[iamshadow21]

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This is one of my most invested John Does and I'm suprised he doesn't have a thread (unless I missed one)
His skeletonized body was found in a laundry bag on the side of route 30, about 20 feet from the road.
He was nude, bound hand and foot with zip ties but no exact cause of death could be determined.
He was 5'10, 175 pounds with dark hair.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
CASE NUMBER - 764UMNJ
New Jersey State Police - Unidentified Persons / Bodies - Atlantic County

Not a huge fan of clay recon, but the profile shots on Doenet of the clay and drawn recon shows that this Doe had quite a distinctive nose. I've just finished watching MASH all the way through, and it reminds me a bit of Jamie Farr's. He had black hair, too. If the recons are accurate, it should be easy to rule out missing with petite or button noses. Both the artists seem to have focussed in on it as the distinctive feature and possibly exaggerated it a bit, as I have heard some teachers of recon art tell their students to do.

I'm assuming they have DNA since this is a recent case, and probably dentals. They won't have fingerprints if he was skeletonised. I'm surprised they have hair, but I'm assuming he was put in the bag at or around time of death, so it stayed with the remains after it loosened from the scalp. I assume he was dumped soon after and laid there until he was found. If he'd been kept somewhere and moved in the bag after he'd skeletonised, I wouldn't imagine he would have remained articulated enough to tell where the bindings were or if they were on the body at all. But if he laid undiscovered, they would have stayed in place.

 

[cheemsg]

Not a huge fan of clay recon, but the profile shots on Doenet of the clay and drawn recon shows that this Doe had quite a distinctive nose. I've just finished watching MASH all the way through, and it reminds me a bit of Jamie Farr's. He had black hair, too. If the recons are accurate, it should be easy to rule out missing with petite or button noses. Both the artists seem to have focussed in on it as the distinctive feature and possibly exaggerated it a bit, as I have heard some teachers of recon art tell their students to do.

I'm assuming they have DNA since this is a recent case, and probably dentals. They won't have fingerprints if he was skeletonised. I'm surprised they have hair, but I'm assuming he was put in the bag at or around time of death, so it stayed with the remains after it loosened from the scalp. I assume he was dumped soon after and laid there until he was found. If he'd been kept somewhere and moved in the bag after he'd skeletonised, I wouldn't imagine he would have remained articulated enough to tell where the bindings were or if they were on the body at all. But if he laid undiscovered, they would have stayed in place.

I remember seeing a missing man who looked just like this recon, but I can't find him now. I can't find him on NamUs at all so he might not be missing anymore. He had dark hair and blue eyes and his missing photo was an ID photo/mugshot? When I posted this on reddit, someone showed me his rule-outs and he has a lot but I can't remember them. @Myrrh @PatLaurel @victoriarobinson642 do you guys know the rule-outs?

 

[cheemsg]

Trevor Angell could be a match:

As @iamshadow21 all the recons give him a distinctive hooked nose which Trevor seems to have. The height also matches. Also he was a long-haul trucker so it could explain how he might have ended up how Absecon John Doe did.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[iamshadow21]

Trevor Angell could be a match:
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As @iamshadow21 all the recons give him a distinctive hooked nose which Trevor seems to have. The height also matches. Also he was a long-haul trucker so it could explain how he might have ended up how Absecon John Doe did.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Looks like a good likeness.

Does Trevor's nose bend to the left of screen, or is that just an illusion? Stephen Fry's nose does, due to a break that wasn't set when he was young. I can't tell with Trevor whether it's just because he's not fully front on to the camera, or whether there is a bend, too.

 

[heartanium]

Looks like a good likeness.

Does Trevor's nose bend to the left of screen, or is that just an illusion? Stephen Fry's nose does, due to a break that wasn't set when he was young. I can't tell with Trevor whether it's just because he's not fully front on to the camera, or whether there is a bend, too.

I was looking at that too, it does seem like his nose does bend to the left a bit

 

[cheemsg]

@iamshadow21
This is another photo of Trevor with a better angle of how his nose was bent, and AJD for comparison.

But he might already have been ruled out, idk.

 

[iamshadow21]

@iamshadow21
This is another photo of Trevor with a better angle of how his nose was bent, and AJD for comparison.
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But he might already have been ruled out, idk.

Hmm... I think he has had a break in the past. The picture isn't very high res, but I think he has that little hump people get when the break heals up and calcifies. I guess the question is, does the Doe have a past break, or just a big beak? I think a break is likely, but who knows?

I think Trevor looks interesting enough to suggest as a possible match for this Doe. Facially, there's definitely a resemblance.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Not ruled out.

 

[Myrrh]

16 rule outs per NamUs (Charles Teets was listed twice)

 

[gravegemini]

Far out guess, but what about Walt Downs? He’s a fugitive from Niagara Falls, it’s possible that he fled to AC The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Another question on my mind- does anyone know approximate time of death based on the stage of decomp? wondering what the minimum amount of time would be for the body to reach this stage in the winter. (weather data shows Jan/Feb being pretty warm though) tyia!

 

[iamshadow21]

Far out guess, but what about Walt Downs? He’s a fugitive from Niagara Falls, it’s possible that he fled to AC The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Another question on my mind- does anyone know approximate time of death based on the stage of decomp? wondering what the minimum amount of time would be for the body to reach this stage in the winter. (weather data shows Jan/Feb being pretty warm though) tyia!

I wonder if they'd have DNA on file because he's got a history with the justice system. I guess it depends when and what his offence was.

As for the timeline for decomposition, it's reliant on a lot of factors. Temperature, bugs, whether the body is wrapped or buried. Sometimes they find bodies still fleshed after months and months, sometimes, they find someone completely skeletonised after only a couple of weeks. In winter, in a place where there are temperatures below freezing, I'd expect it would take longer. Things like animals can speed it up, but as he was enclosed in a bag, maybe that minimised the animal activity.

MOO

 

[cheemsg]

Far out guess, but what about Walt Downs? He’s a fugitive from Niagara Falls, it’s possible that he fled to AC The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Another question on my mind- does anyone know approximate time of death based on the stage of decomp? wondering what the minimum amount of time would be for the body to reach this stage in the winter. (weather data shows Jan/Feb being pretty warm though) tyia!

Honestly, I think that nose is quite different. His side profile in the mugshots shows his nose isn't really super hooked and more sloped down.

 

[cheemsg]

I wonder if they'd have DNA on file because he's got a history with the justice system. I guess it depends when and what his offence was.

As for the timeline for decomposition, it's reliant on a lot of factors. Temperature, bugs, whether the body is wrapped or buried. Sometimes they find bodies still fleshed after months and months, sometimes, they find someone completely skeletonised after only a couple of weeks. In winter, in a place where there are temperatures below freezing, I'd expect it would take longer. Things like animals can speed it up, but as he was enclosed in a bag, maybe that minimised the animal activity.

MOO

Walt Downs offences are robbery and the attempted murder/abuse of his ex-wife. I hope he has DNA in the system

His ex-wife is very determined to get him and has a lot more photos of him on the Catch Walt Downs Facebook page. His nose looks different in each photos honestly, I think it got broken later in life? He's also a little off on the height

I dont think he's AJD but because he's believed to have jumped. I don't think he really would have ended up in this situation.

 

[iamshadow21]

Walt Downs offences are robbery and the attempted murder/abuse of his ex-wife. I hope he has DNA in the system

His ex-wife is very determined to get him and has a lot more photos of him on the Catch Walt Downs Facebook page. His nose looks different in each photos honestly, I think it got broken later in life? He's also a little off on the height

I dont think he's AJD (not just because I really wouldn't want this case I've invested so much in to turn out to be a like him) but because he's believed to have jumped. I don't think he really went on the run.

Jumped? You mean from the actual Falls?

They may never find him, then. They've only found some of the many folks who've tried the old barrel trick and failed. I think they tend to get pushed to the bottom and held there by the force of the falling water.