Identified! NJ - Blairstown, Cedar Ridge Cemetery, 'Princess Doe', WhtFem 14-18, 36UFNJ, peacock skirt, Jul'82 - Dawn Olanick *charges*

[Wild Rose]

I think the first murder was a roommate stabbing.

 

[SisterGrimm]

Has this segment been posted already?
I came across this on Youtube and it is featured from the 80's.

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[chaddylex]

So then there’s a chance that Karen Kamsch is a possible match

I am going to message the Blairstown Museum on FB to see if Karen was ever considered.

 

[chaddylex]

Christine Huyer's case warrants scrutiny. Her height and weight are virtually identical to that of Princess Doe, and she went missing twelve days before Doe's body was discovered in Blairstown. An eyewitness noted that our Doe said she was from Florida--Huyer disappeared from Orlando.

Most interesting of all is that on first blush, Huyer's number eight incisor matches almost perfectly with Princess Doe's. Granted, Doe's number eight incisor may well have been chipped during the attack that ultimately killed her. But, if the forensic examiner mistook an already-chipped number eight (one of Huyer's most distinguishing physical features) for something that came about as the result of the attack, it would explain why Huyer has never been formally considered.

I am going to message the Blairstown Museum to see if Christine was ever considered as being Princess Doe

 

[chaddylex]

I am going to message the Blairstown Museum on FB to see if Karen was ever considered.

@Mysteries1974 - The Blairstown Museum just got back to me. Karen is still on the possible match list.

 

[chaddylex]

I am going to message the Blairstown Museum to see if Christine was ever considered as being Princess Doe

@larsonslair - The Blairstown Museum believes Christine has been ruled out due to dentals.

 

[Mysteries1974]

@Mysteries1974 - The Blairstown Museum just got back to me. Karen is still on the possible match list.

Ok!!!! Let’s hope a comparison can be made!!!

 

[larsonslair]

@larsonslair - The Blairstown Museum believes Christine has been ruled out due to dentals.

Thank you for reaching out. My only contention with her being ruled out would be the presupposition that her chipped number eight incisor came about as a result of the attack. If it were already there, say, a medical examiner might easily (even understandably) overlook that possibility given the near-total obliteration of her face.

 

[Gypsysoul25]

If there is a case that needs to be taken by ddp then it is this onev

 

[Fuuro]

If there is a case that needs to be taken by ddp then it is this onev

I agree that she and other UIDs could definitely benefit from that, but unfortunately, I'm not sure that DDP will take her case because of her age. If I'm understanding correctly, they don't work with minors due to the high probability that family members are responsible for their deaths. I, personally, am not sure that Princess Doe was killed by family members, but since she was estimated to be as young as 14, I'm somewhat doubtful that DDP will accept her.

 

[Gardener1850]

I agree that she and other UIDs could definitely benefit from that, but unfortunately, I'm not sure that DDP will take her case because of her age. If I'm understanding correctly, they don't work with minors due to the high probability that family members are responsible for their deaths. I, personally, am not sure that Princess Doe was killed by family members, but since she was estimated to be as young as 14, I'm somewhat doubtful that DDP will accept her.

Don't give up yet on DDP taking this case. They are working on a case from Michigan of a boy that could be as young as 15: MI - MI - Van Buren Co, HispMale, 15-22, Busch Gardens Tee, Keeler Twp, Dec 1987

I think that might be the youngest possible age for a Doe that they have worked on so far.

DDP made a post in December to explain why they don't take young children and baby cases: DNA Doe Project

From the link:
Q: Why won't DDP take cases of young children or babies?

A: From the beginning in order to keep our mission clear and focused we chose to take cases that only involved victims, not suspects. When young children are discovered and the parents did not report them missing they are obvious persons of interest. Particularly in the case of newborn infants - from the agency's point of view the real objective would be identifying the mother, not her infant who likely never was given a name. In that sense, these cases are actually assailant cases.

When it's clear the mother could not be involved we do accept these. The policy is not about age, but about whether there is an obvious direct link to a suspect.

Thankfully, there are other organizations who handle these cases. We wish to see justice served for these young victims as much as anyone.

 

[Roselvr]

Don't give up yet on DDP taking this case. They are working on a case from Michigan of a boy that could be as young as 15: MI - MI - Van Buren Co, HispMale, 15-22, Busch Gardens Tee, Keeler Twp, Dec 1987

I think that might be the youngest possible age for a Doe that they have worked on so far.

DDP made a post in December to explain why they don't take young children and baby cases: DNA Doe Project

From the link:
Q: Why won't DDP take cases of young children or babies?

A: From the beginning in order to keep our mission clear and focused we chose to take cases that only involved victims, not suspects. When young children are discovered and the parents did not report them missing they are obvious persons of interest. Particularly in the case of newborn infants - from the agency's point of view the real objective would be identifying the mother, not her infant who likely never was given a name. In that sense, these cases are actually assailant cases.

When it's clear the mother could not be involved we do accept these. The policy is not about age, but about whether there is an obvious direct link to a suspect.

Thankfully, there are other organizations who handle these cases. We wish to see justice served for these young victims as much as anyone.

Colleen has her own business called Identifinders where she does kids.

There is also Parabon where LE can get funding to help pay for the DNA. Is anyone in contact with her LE?

 

[carbuff]

Colleen has her own business called Identifinders where she does kids.

There is also Parabon where LE can get funding to help pay for the DNA. Is anyone in contact with her LE?

One website I visited listed around 175 licensed forensic genealogists, and that was two years ago. LE should be able to find somebody.

 

[NJEverCurious]

Colleen has her own business called Identifinders where she does kids.

There is also Parabon where LE can get funding to help pay for the DNA. Is anyone in contact with her LE?

I posed the question about Parabon to the Blairstown Museum on this post, but they haven't replied on here.

To address the rumors that she may have been a prostitute, there was actually a confession in this case. Please refer to the info on Doe Network. There is also information on that page about the isotope testing that was completed.

@BlairstownMuseum, has there been any discussion about sending her clothing to Parabon to try to extract DNA and create an image of a potential suspect? (I'm local, and I realize this may be cost-prohibitive for a rural municipality like Blairstown.)

 

[apearn]

Mary Ann Hogland-McCluskey looks interesting. Has she been looked at? I can't find the 'search thread' box to look and see if she has been discussed.

 

[SpongeBathHotPants]

I'm brand new to this discussion so if this is already been discussed please forgive me. I'd like to submit Laureen Ann Rahn for princess Doe. Their stats are very similar and the face could be hers.

Disappearance of Laureen Rahn - Wikipedia

 

[chaddylex]

I'm brand new to this discussion so if this is already been discussed please forgive me. I'd like to submit Laureen Ann Rahn for princess Doe. Their stats are very similar and the face could be hers.

Disappearance of Laureen Rahn - Wikipedia

Hello,

Laureen has already been ruled out, she is on the NamUs ruleout list The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Deborah KIM Green.
Aged 20yrs.
Missing since May 30th 1982.
From Florida.
Last seen wearing a red/wine coloured dress with white piping and white flowers!
I do think Kim defo resembles the early, initial composites that were released of Princess Doe. X

 

[CCJD]

Deborah KIM Green.
Aged 20yrs.
Missing since May 30th 1982.
From Florida.
Last seen wearing a red/wine coloured dress with white piping and white flowers!
I do think Kim defo resembles the early, initial composites that were released of Princess Doe. X

Ruled out on NamUs

 

[chaddylex]

Here are the current list of ruleouts - I have a list from last summer that the Blairstown Museum gave me - it's posted a few pages back.