GUILTY NJ - Carolyn Byington, 26, killed inside her home, Plainsboro, 10 June 2019 *Arrest* #2

[cherrymeg]

I agree, how would he know her license plate unless he had been watching/stalking her?

This is weird.

 

[Seattle1]

That is still pretty close to her place. It would be interesting to know if he normally took his car to a mechanic.

Apparently not. Reportedly he would not answer questions where he was during lunch because he was embarrassed to tell his supervisor that he worked on his own car. His dad testified on Friday that he's worked in auto repair for 30 years, and that he would often exchange texts with his son about his auto.

 

[cherrymeg]

Apparently not. Reportedly he would not answer questions where he was during lunch because he was embarrassed to tell his supervisor that he worked on his own car. His dad testified on Friday that he's worked in auto repair for 30 years, and that he would often exchange texts with his son about his auto.

So he normally worked on his car like on the side of the road or in a park? If your car was having problems why move it? There is nothing shameful about being able to fix your own car. We know he has driven without a license. What about getting his car inspected did his father just slap on stickers? He could have used a fake car breakdown as a way to enter her apt. His car is dead, his cell is dead and he realizes he is near a coworker. Or parks near the exit to her building knowing she went home after he calls his dad a few miles away. How many killers have played on their victims sympathy or their good samaritan nature?

 

[Seattle1]

So he normally worked on his car like on the side of the road or in a park? If your car was having problems why move it? There is nothing shameful about being able to fix your own car. We know he has driven without a license. What about getting his car inspected did his father just slap on stickers? He could have used a fake car breakdown as a way to enter her apt. His car is dead, his cell is dead and he realizes he is near a coworker. Or parks near the exit to her building knowing she went home after he calls his dad a few miles away. How many killers have played on their victims sympathy or their good samaritan nature?

The car repair was said not serious enough to disable but only to fix a noise from his power steering. This was testimony on Friday by KS father who in my opinion is being used by his son for alibi. Also not fair to allege his dad simply slaps on inspection sticker. To my knowledge, KS has not admitted being anywhere near Carolyn's apartment when she was killed. MOO

 

[cherrymeg]

The car repair was said not serious enough to disable but only to fix a noise from his power steering. This was testimony on Friday by KS father who in my opinion is being used by his son for alibi. Also not fair to allege his dad simply slaps on inspection sticker. To my knowledge, KS has not admitted being anywhere near Carolyn's apartment when she was killed. MOO

I thought he was 5 miles away. I thought his cell pinged. I'm not saying his car was actually broken down but saying it is can get you into someone's home or lure them into helping you.
Saal's multiple traffic tickets, lack of a license more than once, and now his dad is his alibi makes me question his ethics. Maybe he didn't inspect his son's car/s, they weren't always insured but if he covered inspections and let his son drive around risking other people's lives without insurance that's not responsible. It's possible they worked on cars and shared that passion but it never crossed over into business.

 

[SuziQ]

No, the park he said he was at is not next to Carolyn’s apartment. It is about 5 miles away from the apartment complex.

Oh sorry! I obviously read through the thread too quick trying to catch up.

 

[TruthIsStranger]

I could see "car trouble nearby" as a great excuse (all things considered) for getting into a co-worker's apartment, but I still wonder what brought her home, how he knew she'd be home, how he'd explain to her how he knew where she lived, why he couldn't use his cell phone, etc.

What's so sad and scary is despite the red flags, how many of us would say no to someone we'd worked with for three years if they showed up on our doorstep (provided we'd never had a weird vibe from them before). When put on the spot, it would be so awkward. However, if I looked through the keyhole and had a few seconds to ponder all of the red flags, I might either pretend I wasn't there or talk through the door saying, "oh hey there co-worker! Sorry, I'm changing clothes" or "I'm feeling sick," or "I have company. Can I help you?" Then I'd see what he had to say. I'd offer to call for help for him through the door and if he had me worried I'd offer to call the police to help him!

Women are so programmed to be polite and nice to everyone, and predators can easily take advantage of that.

 

[cherrymeg]

I could see "car trouble nearby" as a great excuse (all things considered) for getting into a co-worker's apartment, but I still wonder what brought her home, how he knew she'd be home, how he'd explain to her how he knew where she lived, why he couldn't use his cell phone, etc.

What's so sad and scary is despite the red flags, how many of us would say no to someone we'd worked with for three years if they showed up on our doorstep (provided we'd never had a weird vibe from them before). When put on the spot, it would be so awkward. However, if I looked through the keyhole and had a few seconds to ponder all of the red flags, I might either pretend I wasn't there or talk through the door saying, "oh hey there co-worker! Sorry, I'm changing clothes" or "I'm feeling sick," or "I have company. Can I help you?" Then I'd see what he had to say. I'd offer to call for help for him through the door and if he had me worried I'd offer to call the police to help him!

Women are so programmed to be polite and nice to everyone, and predators can easily take advantage of that.

He could have just followed her home. If he was stalking he was working up to this point. He possible followed her anytime she went somewhere on her lunch break. If he did work on his car a lot he might have had a change of clothes. He could have asked to clean up in the bathroom to wash grease off or to use it. If he met her outside the building she would feel bad for him and offering to give him a ride would seem like her idea. A married guy with a baby might seem pretty safe.

 

[DAB]

I drove down Canal Pointe Blvd today. At the end, just past Emmons Drive is Princeton Country Club. There are some parking spots on the street across from the country club parking lot. Going west on Emmons is housing for the Princeton Theological Seminary with a small playground for children. It’s only about 1-2 miles from where he works.

 

[TruthIsStranger]

He could have just followed her home. If he was stalking he was working up to this point. He possible followed her anytime she went somewhere on her lunch break. If he did work on his car a lot he might have had a change of clothes. He could have asked to clean up in the bathroom to wash grease off or to use it. If he met her outside the building she would feel bad for him and offering to give him a ride would seem like her idea. A married guy with a baby might seem pretty safe.

True. I was thinking more about how he would explain to HER that he knew where she lived if he just showed up at her door. He probably thought he'd just push his way in if she opened the door, and the question would never come up.

 

[cherrymeg]

True. I was thinking more about how he would explain to HER that he knew where she lived if he just showed up at her door. He probably thought he'd just push his way in if she opened the door, and the question would never come up.

She lived fairly close by to their job, right? He could have done something to her car (not enough to damage it but something that could make a noise or a check engine light go on) or implied it needed a part that he could easily get for her. He could have been like I'll fix it over lunch. Doing a favor or needing help play on women wanting to be polite or being afraid they are overreacting.

 

[TruthIsStranger]

She lived fairly close by to their job, right? He could have done something to her car (not enough to damage it but something that could make a noise or a check engine light go on) or implied it needed a part that he could easily get for her. He could have been like I'll fix it over lunch. Doing a favor or needing help play on women wanting to be polite or being afraid they are overreacting.

That's a brilliant idea for a car guy. If he could do some damage to her car that wasn't obviously done on purpose, he could be there to help. But still the circumstances would have to be just right. I'm one of those people that hate to be beholden to work colleagues or anyone I don't know well unless it's absolutely necessary, so I'd rather just go to a mechanic.

IDK... I'm just dying to know HOW this came about. Usually this part of a murder isn't so mysterious. A domestic violence perpetrator would have reason to be in the home OR there would be text messages involved. It seems as if no texts exist because the prosecutor didn't allude to a meetup text last week. Do prosecutors know this part of the crime but they're witholding it? Maybe I missed something...

 

[MissyMom]

I could see "car trouble nearby" as a great excuse (all things considered) for getting into a co-worker's apartment, but I still wonder what brought her home, how he knew she'd be home, how he'd explain to her how he knew where she lived, why he couldn't use his cell phone, etc.

What's so sad and scary is despite the red flags, how many of us would say no to someone we'd worked with for three years if they showed up on our doorstep (provided we'd never had a weird vibe from them before). When put on the spot, it would be so awkward. However, if I looked through the keyhole and had a few seconds to ponder all of the red flags, I might either pretend I wasn't there or talk through the door saying, "oh hey there co-worker! Sorry, I'm changing clothes" or "I'm feeling sick," or "I have company. Can I help you?" Then I'd see what he had to say. I'd offer to call for help for him through the door and if he had me worried I'd offer to call the police to help him!

Women are so programmed to be polite and nice to everyone, and predators can easily take advantage of that.

You are correct about women programmed to be polite. We also have to learn to trust our gut instincts. I learned this the hard way after I was held up at gun point many years ago. I pulled into my parking lot and saw this guy walking by. Immediately, I said to myself he didn’t belong there, but I talked myself out of my gut instincts and got out of the car. Next thing I knew he had a gun in my face. Women have to trust their gut instincts. Nine times out of 10 it’s correct.

 

[cherrymeg]

That's a brilliant idea for a car guy. If he could do some damage to her car that wasn't obviously done on purpose, he could be there to help. But still the circumstances would have to be just right. I'm one of those people that hate to be beholden to work colleagues or anyone I don't know well unless it's absolutely necessary, so I'd rather just go to a mechanic.

IDK... I'm just dying to know HOW this came about. Usually this part of a murder isn't so mysterious. A domestic violence perpetrator would have reason to be in the home OR there would be text messages involved. It seems as if no texts exist because the prosecutor didn't allude to a meetup text last week. Do prosecutors know this part of the crime but they're witholding it? Maybe I missed something...

I think people that stalk are like domestic abusers in a way. The victim just doesn't know that they are being followed, watched, and involved in a completely one sided with a delusional person. I wonder if she had car troubles in the past where maybe he drove her home or jumped her battery (or re connected the cables) and then followed her home to be sure. Talking about his child and showing pictures of her would make feel at ease if they had previous encounters. If you seem like a happy father and husband you don't come off as someone making a pass at your coworker. Or someone that will brutally murder them.

 

[DAB]

She lived fairly close by to their job, right? He could have done something to her car (not enough to damage it but something that could make a noise or a check engine light go on) or implied it needed a part that he could easily get for her. He could have been like I'll fix it over lunch. Doing a favor or needing help play on women wanting to be polite or being afraid they are overreacting.

She lived about 6 miles from work. Depending on traffic it could be 10-15 minutes.

 

[InspectGadget]

I am thinking through the question of the time it would take to make such a repair. I am no mechanic but it seems, from just surveying some estimates, the most probable cause of power steering noises are that it needs power steering fluid. That only would involve filling it with said fluid.
Other causes typically need a mechanic or at the very least are quite involved (approx 1-2 hrs is est time for mechanic to fix it). Given that he didn’t say the power steering went out, etc, why would one continue to fix their car an additional 2 hours after they were expected back at work. At what point would most call it a draw and return to work (and if this was all bc money was tight one would think he didn’t want to jeopardize his job)?
Worst case he could simply fix it after work or ask his dad to help out.
Quick questions, just bc I am confused as to whether his dad said that he texted with him that day or in general would text him re his car? (Either way one would think his dad would have told him to return to work bc it was more complicated than a 1 hr fix)
Just some quick thoughts, as I said I def am not a mechanic so anyone please correct me if I am wrong in the power steering thoughts.

 

[cherrymeg]

You are correct about women programmed to be polite. We also have to learn to trust our gut instincts. I learned this the hard way after I was held up at gun point many years ago. I pulled into my parking lot and saw this guy walking by. Immediately, I said to myself he didn’t belong there, but I talked myself out of my gut instincts and got out of the car. Next thing I knew he had a gun in my face. Women have to trust their gut instincts. Nine times out of 10 it’s correct.

We shouldn't have to be afraid of being labeled as a crazy B*tch when we stand up for ourselves. That can be harder with coworkers or teachers people in our world because if we are wrong and they aren't a crazy stalker rapist we seem hysterical. Crazy and hysterical are some of the worst things a woman can be called. It makes us look weak and incompetent.

 

[TruthIsStranger]

You are correct about women programmed to be polite. We also have to learn to trust our gut instincts. I learned this the hard way after I was held up at gun point many years ago. I pulled into my parking lot and saw this guy walking by. Immediately, I said to myself he didn’t belong there, but I talked myself out of my gut instincts and got out of the car. Next thing I knew he had a gun in my face. Women have to trust their gut instincts. Nine times out of 10 it’s correct.

Oh my gosh! I'm glad that you're all right. I could see myself doing that. I was at a rest stop late at night and for some reason someone in a nearby car seemed to be waiting for me to get out. I just sat there on my phone for ten minutes or so until they finally went in, came back out, and left. Two can play the waiting game! I also drove to a further-down-the-way spot as I waited so that I could see them coming far in advance. It's so infuriating that we have to be so careful but that's life.

 

[cherrymeg]

I am thinking through the question of the time it would take to make such a repair. I am no mechanic but it seems, from just surveying some estimates, the most probable cause of power steering noises are that it needs power steering fluid. That only would involve filling it with said fluid.
Other causes typically need a mechanic or at the very least are quite involved (approx 1-2 hrs is est time for mechanic to fix it). Given that he didn’t say the power steering went out, etc, why would one continue to fix their car an additional 2 hours after they were expected back at work. At what point would most call it a draw and return to work (and if this was all bc money was tight one would think he didn’t want to jeopardize his job)?
Worst case he could simply fix it after work or ask his dad to help out.
Quick questions, just bc I am confused as to whether his dad said that he texted with him that day or in general would text him re his car? (Either way one would think his dad would have told him to return to work bc it was more complicated than a 1 hr fix)
Just some quick thoughts, as I said I def am not a mechanic so anyone please correct me if I am wrong in the power steering thoughts.

If it was an emergency you wouldn't drive to park or lot, you would check your car by your work. Some people love fixing their own cars even when they aren't broken. I had an ex like that. Saal's dad made it sound like it was an interest they shared. He probably grew up learning about mechanics and fixing cars. I don't get why he would be ashamed of knowing how to keep his car running especially since that was his dad's job and they texted about that stuff. If there was something wrong with his car and he didn't have the right supplies or tools he could have gotten stranded. I think maybe he thought he could get his dad to lie for him saying he was at the shop and when he didn't he claimed embarrassment.

 

[MissyMom]

If it was an emergency you wouldn't drive to park or lot, you would check your car by your work. Some people love fixing their own cars even when they aren't broken. I had an ex like that. Saal's dad made it sound like it was an interest they shared. He probably grew up learning about mechanics and fixing cars. I don't get why he would be ashamed of knowing how to keep his car running especially since that was his dad's job and they texted about that stuff. If there was something wrong with his car and he didn't have the right supplies or tools he could have gotten stranded. I think maybe he thought he could get his dad to lie for him saying he was at the shop and when he didn't he claimed embarrassment.

Just playing devils advocate, but he may have been embarrassed that his 2006 Honda was having mechanical problems and his coworkers drove nicer cars. Plus, where they worked , its in a large corporate center. He may have been embarrassed with grease on his clothes as people were leaving for lunch. The park he went to is only 2 miles from his office.