AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #4

[MJPeony]

I took that as her "Catholic guilt." I touched on it earlier in the thread. She feels that her messed up past has God punishing her by taking her daughter. That's why she doesn't want her daughter to pay for things from the past.

Maybe. And it was a good point you brought up.

But to me, her comments here still speak to the fact she feels there are people who could have problems with her. Why mention other people having problems with her/her family? If she’d just said she felt like she was being punished for being rebellious, doing drugs, having a baby so young, etc then I’d be more inclined to believe it was soley the “Catholic guilt”. But she specifically mentioned other people. Her concern about these others could be completely unfounded. But I think her comments warrant LE exhausting every possible connection to people in her past/present. Which I’m sure they’re doing.

MOO.

 

[MJPeony]

Although the family hopes that someone who knows the family has Dulce, I think the majority know that this was a stranger abduction - perhaps a stranger who has seen Dulce in the past - and that she was no longer alive within a couple of hours of abduction. That is what normally happens. Some day her remains will be found.

“The NCMEC says that abductions by strangers are the rarest type of cases of missing children“

Kidnapped children make headlines, but abduction is rare in U.S.

 

[Really?]

I don’t think this has been mentioned yet, but, isn’t September 16 Mexico Independence Day?
We’re there any festivals that could have brought in a stranger to the area?

 

[otto]

Maybe. And it was a good point you brought up.

But to me, her comments here still speak to the fact she feels there are people who could have problems with her. Why mention other people having problems with her/her family? If she’d just said she felt like she was being punished for being rebellious, doing drugs, having a baby so young, etc then I’d be more inclined to believe it was soley the “Catholic guilt”. But she specifically mentioned other people. Her concern about these others could be completely unfounded. But I think her comments warrant LE exhausting every possible connection to people in her past/present. Which I’m sure they’re doing.

MOO.

I have no doubt that she is grasping at anything that supports the hope that her daughter is alive, but a fishing expedition into everyone who knows the mother may not be a good use of resources.

Police will follow the evidence and may eventually find a body.

 

[JerzeyGirl]

I don’t think this has been mentioned yet, but, isn’t September 16 Mexico Independence Day?
We’re there any festivals that could have brought in a stranger to the area?

They had a festival on September 15 but it's not something people would stay overnight for. It's a few hours. A day trip.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Why her? Why does she have to pay the consequences? She’s just a small girl,” Dulce’s mom, Noema Alavez Perez, told reporters at a press conference Monday.
Mother of missing 5-year-old girl wants answers

 

[otto]

“The NCMEC says that abductions by strangers are the rarest type of cases of missing children“

Kidnapped children make headlines, but abduction is rare in U.S.

Of course that's true. That doesn't change the fact that plenty of children are abducted and murdered by strangers. This does not appear to be a parental abduction situation.

Mollie Tibbetts was abducted by a stranger while jogging. He had observed her jogging alone before he abducted her. Through 6 degrees of separation, he knew her. He was an illegal immigrant working in the local dairy industry, and no one who may have suspected him came forward.

Something to consider here is that the family seems more fluent in Spanish than English, so maybe the person who abducted her seemed familiar or also spoke Spanish.

 

[zecats]

A summary of events and thoughts by the NY Times, posted 9 hours ago.

A 5-Year-Old Girl Went Missing From a Playground. What Happened?

 

[otto]

“Why her? Why does she have to pay the consequences? She’s just a small girl,” Dulce’s mom, Noema Alavez Perez, told reporters at a press conference Monday.
Mother of missing 5-year-old girl wants answers

Although that is a rhetorical question, the answer is obvious. Dulce, a 5 year old girl, was alone at the playground. A predator was also at the playground. That is why she was abducted.

 

[Beekarina]

She's young, inexperienced, and more of a big sister than a parent. The 3 and 5 year old live with, and are raised by, their grandparents. She made a mistake when she remained in the car and let the 3 and 5 year old go alone to the playground. It's unfortunate, but it seems that she did not understand the risks. It's possible that this was her normal routine with the children at the park, which opens the possibility that a predator noticed this routine and was prepared to abduct Dulce that day.

Predators are always looking for an opportunity. In many ways, it's not unlike the predator who abducts a 19 year old woman routinely jogging alone on a rural road. It's safe the first 10 times she runs the same route, and then it's not safe.

This is something I mentioned in an earlier thread. The majority of the time, it WOULD be perfectly safe. Most of the time, there isn't a predator in the park. It may have been how Noema went to the park herself. She might have even gone without adults around at all?

Earlier articles describe the town (paraphrasing, as I no longer have handy) as "having a high crime rate, but being the kind of place where neighbors often sit outside chatting, and kids often walk alone to the corner stores for treats, with older ones holding the littlest ones hands." I

Edited for spell check madness!

 

[MsMarple]

I think part of the confusion of stories is that LE tends to stay with whatever information they initially release until they deem a change is important enough to share with the public in order to solve the crime. It's JMO but I've seen similar in other cases where we drive ourselves crazy over the minutiae only to learn that it didn't really matter after all.

From the NY Times article:

These days, Dulce’s mother spends her time either at home or sitting on the blue cotton chairs of their local Pentecostal church, praying for her daughter to return, Ms. Perez says.

Dulce's mom is Pentecostal and not Catholic.

 

[MJPeony]

Although that is a rhetorical question, the answer is obvious. Dulce, a 5 year old girl, was alone at the playground. A predator was also at the playground. That is why she was abducted.

I do respect your posts Otto, so I say this with all due respect- you seem incredibly confident in your posts about what happened and why Dulce is missing. And I don’t think your statements are a foregone conclusion by any means. You state you know the motive, that it was a stranger, and that her remains will be found. From all that I’ve been reading, I see nothing that would make me so confident.

MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

The more I read the more confused I get. The mother seems to controdict herself. I feel sure I am lost in translation.

I think it just gets too confusing when the mothers words are concentrated on too much. Her first language is not English so just one word can change the context of a sentence.

Her family seems to be the only one keeping the public focused on finding Dulce and that's very important.
The important thing is that this child is missing and she needs to be found.

We know that the kids were dropped off at the park and within about 10 minutes she vanished somewhere near the secluded buildings. LE believe she was lured away and put in a van, although they do not seem to be emphasizing the vehicle. The description of the man and the vehicle are still in the Amber Alert, but police have not giving any updates about the case.

Until then we have no other evidence to go by. I hope that Investigators are busy following up on leads but I do wish they would hold a PC soon or at least indicate that they are making some progress.

IMO

 

[otto]

This is something I mentioned in an earlier thread. The majority of the time, it WOULD be perfectly safe. Most of the time, there isn't a predator in the park. It may have been how Noema went to the park herself. She might have even gone without adults around at all?

Earlier articles describe the town (paraphrasing, as I no longer have handy) as "having a high crime rate, but being the kind of place where neighbors often sit outside chatting, and kids often walk alone to the corner stores for treats, with older ones holding the littlest ones hands." I

Edited for spell check madness!

I don't think it has every been perfectly safe to leave a 3 and 5 year old child out of sight at a playground. Parents hope that it is safe, but most know that they need to keep an eye on young children to ensure that they are safe while using the equipment.

 

[cody22]

This is one interesting thread case to follow. I hope this case is solved soon.....moo

 

[Trackergd]

Offering a new detail, Alavez Perez said investigators did not find the cup of coconut water ice or the spoon Dulce took with her to the playground.

Respectfully snipped.

Hopefully SAR and searchers have been looking for that cup and spoon. They would be a critical piece of evidence as their location in relation to the place last seen would indicate direction of travel.

 

[JC40]

"Why her? why does she have to pay the consequences"?

'I'm worried about my daughter': Mother of missing NJ girl speaks as search continues

 

[JerzeyGirl]

I think part of the confusion of stories is that LE tends to stay with whatever information they initially release until they deem a change is important enough to share with the public in order to solve the crime. It's JMO but I've seen similar in other cases where we drive ourselves crazy over the minutiae only to learn that it didn't really matter after all.

From the NY Times article:

Dulce's mom is Pentecostal and not Catholic.

My entire family is Pentecostal. Just about the same. Or worse in regards to guilt.

 

[JerseyGirl]

A link this morning said that Dulce and her brother would play together outside their home in the front yard.

If a perp was stalking her, I would think he'd do so in front of her own home as opposed to a very busy park with 50+ other people around? I haven't budged and am still leaning towards stranger abduction.

 

[otto]

I do respect your posts Otto, so I say this with all due respect- you seem incredibly confident in your posts about what happened and why Dulce is missing. And I don’t think your statements are a foregone conclusion by any means. You state you know the motive, that it was a stranger, and that her remains will be found. From all that I’ve been reading, I see nothing that would make me so confident.

MOO.

I do try to include "I think" in all my comments, maybe I forgot this time.

I suppose I'm confident that Dulce was deceased within 2 hours and that her body will hopefully be found because this appears to be a situation where a child vanished in the blink of an eye when out of sight of parents. These same scenarios have been discussed here for a couple of decades.