NJ - Sean Goldman: Abducted and living in Brazil UPDATE: Coming Home

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Good night, good rest.

OT --sorta

A few years back my husband's office was burglarized. I struck up a conversation with the young policewoman that was taking fingerprints on the furniture, and I asked how she came to her job. She said she was divorced and her husband had moved to A*****. She wanted her child to have a healthy childhood with both parents active in his life so she considered her options, and decided to move to be closer to the dad and pursue police work. I liked her immensely. She was professional, polite (patiently answering my questions) and understood that childhood is truly very short and the importance of putting her child first. If only all children where so valued.

I have had a chance to look at your links, open. Thanks again and the "Hot" is funny and true!

I wonder how things got to be so acrimonious between the Mother and Father that she would keep Sean from seeing him? I wish I could find more information about how she blocked his efforts to see Sean in that first year following their flight to Brazil. I also wish I could find more information on Sean's stepfather consciously alienating him from his father (as opposed to fighting him legally because of what he believes to be the best interests of the child, which of course leads to said alienation - such is the way of digging in on both sides).

Maybe I am missing something here - and I may well be. I just feel like I would have been in Brazil within months trying to see my child. It is not ever right for one parent to play such a manipulative card (ie - you give me custody or you can't see him) - clearly that is wrong on every level. But - for me - I know that I would definitely give up custody of my child (I don't care a bit about legal terms for intimate relationships) as long I could see my child and be a part of his life. That said - I understand I may be in a minority with that.

Again, I hate that both sides are so entrenched that they have lost sight of the fact that the best thing for the child at this point is a joint relationship - not all this legal posturing. I do agree that Brazil's judicial feet dragging has placed the stepfather in more of a power position and I can certainly understand the Dad's frustration with all of that.

For me, both sides have merit and both sides are missing the mark entirely - the mark being - what is best for this child now. This is a sad and complex case with no easy answers.
 
  • #162
It is a mess. What I find scary is the fact that international laws are being ignored. I looked up the recent interview with the Brazilian family. I love how Harry Smith delicately points out that the divorce had to be resolved in the country where the marriage contract was formed -- the USA, and their lawyer ignored that and continued to state Brazil had settled the matter. So much for respecting the law. I don't think David Goldman has been anything but an annoyance to the Brazilian family for some time and they certainly do not feel his rights matter. I am heartbroken this child is being put in this position. Sadly, I don't think if Goldman moved to Brazil they would truly let the child live with him. What they want him to do is go away.

CBC interview:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/22/crimesider/entry5104145.shtml


When you consider all the legal firepower Goldman has on his side and to no avial, that shows how powerful this Brazilian family is.

Sad case for sure.
 
  • #163
It is a mess. What I find scary is the fact that international laws are being ignored. I looked up the recent interview with the Brazilian family. I love how Harry Smith delicately points out that the divorce had to be resolved in the country where the marriage contract was formed -- the USA, and their lawyer ignored that and continued to state Brazil had settled the matter. So much for respecting the law. I don't think David Goldman has been anything but an annoyance to the Brazilian family for some time and they certainly do not feel his rights matter. I am heartbroken this child is being put in this position. Sadly, I don't think if Goldman moved to Brazil they would truly let the child live with him. What they want him to do is go away.

CBC interview:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/22/crimesider/entry5104145.shtml


When you consider all the legal firepower Goldman has on his side and to no avial, that shows how powerful this Brazilian family is.

Sad case for sure.

You are right about Brazil and these international laws regarding children (and other family matters) - according to most articles I have read, they are a pretty regular offender.

I also hate how this has been turned into a Brazil vs. US issue. I understand how Goldman must feel very powerless. The hardest part is that we have reached the stage in the game where the child- for very obvious and understandable reasons - wishes to stay. While I understand that children do not always know what is best for them, I believe the boy's opinion should be given some serious weight.
 
  • #164
I have had a chance to look at your links, open. Thanks again and the "Hot" is funny and true!

I wonder how things got to be so acrimonious between the Mother and Father that she would keep Sean from seeing him? I wish I could find more information about how she blocked his efforts to see Sean in that first year following their flight to Brazil. I also wish I could find more information on Sean's stepfather consciously alienating him from his father (as opposed to fighting him legally because of what he believes to be the best interests of the child, which of course leads to said alienation - such is the way of digging in on both sides).

Maybe I am missing something here - and I may well be. I just feel like I would have been in Brazil within months trying to see my child. It is not ever right for one parent to play such a manipulative card (ie - you give me custody or you can't see him) - clearly that is wrong on every level. But - for me - I know that I would definitely give up custody of my child (I don't care a bit about legal terms for intimate relationships) as long I could see my child and be a part of his life. That said - I understand I may be in a minority with that.

Again, I hate that both sides are so entrenched that they have lost sight of the fact that the best thing for the child at this point is a joint relationship - not all this legal posturing. I do agree that Brazil's judicial feet dragging has placed the stepfather in more of a power position and I can certainly understand the Dad's frustration with all of that.

For me, both sides have merit and both sides are missing the mark entirely - the mark being - what is best for this child now. This is a sad and complex case with no easy answers.

The mom just decided she wanted to move back home and leave David. I don't think things were acrimonious between the couple at all. David was very surprised by his wife's kidnapping of Sean and permanent return to Brazil. He had no clue things were bad. I have seen a few cases of women from third world countries, rich or not, who see the U.S. as the Garden of Eden with streets paved with gold. All they know is what they see on t.v.. When Bruna came here and saw that most people live an average life and that she would likely have to work, she was probably shocked and wanted out pretty quickly. I don't think she really loved David. She loved the idea of glamorous United States and an American husband. When her fantasy faded, she likely knew David would not simply allow her to take their son and go, so she planned and stole their child.

The info on the step-dad alienating Sean comes from a ruling from the courts down in Brazil who found, in an investigation, that the step-dad was actively alienating the child. Proof of this is also found in how they restrict access to Sean. David talks about this quite a bit. During one supervised visit, they were not shadowed closely by the monitor and they had fun, laughed, etc. Sean's step-family was watching and apparently did not like that. So, he was kept up late at night before the next visit, was visibly exhausted the day of that next visit and was supervised by a different monitor who stuck to them like glue, inches away, even jumping in the pool with them while they swam. This kind of monitoring is, in itself, a form of alienation. Having some third party hovering that close sends the child the message that the parent is dangerous. Also, who knows what the family told Sean after the first supervised visit but by the second, he was reticent and withdrawn . It all fits a classic alienation pattern.

I know you don't care about legalities, but as a family law attorney, I can tell you they are important. If you gave up custody as you stated you would, you would likely never see your child again. When a person gives up custody rights, they lose the power to see their child. If David had agreed to do so, he would have no recourse at all if the mother then said, "Well, I've changed my mind. You can no longer see your son." Maintaining custody is necessary if the left-behind parent wants ANY chance of seeing their child again. David has had the advice of attorneys and they are looking out for his best interest and that of his son, I'm sure.

As far as moving to Brazil, I have researched international abductions as part of my work. You should try to surf the net and read up a bit. It is gruesome what happens and it is why the Hague Convention included a provision against international kidnappings. When parents try to relocate to the country where the child has been taken, they usually have little luck maintaining a relationship with their child once there. The courts continue to rule against them regarding visitation and the kidnapping parent continues to try to thwart contact. The very act of international kidnapping is evidence of parental alienation. It is clear evidence that the kidnapper wants to sever the relationship between parent and child. They go to their native country where they know the judicial system and have more clout because they are citizens. They use nationalism to foster resentment by their home country against the "ugly American" interloper.
It's pure hell for the left behind parents. It is truly a Kafkaesque nightmare for them. I can tell you stories about what some parents have suffered trying to see their children in those countries. Horrible stuff. Germany is one of the worst offenders, BTW. For example, the court rules mom can see the child during a supervised visit once a week. She gets excited to see the child and goes to the visit. Paternal grandmother stays close by the whole time glaring at the child whenever the child shows interest in mommy. Right before the next visit, further restrictions are put on the visit. It's now at another location. Mom now only has two hours instead of four. Now the child can say he or she wants to terminate the visit early. (Of course someone is coaching the child to say so). Mom now cannot bring presents. Then, a psychologist who is taking notes must be involved. Minutes before a subsequent visit, mom is told the visit is cancelled because the psychologist observed the visits are "stressful" for the child. Keeping a kid up late, telling them horrible things about the visiting parent, closely observing during visits and interrogating the child after the visit, cancelling or rescheduling visits at the last minute, changing locations or visitation times suddenly, so the visiting parent can't get there on time, etc., are common tactics used to keep the left behind parent from maintaining a relationship.

Those who think a left behind parent can simply move to the country the child has been kidnapped to and maintain a relationship are completely in the dark about how these things work. The kidnapper does not want the other parent to ever be involved again, that's why these kidnappings happen and that's why moving to the new country does not work. Also, please remember, the courts of the nation to which the child has been taken, as well as the kidnapping parent, know that they have acted in violation of international law and the laws of the country of origin. So, they are not simply going to let the left behind parent have unlimited access to the child in the new country because he or she could easily take the child and run back to the country of origin, at any time, and get court orders there that prevent the child from being removed again. It's a risk that the offending parent and violating country do not want to take. And make no mistake, all of this is in violation of the Hague convention for a reason. It is not in the best interest of a child to be kidnapped. Studies show they suffer extreme psychological problems as adults, as a result of these events.

As far as your claim that both sides are so entrenched that they cannot see what is best for Sean, I disagree. Sean's dad has always looked out for his best interest. The step-dad has not. Being actively alienated and lied to by the step-father and maternal family about one's dad, is abuse. Further, severing the father-son bond by kidnapping the child and then restricting, refusing or limiting visits, is abuse. Finally, Sean has a strong bond still with his father who he loved intensely during his first four years. I think it will strange at first for him to leave Brazil and I think all efforts should be made for him to maintain contact with his sister, but the bond that still exists will shield Sean from too much psychological harm if he is able to move home, with his Daddy. On the other hand, I think keeping him from his Daddy, even though it is in a country he is now used to, will certainly cause and has been found to be causing psychological distress.

I have been following David's case closely for a few years. This man has dropped everything - his whole life, since Sean was taken, in an effort to maintain contact. It bothers me greatly that he is second-guessed about his efforts. The man does not stop, never has and never will. He has done everything he can to be with his son. He is tireless but broken-hearted and devastated. There is nothing you can suggest which he has not tried or considered but he keeps hitting new walls. Think of the latest rulings. One recent ruling held that David could have Sean six days a week if he moved to Brazil. Only a few days later, that ruling was overturned. That's the world of international kidnappings and that's what Sean and David have been subjected to.
 
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You are right about Brazil and these international laws regarding children (and other family matters) - according to most articles I have read, they are a pretty regular offender.

I also hate how this has been turned into a Brazil vs. US issue. I understand how Goldman must feel very powerless. The hardest part is that we have reached the stage in the game where the child- for very obvious and understandable reasons - wishes to stay. While I understand that children do not always know what is best for them, I believe the boy's opinion should be given some serious weight.

Remember Elian Gonzales? His distant family members, who he had never known before, got him to say, only months after being kidnapped from his dad, that he did not want to go home to Cuba. The child seemed adamant. It was nonsense. How could a little boy of six suddenly want to stay with a family he never knew and not be home with his dad? Believe me, life in Cuba is not like here but the life that child was living was no hell. His family had more than many there and more important, he had a strong relationship with his dad and tons of love.

It is easy to get a kid to say what you want them too. But, perhaps Sean does feel he wants to stay where he is used to living. However, there are other reports that show Sean has screamed, cried and begged to go home with his dad, at the end of visits. He loves his father. He should not be denied a life with his daddy.
 
  • #166
As far as moving to Brazil, I have researched international abductions as part of my work.


First -- amazing post with good information.

I checked about getting a visa to Brazil. I am not sure it would be that easy for Goldman to just move to Brazil. You don't move down and hope to find a job, and considering the power this family has, I could see him not being able to get or maintain employment, or get a temporary visa little more a permanent visa. I see that challenge/offer from the Brazilian family as a smoke screen that they know he could not acheive.

Visa information:

http://www.brasilemb.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=42&Itemid=155

I will admit I have not had that many cases as a Guardian ad litem so my experience is limited. The goal when dealing with families as a CASA is to do what is best for the child which might not be what the child actually wants. The interest of the adults is considered in so much as how is best benefits the child. Unification between the birth family and the child is always the ultimate and desired goal. From what I see, I am very concerned how the Brazilian family feels their rights supercede the biological father's. Their lack of respect for the rights of anyone else would make me wonder how much freedom this child will have as he grows older. If he ultimately wanted to freely see his father, and in the USA, would they allow that? Their arrogance is very off setting.
 
  • #167
First -- amazing post with good information.

I checked about getting a visa to Brazil. I am not sure it would be that easy for Goldman to just move to Brazil. You don't move down and hope to find a job, and considering the power this family has, I could see him not being able to get or maintain employment, or get a temporary visa little more a permanent visa. I see that challenge/offer from the Brazilian family as a smoke screen that they know he could not acheive.

Visa information:

http://www.brasilemb.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=42&Itemid=155

I will admit I have not had that many cases as a Guardian ad litem so my experience is limited. The goal when dealing with families as a CASA is to do what is best for the child which might not be what the child actually wants. The interest of the adults is considered in so much as how is best benefits the child. Unification between the birth family and the child is always the ultimate and desired goal. From what I see, I am very concerned how the Brazilian family feels their right supercede the biological father's. There lack of respect for the rights of anyone else would make me wonder how much freedom this child will have as he grows older. If he ultimately wanted to freely see his father, and in the USA, would they allow that? Their arrogance is very off setting.

I completely agree with you. They are horrible people, to me. BTW, kudos for being a CASA! I'm very familiar with the program out here and have referred a few people to it. Many children would be lost without you guys! You rock!
 
  • #168
This child's wishes should be honored, IMHO.

The child's wishes should not be honored when the child is a victim of psychological abuse. The Hague Convention does not call for the child's wishes to be honored either. This child (Sean) has been severely brainwashed by his "oh so loving" maternal family to the point they are telling him that his Daddy abandoned him, that he doesn't love him, that he scheduled visits and failed to show up when in fact ALL OF THAT IS LIES!!! As well, he has sent Sean gifts, etc., and they have been returned. So, you feel it would be better to leave a child in an abusive environment? Mental/Psychological abuse is a crime! In fact, Brazil is in process of passing a law to make it a criminal act (punishable by 2 years in prison) for anyone using Parental Alienation on a child.

Did the child's stepfather limit access between the child and Goldman - did the Mother try to limit access before she died?

Yes, the stepfather has limited access between Sean and his father. In fact, October 2008, there was a court ordered visit for David to see his son for the first time since the abduction. Lins e Silva (the stepfather) lied to the courts about why he took Sean and left Rio for the weekend. At first, he said he wasn't aware of the scheduled visit (that's a lie because he had already appealed it). Then when that lie fell through, he came up with some BS story about David bringing in so many cameras that it looked like they were filming a soap opera. Brazilian Federal Security denied that claim.

On the CBS show the last week, the maternal family said they would never stop David from seeing his son -- if he had a judges permission. Well, he does (from a February 2009 court order) have permission. Yet, they still pull their excuses from the magicians hat doing any and everything to keep them apart.

It is my understanding that there is no restrictions on David's visitation, yet the family will not allow Sean to leave their condo 'compound'. He is closely monitored there to the point they will set a recorder between them to know what is being said. David said that one visit, he and Sean were in the swimming pool and the monitor got in the pool between them and told Sean that he was to speak only Portuguese -- all the while knowing David doesn't speak Portuguese.

I could go on.... but I won't.

I understand why Goldman wants his son. I also understand why the stepfather wants him and thinks it would be in the child's best interest to stay where he is. I also understand why the child want to stay where he is. It is a complicated case without easy answers - at this point, based on what I know, I would not uproot the child again.

When asked by 3 court appointed psychologists about where he wanted to stay, Sean replied "whatever". He said he didn't care that it was up to the judge. He has told David that he wants to go home, but the family would have you believe otherwise. This same family just filed criminal charges against these 3 psychologists because they said Sean is a victim of Parental Alienation. The step-father is an International Family Law attorney (as his father, grandfather was too). His father (Paulo) is an expert in Parental Alienation and has given many speeches that state you can not ask a child where he wants to live when he is a victim of PA. However, this is the same man that claims he isn't involved in his sons fight - yet he sent a nasty letter filled with lies (that have been disputed by David's attorney) to the Ambassador. As well, he organized a protest outside of David's hotel -- including paying people from the beach to join in.

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I do agree that parental alienation is abuse. Like I said in my earlier post, I consider legal wrangling over child custody abuse unless it is COMPLETELY hidden from the child and that is rare, of course.

Can you tell me why Goldman didn't go over to Brazil after he determined his wife was staying there with his son? Was there some legal restriction that stopped him from seeing Sean?

David has made more than 12 trips to Brazil fighting for his son. Bruna, his exwife, called him from Brazil and told him that he needed to come to Brazil and sign 10 pages stating that he would give her custody of Sean; otherwise, he would never see Sean again. He refused to give her custody. He hired an attorney who advised him to file an application under the Hague Convention. Had David gone to see Sean and signed over custody, he would have lost him forever. I admire him for keeping up his fight.

Not to mention, Bruna took the travel authorization that David signed (thinking it was for a vacation) to the State Courts in Brazil saying that he authorized her to move to Brazil (A LIE!). She filed for custody of Sean and was awarded such. However, this is NOT a custody dispute - this is an International Parental Child Abduction case. Thankfully, David has audio recordings of Bruna screaming these things to him. As well, he has legal paperwork filed by Bruna and her family in the NJ courts a year and a half later stating that he was a great guy and the most wonderful father for Sean.

ETA - I'm not saying the child's stepfather is blameless in this matter - it takes two parties to pull a child in half (with help of course from countless attorneys, counselors, etc.....)

The latest judge (Judge Pinto) stated that Sean is once again a victim of abduction via the stepfather.

Just me, Brazil is sanctionizing kidnapping. The Brazil stepfather has no legal claim except what the Brazil courts allows him. This is very unethical, and I find it all deeply disturbing. Why should Goldman be required to move to Brazil to see his own son. Let the Brazilian stepfather move to NJ to stay a part of Sean's life. The child will adjust to his new/old home. This Brazilian family can bend the rules and they have deeper pockets to keep the fight going. The alienation is being created by the refusal of the stepfather to give the child back to his real father.

Question, when the mother died in childbirth did the baby survive?

Brazil is sanctioning abduction (their definition of kidnapping includes a ransom), IMHO. The baby did survive. She was born August 21, 2008...her name is Chiara.

I agree, but the stepfather never had a legal claim on this child, and he initiated this tug of war with his unreasonable and invalid claims. The stepfather has made the father look like the heavy for not relinquishing his rightful claim. I am appalled the law in any country would disavow a birth father the right to raise his child. If this was reversed, and the Brazilian stepfather was trying to get his child back, would he feel the former husband of his deceased wife had more rights to raise his child. Just my opinion, but I would think absolutely not. Goldman is an honest man and good father. It's not easy to move to a foreign country. There are many hurdles to jump -- visas, new job, new home, etc. Once Goldman is in Brazil, the stepfather will have the leverage to manage all events. Since he has already twisted and manipulated the law to control this situation, I don't think they would be satisfied to let Sean live with his father six days a week. My opinion, but that offer was made to make Goldman look bad. An attempt to make him look selfish because he does not want surrender his life, his rights, his culture to live in Brazil and allow the stepfather to call all the shots.

Brazilian law states that the child should be with his father (per Judge Pinto of Brazils 16th Federal Courts). I don't think the offer of 6 days/week visitation for David was to make him look bad. This modification of transition was made by Judge Pinto who ruled in David's favor. I think he is trying to give David as much time as possible with Sean so that they can rebuild their relationship. The order did not require David to move to Brazil. It stated that anytime David was in Brazil, this order would stand. However, the maternal family (who said they wouldn't keep Sean from David when in Brazil) quickly appealed that.

When was the last time Sean was in the states? Where is a neutral party that can ask Sean what he wants without pressure from the Brazilian family or his father to influence how he answers?

Sean was last in the States on June 16, 2004, the day his mother and grandparents abducted him to Brazil. The neutral party was the 3 court appointed psychologists that interviewed him over the course of several months. The last psychological interview was PAID FOR by the maternal family. In this interview, all questions were considered "leading questions". They didn't allow for Sean to answer anyway except "yes or no" (for the most part).

Openmind,

Do you know what the arrangement was (or if there was any arrangement at all) between the Mother and Goldman after the Mother took the child to Brazil?

I know it's not easy to move to a foreign country - I watched my BIL do this in order to be with his son. It was a difficult path for him to take. It is still a difficult path for him to take. He takes it to be in his son's life.

I know this wasn't directed to me, but I'll answer anyway. There was never an arrangement. Anytime David would call, they would hang up. Any gifts mailed to Sean, would be returned. Anytime David was in Brazil, he wasn't allowed to see him. Had David pushed for visitation, it is my understanding from other LBP's, it would have greatly affected his Hague case. Bruna wanted David to give her full custody and he refused. She played it through the Brazilian State Courts (where the judges are corrupt - that is the opinion of a Brazilian attorney that I am in contact with - the judges in the State court are also friends of the Lins e Silva family).

I have had a chance to look at your links, open. Thanks again and the "Hot" is funny and true!

I wonder how things got to be so acrimonious between the Mother and Father that she would keep Sean from seeing him? I wish I could find more information about how she blocked his efforts to see Sean in that first year following their flight to Brazil. I also wish I could find more information on Sean's stepfather consciously alienating him from his father (as opposed to fighting him legally because of what he believes to be the best interests of the child, which of course leads to said alienation - such is the way of digging in on both sides).

IMO, the mom decided to return to Brazil because she had to work in New Jersey. :eek: She wanted her spoiled rich lifestyle back. She said that she wanted to go home where people knew her - knew her name. She came from a very prominent family in Rio. I guess living the suburban life in New Jersey wasn't what she wanted afterall. I think she was more in love with the idea of being married to an International Model than being married to David. Her divorce in Brazil is not recognized in the US either because she was married in the US.

She played through the State Courts during the first year. By the time the Federal Courts made their ruling, they said Sean was adapted to life in Brazil with his mother therefore ruling against David. (That's my understanding anyway). They never recognized it as a Hague Case - only as a custody case. Brazilian Supreme Court Minister Ellen Gracie recently stated that this is a definite Hague Case and Sean should have been returned to his habitual residence in New Jersey years ago.

Maybe I am missing something here - and I may well be. I just feel like I would have been in Brazil within months trying to see my child. It is not ever right for one parent to play such a manipulative card (ie - you give me custody or you can't see him) - clearly that is wrong on every level. But - for me - I know that I would definitely give up custody of my child (I don't care a bit about legal terms for intimate relationships) as long I could see my child and be a part of his life. That said - I understand I may be in a minority with that.

Had David given up custody of Sean to Bruna, that would have played right into her hands. He would never have seen Sean again, IMO. I agree with you (shocked? lol) that it is not right for one parent to manipulate the situation. A child needs both parents. Sadly, Bruna created this mess all for her own selfishness.

One thing that gets me is they state that Sean says he wants to stay. I can believe that because he probably (he just turned 9) doesn't understand what they are doing to him. However, Sean was never given a chance to tell them what he wanted 5 years ago. It has been reported that when David did call and was able to speak with Sean (before they realized who it was and hung up on him - he has that recorded too), that Sean would tell him "DaDa I love you forever." He would cry and tell them that he wanted to go home to his DaDa.

Again, I hate that both sides are so entrenched that they have lost sight of the fact that the best thing for the child at this point is a joint relationship - not all this legal posturing. I do agree that Brazil's judicial feet dragging has placed the stepfather in more of a power position and I can certainly understand the Dad's frustration with all of that.

For me, both sides have merit and both sides are missing the mark entirely - the mark being - what is best for this child now. This is a sad and complex case with no easy answers.

I think David has only Sean's best interests at heart. It's not wrong to want to raise your child (I know you agree with that).

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I thought your post (the long one) deserved a special thank you. Hitting the "thanks" button just wasn't enough! :clap:

ETA: You should really come over to the Bring Sean Home forum - your input would be appreciated. http://bringseanhome.org/forum/ (It's a simple sign-up for those who want to join, if you haven't already.)
 
  • #169
The child's wishes should not be honored when the child is a victim of psychological abuse. The Hague Convention does not call for the child's wishes to be honored either. This child (Sean) has been severely brainwashed by his "oh so loving" maternal family to the point they are telling him that his Daddy abandoned him, that he doesn't love him, that he scheduled visits and failed to show up when in fact ALL OF THAT IS LIES!!! As well, he has sent Sean gifts, etc., and they have been returned. So, you feel it would be better to leave a child in an abusive environment? Mental/Psychological abuse is a crime! In fact, Brazil is in process of passing a law to make it a criminal act (punishable by 2 years in prison) for anyone using Parental Alienation on a child.





The latest judge (Judge Pinto) stated that Sean is once again a victim of abduction via the stepfather.



Brazil is sanctioning abduction (their definition of kidnapping includes a ransom), IMHO. The baby did survive. She was born August 21, 2008...her name is Chiara.



Sean was last in the States on June 16, 2004, the day his mother and grandparents abducted him to Brazil. The neutral party was the 3 court appointed psychologists that interviewed him over the course of several months. The last psychological interview was PAID FOR by the maternal family. In this interview, all questions were considered "leading questions". They didn't allow for Sean to answer anyway except "yes or no" (for the most part).



I know this wasn't directed to me, but I'll answer anyway. There was never an arrangement. Anytime David would call, they would hang up. Any gifts mailed to Sean, would be returned. Anytime David was in Brazil, he wasn't allowed to see him. Had David pushed for visitation, it is my understanding from other LBP's, it would have greatly affected his Hague case. Bruna wanted David to give her full custody and he refused. She played it through the Brazilian State Courts (where the judges are corrupt - that is the opinion of a Brazilian attorney that I am in contact with - the judges in the State court are also friends of the Lins e Silva family).



I think David has only Sean's best interests at heart. It's not wrong to want to raise your child (I know you agree with that).



I thought your post (the long one) deserved a special thank you. Hitting the "thanks" button just wasn't enough! :clap:

ETA: You should really come over to the Bring Sean Home forum - your input would be appreciated. http://bringseanhome.org/forum/ (It's a simple sign-up for those who want to join, if you haven't already.)

Thanks! Yours is a great post as well. I understand how people may feel differently about this at first blush. They may think of the Baby M and other cases where adopted children were yanked from their adoptive parents and returned to birth parents who did not raise them or see them since birth. But, this is a far different case as are virtually all international child abductions. This is not a custody issue or adoption problem. It's a crime, period. Further, the birth parents of the children given up for adoption and then taken back were given up and had no relationship at all with the birth parents. Thus, giving them back to the birth parents would be traumatic. In Sean's case, he was never given away and he had a solid relationship with a seriously loving father. He should be returned at once.

What people don't understand is that if parents simply gave up and gave in when their children were abducted out of the country for fear of once again destabilizing the child, the soul killing that is international child abduction would be sanctioned and would become much more common. It would encourage people who for whatever reason do not want to deal with the other parent, to cause their children to lose a parent. It's like a death to these kids, such loss. This is not about bio vs. adoptive or de facto parents. It's about the theft of a little four year old boy who cried for his daddy when he was stolen and continues to cry for him to this day. Four years is old enough to suffer the loss of a parent. It's only been five years. Sean remembers. I would ask those who feel Sean is better of with his criminal kidnappers if they would forget their parent and not want to go home if five years had passed since seeing them, or half their life had passed. We are not talking about a four month old infant who does not know his dad from Adam. We are talking about a little boy, not even a toddler, who spent a huge amount of time with his Daddy.

I do visit Bring Sean Home often but I have not logged on to the forum. Bring Sean Home is one of my Myspace friends and I have signed the petition. People need to educate themselves about international abductions and parental alienation syndrome. While neither are as bad as a stranger abduction which involves child molestation, for example, both are highly abusive. To leave Sean there with his abductors who are actively alienating him with the idea that he is "used to it" is madness. No one ever gets used to abuse. I pray for Sean and David and am seriously grateful to see a real parent for once, who will never stop fighting for the welfare of his child.
 
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Thanks Gitana and Openmind and Bree - y'all have given me a lot to think about!
 
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Thanks Bogeygal! I know I haven't posted anything on this forum about this case in several months, but I closely follow this case on the BSH forum. There is an expected ruling tomorrow and I PRAY TO THE LORD ABOVE that some common sense come into this ruling and that there are no stays in effect before Sean Goldman is out of Brazil. Dear Lord, please let them rule from their hearts and not with corruption (as was done in the Brazilian State Courts 5 years ago).

At BSH, we have a BRING SEAN HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS campaign going on as well as other things...contacting our representatives and asking them to support H.R. 3240 which would put sanctions against these countries that we give funding to that are harboring our 3,000 abucted children.

As well, on December 2, 2009, there was a hearing with the Thomas Lantos Committee in DC and 4 LBPs, including David Goldman, were invited to give testimony. A video of David's testimony can be viewed on the front page of BSH: http://www.bringseanhome.org/



Dual custody with an abductor? Visitations with his Dad that the abductors have supervised and record and then mentally torture this child?? There is no court order that states David can't remove Sean from the premises of his grandmothers condo, but she won't allow it. Also, the federal courts in Brazil have sided with David Goldman and have admitted in their findings that the child, Sean Goldman, is being mentally abused (as reflected in 3 reports by psychologists - one of which was bought by the LeS and Ribiero clan, they tried to get the judge to throw it out after it didn't show what they wanted).

After David's last visit in June, he decided that his visiting was not worth the torture that they later put his son through. They kept Sean up - depriving him of sleep, told him that he could not tell his father that he loved him, that he wasn't allowed to call him Dad...only David, and much more. Is this the type of people that you would have continue visiting with your child? And fwiw, the step-father, the socio-pathetic abductor (as we like to refer to him) does not live in the home with Sean and he has a new girl friend - less than a year after his wife's death. This coming after he told Sean that David abandoned him and didn't love him and that he didn't want a girlfriend ever -- he only wanted to be a "father" to Sean. GMAB!!! He is in this fight to keep peace with his MIL. BTW, she is no party to this case...she has filed papers and they have been denied.

Brazilian Law, along with the Hague Convention, states that Sean should be in New Jersey with his father. Why these mothers feel that the child needs them more than they need their fathers, I will never understand.
 
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Just received word from Brazil that TRF-2 ruled 3-0 that Sean must be turned over on Friday to return to USA. :woohoo:

The grandmother, who is not a party to this case, has filed a second Habeas Corpus this morning. The first was filed in July and denied by the Chief Justice of Brazil's Supreme Court. This child has suffered enough mental abuse at the hands of his Brazilian "family"...please Lord, bring this child home to his Dad. :praying:

I'll post more details as I hear something. :online:
 
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Please, please, please let this be the end of all this back and forth!! Sean needs to come home with his Dad!
 
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I think it's incredibly sad that this can't be resolved with dual custody and frequent visits.

Oh NONONONO parties to abduction should not be granted dual custody and visitation.
 
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Andrea Mitchell has reported that David Goldman is packing and plans to fly out to Brazil tonight. Although, he's hopeful, there's still no guarantee. Every time he thinks he has won, a Brazilian judge/court has smacked it down.

Please LORD, let Sean come home to his Dad.
 
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Andrea Mitchell has reported that David Goldman is packing and plans to fly out to Brazil tonight. Although, he's hopeful, there's still no guarantee. Every time he thinks he has won, a Brazilian judge/court has smacked it down.

Please LORD, let Sean come home to his Dad.

I'd like to smack down some Brazilian Judge...deprived the child and Father of years of their relationship and exposed the child to untold abuse. We won't know how bad it was until David gets Sean home.
 
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I think it's incredibly sad that this can't be resolved with dual custody and frequent visits.

I agree, Linda. This boy doesn't perceive his stepfather as an abductor :rolleyes:, but as a parent. It's heartbreaking that these two grown men have not been able to work this out in a different manner.
 
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Just heard on HLN..David Goldman was awarded custody of Sean by the Brazilian Courts and Sean is to be turned over to him on Friday.
 

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