I'm with you. It makes me feel bad though, I see other people who stand by their kids regardless, but I have a feeling that if that was my 15 year old who did something like that, she would be dead to me.
GUILTY NJ - Gregory Leary & others for sexual assault of 7yo girl, Trenton, 2010
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I'm with you. It makes me feel bad though, I see other people who stand by their kids regardless, but I have a feeling that if that was my 15 year old who did something like that, she would be dead to me.
I have very divergent responses to this report. My heart aches for the 7 year old but something is also very seriously wrong in the 15 year old's life.
I absolutely cannot and do NOT accept the stance that "once a perp, no longer a victim". If we don't deal with the damaged psyche and skewed boundaries of a little girl who has very possibly been abused since her sister's age, history is just going to keep repeating itself. And we surely do not have the resources to lock up every offender forever.
Has anyone ever looked at the "curriculum" for sex offender treatment? No allowance is made for discussing, at any time, in any way, a person's own maltreatment or victimization. It is cause for being dropped from any program I have seen. It is a violation of the contract made with the therapist.
My adopted son was a witness to a grisly gangland murder and victim of abject neglect while he was in foster care in LA. He was raped repeatedly as an eight year old after being placed with us in adoption (his teacher son, the rapist, did 10 years). He has an IQ of 74 and myriad mental illnesses most likely due to being born exposed to PCP and heroin and being born, with his twin, at 26 weeks gestation (weighing 1.25 lbs). His twin is deaf, has cerebral palsy, spectrum disorder, and an IQ of 50. She is a sweet, hard-working young woman who has never offended even though, she too, was raped numerous times.
When our son was led up to another special ed student's room and she disrobed, he groped her, he penetrated her with his finger. She giggled and asked him to stop. He had to be told three times to stop. He did stop, he apologized and left. He was arrested the following day. He pleaded guilty to attempted rape and is serving 10 years for the crime.
I abhor what my son did. He was taught that NO means NO. I have zero tolerance for any sexual offense. I make no excuses for IQ level or mental illness. He was 18 and the young woman was 16. He was an adult and she was most definitely not. She was giggling and he has spectrum disorder. He does not read social cues, at all. I can attest to that fact. He'd never been in the presence of a naked girl. His response to the officer is that he wanted to know what it felt like "to be a girl". He's diagnosed with gender confusion and has been since he arrived in our home at age four, wearing dresses. None of these issues are excuses or rationalization for his crime. His actions were reprehensible and he is paying for that two minutes of stupidity. Oddly enough, the young lady became pregnant by another special ed student one month later. She still refers to our son as one of her boyfriends.
Our son is forbidden to speak of his rape or his trauma...ever. That does not figure into the picture in any way. I can accept this but I know in my heart that it will never work. I believe, in reality, that he needs to work on what happened to him while he was in utero, in infancy, in toddlerhood, and in early childhood, before he will ever make any progress into understanding that what he did to the 16 year old was wrong. So that he will never fail to listen to the word NO the first time. He still deserves to do his 10 years. No means no.
If we do not address the pain that this 15 year old girl has possibly undergone, how can we expect her to understand the pain she inflicted on her sister? If she has suffered at the hands of others, her sense of empathy can be forever affected. What purpose will the older sister's incarceration for 10 years or life serve for all of us?
If we decide, at some point, to release her, will she be in a better space to understand the consequences of pain inflicted on others? And when the 7 year old acts out in a similar fashion at age 15, due to inner turmoil and lack of empathy, what do we do then?
I absolutely cannot and do NOT accept the stance that "once a perp, no longer a victim". If we don't deal with the damaged psyche and skewed boundaries of a little girl who has very possibly been abused since her sister's age, history is just going to keep repeating itself. And we surely do not have the resources to lock up every offender forever.
Has anyone ever looked at the "curriculum" for sex offender treatment? No allowance is made for discussing, at any time, in any way, a person's own maltreatment or victimization. It is cause for being dropped from any program I have seen. It is a violation of the contract made with the therapist.
My adopted son was a witness to a grisly gangland murder and victim of abject neglect while he was in foster care in LA. He was raped repeatedly as an eight year old after being placed with us in adoption (his teacher son, the rapist, did 10 years). He has an IQ of 74 and myriad mental illnesses most likely due to being born exposed to PCP and heroin and being born, with his twin, at 26 weeks gestation (weighing 1.25 lbs). His twin is deaf, has cerebral palsy, spectrum disorder, and an IQ of 50. She is a sweet, hard-working young woman who has never offended even though, she too, was raped numerous times.
When our son was led up to another special ed student's room and she disrobed, he groped her, he penetrated her with his finger. She giggled and asked him to stop. He had to be told three times to stop. He did stop, he apologized and left. He was arrested the following day. He pleaded guilty to attempted rape and is serving 10 years for the crime.
I abhor what my son did. He was taught that NO means NO. I have zero tolerance for any sexual offense. I make no excuses for IQ level or mental illness. He was 18 and the young woman was 16. He was an adult and she was most definitely not. She was giggling and he has spectrum disorder. He does not read social cues, at all. I can attest to that fact. He'd never been in the presence of a naked girl. His response to the officer is that he wanted to know what it felt like "to be a girl". He's diagnosed with gender confusion and has been since he arrived in our home at age four, wearing dresses. None of these issues are excuses or rationalization for his crime. His actions were reprehensible and he is paying for that two minutes of stupidity. Oddly enough, the young lady became pregnant by another special ed student one month later. She still refers to our son as one of her boyfriends.
Our son is forbidden to speak of his rape or his trauma...ever. That does not figure into the picture in any way. I can accept this but I know in my heart that it will never work. I believe, in reality, that he needs to work on what happened to him while he was in utero, in infancy, in toddlerhood, and in early childhood, before he will ever make any progress into understanding that what he did to the 16 year old was wrong. So that he will never fail to listen to the word NO the first time. He still deserves to do his 10 years. No means no.
If we do not address the pain that this 15 year old girl has possibly undergone, how can we expect her to understand the pain she inflicted on her sister? If she has suffered at the hands of others, her sense of empathy can be forever affected. What purpose will the older sister's incarceration for 10 years or life serve for all of us?
If we decide, at some point, to release her, will she be in a better space to understand the consequences of pain inflicted on others? And when the 7 year old acts out in a similar fashion at age 15, due to inner turmoil and lack of empathy, what do we do then?
But if your taught no means no and you know it is wrong to violate another person sexually but do it anyways the how can we find a place in society for the people who commit these offenses? It is an unfair double edged sword I guess. I just do not understand at all.
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Warning disturbing.....I dont even want to copy anything from this link, but it has quite a bit of information.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/201...ut_at_party_by_step_sister_and_gangraped.html
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City officials plead for help in rounding up rape suspects
By Alexander Zdan
March 31, 2010, 9:21PM
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Police are conducting interviews and reviewing video surveillance in the building as they seek between five and seven people for the gang rape, along with anyone who drifted in and out of the party. The suspects are between the ages of 15 and 28 years old, sources said.
“People who live in the West State Street, Hermitage Avenue area know who these individuals are,” Juniak said.
The Mercer County Prosecutor’s Office will petition in family court to have the 15-year-old waived up to adult status, a spokesperson for the office said. She faces charges including criminal sexual assault and promoting prostitution. Police say they do not know the exact amount she allegedly sold herself or her sister for.
“We have an idea how much, it was very little,” Juniak said.
“The people who are responsible, you’re going to get caught, the police are going to get you,” Palmer said.
“If you have a scintilla of a conscience,” he said, “you got to give this up.”
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2010/03/city_officials_plead_for_help.html
By Alexander Zdan
March 31, 2010, 9:21PM
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Police are conducting interviews and reviewing video surveillance in the building as they seek between five and seven people for the gang rape, along with anyone who drifted in and out of the party. The suspects are between the ages of 15 and 28 years old, sources said.
“People who live in the West State Street, Hermitage Avenue area know who these individuals are,” Juniak said.
The Mercer County Prosecutor’s Office will petition in family court to have the 15-year-old waived up to adult status, a spokesperson for the office said. She faces charges including criminal sexual assault and promoting prostitution. Police say they do not know the exact amount she allegedly sold herself or her sister for.
“We have an idea how much, it was very little,” Juniak said.
“The people who are responsible, you’re going to get caught, the police are going to get you,” Palmer said.
“If you have a scintilla of a conscience,” he said, “you got to give this up.”
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2010/03/city_officials_plead_for_help.html
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I have a really hard time believing this is entirely the fifteen year olds doing.
I would really like to know more about the parents of these girls.
A fifteen year old that is soliciting herself has likely been sexually exploited by the adults in her life. A fifteen year old who then exploits her seven year old sister without a passing thought has really been indoctrinated in this type of environment.
AND then the odds that a randomly "pure evil" teenager runs into a group of people willing to pay to have sex with not just a teenager but with a seven year old, well to me that seems a bit coincidental.
A group of men who would pay for such activities gathered in a group, and finding an experienced teenage prostitute who just happens to have her seven year old sister in tow, and happens to be willing to pimp her out to?
Sorry, that is a planned and organized event.
Something much more sinister than an evil teenager is going on at the bottom of this story.
I would really like to know more about the parents of these girls.
A fifteen year old that is soliciting herself has likely been sexually exploited by the adults in her life. A fifteen year old who then exploits her seven year old sister without a passing thought has really been indoctrinated in this type of environment.
AND then the odds that a randomly "pure evil" teenager runs into a group of people willing to pay to have sex with not just a teenager but with a seven year old, well to me that seems a bit coincidental.
A group of men who would pay for such activities gathered in a group, and finding an experienced teenage prostitute who just happens to have her seven year old sister in tow, and happens to be willing to pimp her out to?
Sorry, that is a planned and organized event.
Something much more sinister than an evil teenager is going on at the bottom of this story.
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Good luck with that... If you had a scintilla of a conscience would you pay to rape a seven-year-old pimped by her sister?
Not if she identified with her abuser. It's sometimes easier for victims to want to become powerful like their abuser than be a victim.
BUT That's a whole lotta of "IF's" and really doesn't change my opinion of her. She knew right from wrong and she made the choice.
UN "F"ing BELIEVABLE I am outraged. :sick:
Yes the 15 year old needs help and she need to do time too.
There is something not right with this teenager; more then just rebellion, or just bad morals, maybe a bad seed and maybe mentally imbalanced. but she has to pay, or she will get worse.
I sure hope they get each one of the SOB's :furious:
Poor little 7 year old
her world is forever changed.
Yes the 15 year old needs help and she need to do time too.
There is something not right with this teenager; more then just rebellion, or just bad morals, maybe a bad seed and maybe mentally imbalanced. but she has to pay, or she will get worse.
I sure hope they get each one of the SOB's :furious:
Poor little 7 year old
her world is forever changed.NJ Teen Sells Stepsister! :sick::sick:
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...jax&utm_campaign=inlinesearch&utm_term=342224
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Trenton police Captain, Joseph Juniak is of the opinion that at one point of time the younger girl dressed and escaped from the apartment and was saved by two women. The girls parents had already called the police on seeing their daughters missing. It was the younger stepsister who narrated the incident to the police. The police are now on the lookout for the men who were involved in this incident. They believe that the owner of the apartment has not been living here for a long time now. However, they still have no clue as to how this group got into the house.
The 15 year old has been arrested and put in juvenile custody. Her name is being withheld as she is still a minor. Her stepsister is now being provided treatment at a hospital.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...jax&utm_campaign=inlinesearch&utm_term=342224
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Trenton police Captain, Joseph Juniak is of the opinion that at one point of time the younger girl dressed and escaped from the apartment and was saved by two women. The girls parents had already called the police on seeing their daughters missing. It was the younger stepsister who narrated the incident to the police. The police are now on the lookout for the men who were involved in this incident. They believe that the owner of the apartment has not been living here for a long time now. However, they still have no clue as to how this group got into the house.
The 15 year old has been arrested and put in juvenile custody. Her name is being withheld as she is still a minor. Her stepsister is now being provided treatment at a hospital.
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Respectfully snipped by me. Then I suppose I am one of "those" posters as well. My first thought on reading this one was "that 15 year old was sexually abused and is probably promiscuous and sees the body as currency because of it."
I too, am not in any way excusing this UNESCUSABLE act, simply saying, with sexual abuse, the victims become the victimizers, time and time again. It is why sex crimes against children continue in such frightening numbers. Because so many victims become the next generation of perpetrators.
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I think those of us who post things regarding sexual abuse history being possible factors in perpetrator's actions are those unfortunate souls whose own lives have been sadly and personally touched by the evil spectre of childhood sexual abuse.
That said, I did not become a peretrator, I did not become a murderer, I did not allow my own victimhood to become my excuse for bad/unacceptable behavior. Lots of people go through horrifc things in their childhoods.
Bottom line, personal accountability. This world does not encourage/support it. While I believe this girl did not become a monster without some circumstances behind it, I do not advocate anyone throwing her a pity party. I hope she is given a harsh/appropriate punishment AND treatment for some very real and obvious issues.
That said, I did not become a peretrator, I did not become a murderer, I did not allow my own victimhood to become my excuse for bad/unacceptable behavior. Lots of people go through horrifc things in their childhoods.
Bottom line, personal accountability. This world does not encourage/support it. While I believe this girl did not become a monster without some circumstances behind it, I do not advocate anyone throwing her a pity party. I hope she is given a harsh/appropriate punishment AND treatment for some very real and obvious issues.
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Just when I think I have seen it all, I see or hear something else that blows my mind away.. I just can not understand any of this.. Its just disturbing that a 7 year old would have to ever endure something like this...
I strongly believe that the older girl must be harshly punished. The sad reality is that she will most likely not receive treatment due to sharp budget cuts. Even if she is given a long sentence, it is likely that she will simply do her time and be released in 5-10 years after spending her formative teen years in lock-up. Most of us will not be too pleased with her demeanor at that point either. Very few states have been able to maintain viable treatment centers for offending youth.
In working with troubled teens for the last 20 years, I do not believe that 15 is too late to instigate some change for her. My wish is that she be placed in a locked facility and receive intense evaluation and treatment for her crime. If she doesn't, we'll have a new thread for her within months of her release IMO.
In working with troubled teens for the last 20 years, I do not believe that 15 is too late to instigate some change for her. My wish is that she be placed in a locked facility and receive intense evaluation and treatment for her crime. If she doesn't, we'll have a new thread for her within months of her release IMO.
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What frightens me is that without some serious intense mental health intervention, she will come out after her punishment with the same sort mindset she went in with, only having garnered new skills at being a "better" criminal by her incarceration. This in turn will only set the stage for her to start popping out her own children that she can then, in turn victimize/pimp.
And the cycle continues. Sigh. So disheartening.
And the cycle continues. Sigh. So disheartening.
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I hope this little one gets the help she is going to need.....
Praying for her...
Praying for her...
27 people arrested where rape of 7 year old took place
http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/7342872/
http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/7342872/
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So sad that it takes something like this 7 year old's molestation to bring a real police presence to this obviously criminal infested housing project. My heart breaks for mothers and fathers who must try and raise/protect their little ones in the heart of such a building. And don't even get me started on the little ones forced through finance (or lack there of) to live in a setting where you are not safe for even a second out of your mama's eyesight. Not able to play outside, not able to even set foot out of your door without being in real and imminent danger.
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