GUILTY NJ - Bridgeton girl, 14, charged in death of newborn, 4 May 2008

[bakerprune64]

:clap:

More people need to think like this. Intervention, not institution. Prison turns people into worse beings than they were to begin with. She's still at a very impressionable age and can turn her life around. This child needs some real love.

This child needs to not be permitted to have more kids!

 

[bakerprune64]

I suspect she's suffered more in her young life than many of us can even imagine.

Yep, she's got the stamina it seems, so we should just heap some more suffering on. You can't have too much of that, you know. Toughens you up - helps you build character.

So that gives her a free pass to keep having babies??? and potentially kill them too

 

[Toby]

Why are so many people unwilling to penalize people who have suffered?

 

[Yeah me]

This child needs to not be permitted to have more kids!

My opinion stands as it is, I really can't debate on such a sensitive issue. A child that has found themselves in this situation is not a rational thinking person, imo. I'm just gonna bow out of this conversation.

 

[blaize]

Hey Toby, I don't think that people are unwilling to punish or penalize people who have suffered at all. But in this case the girl is 14 & we don't know what the full back story is.

It just isn't the same as an adult who knows they can ask for help and has more autonomy to do so.

If abuse was involved she gets my compassion & I still say that at 14 and however much younger she was when she had the first child, she could not & cannot consent to sex.

I hope she gets the appropriate attention she needs from the state whether it is incarceration or treatment or both.

Why are so many people unwilling to penalize people who have suffered?

 

[barb0301]

I hate that a newborn is dead, but wouldn't it be nice if someone could concentrate an ounce of energy on helping the surviving child into some sort of decent life. If that doesn't happen, I'm willing to bet that more will suffer at her hands.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: I'm with you on this one. I'd love to take this girl and give her the love she is obviously missing somewhere. Help her figure out her priorities in life and her future. Give her a future that is worth living for and help build her a healthy dose of self respect. Only then are these issues going to go away for her where someday, she can have a healthy, happy family life, if she so chooses. She obviously has not been given a very stable foundation on which to base her decisions. Someone needs to help her NOW !!!!

 

[blaize]

Hi bakerp, I agree she needs some very active monitoring and care until she's legally an adult or for longer if that's deemed necessary. But if she's a victim of rape or incest doesn't she deserve some compassion as a child and a victim?

I remember the crime that was reported here a year or maybe longer ago where the babies bodies had been thrown down a garage chute in an apartment. IIRC the father was sexually abusing the young girl and she'd had two children by him? I can't remember the specifics of the case but this case may be somewhat similar.

Murdering her own child is an awful crime but it needs to be looked at in the context of how it happened and why.

If she doesn't get the care & attention she needs she'll be a danger to others as she ages and procreates & we'll end up reading another horror story about her in a few years.

This child needs to not be permitted to have more kids!

 

[bakerprune64]

Hi bakerp, I agree she needs some very active monitoring and care until she's legally an adult or for longer if that's deemed necessary. But if she's a victim of rape or incest doesn't she deserve some compassion as a child and a victim?

I remember the crime that was reported here a year or maybe longer ago where the babies bodies had been thrown down a garage chute in an apartment. IIRC the father was sexually abusing the young girl and she'd had two children by him? I can't remember the specifics of the case but this case may be somewhat similar.

Murdering her own child is an awful crime but it needs to be looked at in the context of how it happened and why.

If she doesn't get the care & attention she needs she'll be a danger to others as she ages and procreates & we'll end up reading another horror story about her in a few years.

Regardless of her age, she birthed the baby in the toilet and then went to the added trouble of putting it in the toilet tank to drown! She could have easily left the baby where somebody could have found it, but had Cinco de Mayo party on her mind instead.

ETA : She can get help from behind bars and still needs to be sterilized. If at some point in her adult life she wants kids, she can adopt some.

 

[blaize]

That part is horrendous but really however she murdered the baby it wouldn't be right or ok bakerp.

The baby is still a murder victim.

Regardless of her age, she birthed the baby in the toilet and then went to the added trouble of putting it in the toilet tank to drown! She could have easily left the baby where somebody could have found it, but had Cinco de Mayo party on her mind instead.

 

[philamena]

Hi bakerp, I agree she needs some very active monitoring and care until she's legally an adult or for longer if that's deemed necessary. But if she's a victim of rape or incest doesn't she deserve some compassion as a child and a victim?
SNIP

blaize,
Excellent post.:clap:
Considering her age, I agree that she definitely needs some compassion. Who is HER guardian?

(blaize, hope you're not upset that I only posted a snippet of your post instead of posting the entire thing. )

 

[blaize]

I hope the authorities get answers soon about what was going on in this child's life.

It's just a wholly dreadful situation & this child will have to learn to take responsibility for the murder of her own child if she's ever to have any kind of a life and not be a danger in future.

(Oh heck philamena snip to your heart's content. I find it makes reading a thread easier when people snip what they're responding to anyway.)

blaize,
Excellent post.:clap:
Considering her age, I agree that she definitely needs some compassion. Who is HER guardian?

(blaize, hope you're not upset that I only posted a snippet of your post instead of posting the entire thing. )

 

[Salem]

Really, Salem? A few inches of newsprint and you feel confidant enough to say she obviously knew what she was doing? :waitasec:

I'll agree with this - the only thing that short article tells us is that this girl is some kind of messed up and all kinds of vulnerable and she was just barely out of elementary school (if even) when she began conceiving children.

I hate that a newborn is dead, but wouldn't it be nice if someone could concentrate an ounce of energy on helping the surviving child into some sort of decent life. If that doesn't happen, I'm willing to bet that more will suffer at her hands.

Easy there, SouthCity, I agree this 14 year old needs some help and while I stand by my opinion that she knew what she was doing, I also stand by my opinion that it is a horrible thing that this young lady chose to murder her child rather than ask for help. It does not appear, if she has one child already, that she is a stranger to the "system." One can only hope that somewhere within that "system" she would have met someone, anyone, she could have trusted. Doesn't appear that that happened. So instead of reaching out, she reached in, and she just didn't have enough inner resources to keep her from doing what she did. I do feel compassion for this child. I do believe she is a child. And it saddens me that it does not appear there has been one person in this child's life that reached out and gave her the love she deserved.

I do have compassion for this child and I hope a thorough investigation is done and that whoever got her pregnant in the first place is made to share some of the pain from this tradegy.

Salem

 

[Yeah me]

Salem
The 1st baby might have been placed with another family as a result of a smart decision rather than state intervention. I believe you might be assuming too much in regards to the resources she *might* have had access to.

 

[Salem]

Yeah,me - you could be right. Although the way it was said in the paper "she doesn't have legal custody" made me think there was some kind of "intervention." Probably not the right word, but my brain's stuck Even still - doesn't appear she had anyone outside the the "system" either. Just sad all the way around.

Salem

 

[Yeah me]

Yeah,me - you could be right. Although the way it was said in the paper "she doesn't have legal custody" made me think there was some kind of "intervention." Probably not the right word, but my brain's stuck Even still - doesn't appear she had anyone outside the the "system" either. Just sad all the way around.

Salem

The way they phrased it could be interpreted a few ways, I guess.

I agree, this girl really didn't have anyone looking out for her. Bums me out to think about her family dynamic.

 

[southcitymom]

So that gives her a free pass to keep having babies??? and potentially kill them too

Where you got that opinion from any of my posts, I'll never know!

 

[southcitymom]

Why are so many people unwilling to penalize people who have suffered?

Possibly (or not) for the same reason so many people are unwilling to show an ounce of compassion for a child who has been pregnant to delivery twice by the age of 14. A monster? String her up? Make her pay?

Consequences can always be delivered compassionately and with the value of a human being at heart. Or we can just foam at the mouth for blood. Our choice.

 

[pixies]

Possibly for the same reason so many people are unwilling to show an ounce of compassion for a child who has been pregnant to delivery twice by the age of 14. A monster? String her up? Make her pay?

Consequences can always be delivered compassionately and with the value of a human being at heart. Or we can just foam at the mouth for blood. Our choice.

That is what should happen to her!
If this turns out to be a boyfriend/girlfriend situation which I am sure it is, she should be strung up, made to pay.

I have zero compassion for this animal. NONE. ZERO!

Pregnant twice, one child in custody of someone else and one child dead, floating in the toilet, she is not the VICTIM here, SCM, she is the vile, disgusting freak who caused BOTH of these babies to be victims.

 

[southcitymom]

That is what should happen to her!
If this turns out to be a boyfriend/girlfriend situation which I am sure it is, she should be strung up, made to pay.

I have zero compassion for this animal. NONE. ZERO!

Pregnant twice, one child in custody of someone else and one child dead, floating in the toilet, she is not the VICTIM here, SCM, she is the vile, disgusting freak who caused BOTH of these babies to be victims.

Thanks for explaining that. I would have never known.

 

[pixies]

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/new..._mom__14__charged_with_murder_of_newborn.html

Newshound, if you find any follow up to this case please let us know.
Thanks!