GUILTY NM - Paul, 34, & Tryone Posey, 44, Marilea Schmid, 13, slain, Hondo, 5 July 2004

[Bobbisangel]

I hope so, Ocean. Frankly I'm surprised by those who will do and say anything to excuse his actions. I find it odd that those that support his actions ignore what he did to his step-sister, or find excuses for that murder as well. It's good to know that I am not the only one who questions his behavior and feels that he has major issues. Fortunately, the Judge will not be swayed by theatrics and will render the sentence based on the facts both before, during and after the murders.

IMO

I will speak for myself here and not for everyone who feels the same way that I do. I don't feel for one minute that I am excusing Cody's actions. I have tried to understand his actions....the life that he lived and how this all came about. I watched the trial everyday and listened to witness after witness speak of the way that Cody was treated. I don't believe that any of the witnesses were into theatrics or lying. I don't believe that his attorney was into theatrics either. But that is my opinion.

Of course there have to be consequences for what happened but I don't believe it has to mean that Cody spends the rest of his life in prison. I also have my doubts that he has been in juvenile since his arrest taking on every kid that looks crossed eyed at him. Even though I'm sure there are some people who would like to believe the worst of him.

We all have our own opinions and thoughts about this case and yes, in the end it will be the judge who will decide what happens to Cody.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I will speak for myself here and not for everyone who feels the same way that I do. I don't feel for one minute that I am excusing Cody's actions. I have tried to understand his actions....the life that he lived and how this all came about. I watched the trial everyday and listened to witness after witness speak of the way that Cody was treated. I don't believe that any of the witnesses were into theatrics or lying. I don't believe that his attorney was into theatrics either. But that is my opinion.

Of course there have to be consequences for what happened but I don't believe it has to mean that Cody spends the rest of his life in prison. I also have my doubts that he has been in juvenile since his arrest taking on every kid that looks crossed eyed at him. Even though I'm sure there are some people who would like to believe the worst of him.

We all have our own opinions and thoughts about this case and yes, in the end it will be the judge who will decide what happens to Cody.

With all due respect, I don't find it difficult to imagine the worst when considering what exactly Cody Posey did. The heinous, meticulous way the murders were carried out coupled with his actions immediately after to conceal his crimes proves to me beyond all doubt that Cody is seriously and profoundly disturbed. He is going to remain seriously disturbed.

Yes, he was abused, but so are countless thousands of others that do not resort to brutally murderering their abusers and go dragging their victims faceless bloody bodies around.

I have great sympathy for all abuse victims. We as a society do need to do more, be more aware and report child abuse when we suspect it. But Cody Posey is the WRONG poster boy to champion that cause.


He's a cold blooded killer and he needs to pay for his crimes.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I hope so, Ocean. Frankly I'm surprised by those who will do and say anything to excuse his actions. I find it odd that those that support his actions ignore what he did to his step-sister, or find excuses for that murder as well. It's good to know that I am not the only one who questions his behavior and feels that he has major issues. Fortunately, the Judge will not be swayed by theatrics and will render the sentence based on the facts both before, during and after the murders.

IMO

I can say I have never been bashed and berated on another site as much as I have during this case because I see Marilea as the true innocent victim in this case. I have been told that I don't care about abused children :furious: because I refuse to leave CP blameless for these crimes and refuse to give him a million excuses to kill three people.

I, as a abused child survivor have taken my emotions out of this case. Yes, abuse is a horrible thing and should never happen to any child but the day that CP premeditated these crimes IMO he no longer was the victim but the victimizer.

IMO, this is a very simple case. I do believe at times PP abused CP and yes one time is too many but I do not believe it was near the tales Cody said knowing that dead people tell no tales.

I looked at this case head on. 1) Cody picked the very weekend out of all other weekends to commit these crimes when he knew that SD would not be out and about. 2) No one to hear the 5 shots ring out. 3) he completed it without a hitch, knowing he was the only one with a loaded weapon 4) lying in wait 5) picking the order in which to kill them. 6) leaving scene to look like a break in along with note. 7) total recall of events meaning IMO he was not in a crisis state but cold and calculating.

I took the own words of CODY POSEY......he told us all why he killed his little sister because he did not want her to tell or nothing and he didn't want to go to jail for life. THAT is why a young girl of 13 lies dead in a cold grave somewhere.

I find his "sexual assault" story unbelievable. No one ...not one living soul is here to say if that happened or not. I have had welding burns before and in no way do I believe that Cody could have withstood one burn and remain standing there for PP to be able to burn him again.

We have many abused children in our country much more than Cody Posey told us he was yet they kill no one. They pray that they will become survivors not triple murderers. Cody Posey is a triple murderer he is not a poster child for abused children. There are many such poster children out there Cody is not like them.

He is extremely rare in a tiny group but so typical of criminal behavior as many serious criminals have abusive childhoods. I wouldn't have advocated for Henry Lucas, the serial killer, either when he killed his abusive mother as Henry just simply liked killing and went onto kill many others after his mother's murder. And yet he was horribly abused but see he is psychopath and I am afraid that Cody is going to be one too. To me he is a threat. I couldn't believe he had been in solitary confinement for 80 days! and I guess this is before they pulled him out and put him in Sequoia.

IMO this was a premeditated crime and nothing to do with an escalation of anything. Cody saw Paul and Tryone as obstacles.....they stood between him and what he wanted to do which was hangout with potheads, smoke dope, drink and have his girlfriend. He simply removed the obstacles in his life imo and killed a poor innocent child that deserved life as much as Cody Posey.

Sorry for the lengthy post. LOL Dont post much over here but I sure read a lot and enjoy everyone's POV.

IMO

Ocean

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If you read the accounts of Marilea's behavior and treatment of Cody, which was testified to by her friends at school and other ranch hands, as well as the accounts of abusive treatment toward her by her parents (mostly the step-father), you get a rather grim picture of her very likely future.

The fact that Marilea, to all accounts, identified with the abusers, doing whatever was necessary to curry favor, and not the abused does not forecast a Happy And Loving Personality As An Adult. If you've ever read the accounts of women who either stand by and allow spouses or boyfriends to abuse their children or, even worse, participate in it, and wonder "How can a mother allow this to happen to her child?", you'll find they were all similarly "conditioned" in childhood by abusive parents. This is NOT a rare case.

Paul Posey and everyone who enabled him and/or turned a blind eye to his behavior has as much to do with destroying the choices of everyone on the farm as Cody.

There are many, many, many children in abusive situations that do whatever they have to ........to SURVIVE......they go onto to be very productive, good and decent people and are an asset to society.

To simply dismiss Marilea's worth or her future is cruel, imo. Many abused children go onto being great children's advocates. Why must you predict what you don't even know? I truly don't understand it.

You have no idea if she identified with the abusers or not.

She had a right to life.......Cody did not have a right to make her choices for her.

She was told to spy on Cody well frankly if I had a kid that had been caught smoking pot, drinking, having oral sex at 14 and if I had another child that went to the same school ...you betcha......I would tell them to let me know if they were still up to their old tricks and hanging out with potheads.

I don't agree. Cody was very clear why he killed his sister and before he lawyered up he said that he and Marilea got a long.

Marilea has been offered up as some sacrificial lamb for Cody Posey when there is no excuse for what he did..none, imo. Eliminating a witness because they just happened to witness murder is cold blooded first degree murder even the jury did not buy Cody's tales about Marilea.

IMO

Ocean

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

There are many, many, many children in abusive situations that do whatever they have to ........to SURVIVE......they go onto to be very productive, good and decent people and are an asset to society.

To simply dismiss Marilea's worth or her future is cruel, imo. Many abused children go onto being great children's advocates. Why must you predict what you don't even know? I truly don't understand it.

You have no idea if she identified with the abusers or not.

She had a right to life.......Cody did not have a right to make her choices for her.

She was told to spy on Cody well frankly if I had a kid that had been caught smoking pot, drinking, having oral sex at 14 and if I had another child that went to the same school ...you betcha......I would tell them to let me know if they were still up to their old tricks and hanging out with potheads.

I don't agree. Cody was very clear why he killed his sister and before he lawyered up he said that he and Marilea got a long.

Marilea has been offered up as some sacrificial lamb for Cody Posey when there is no excuse for what he did..none, imo. Eliminating a witness because they just happened to witness murder is cold blooded first degree murder even the jury did not buy Cody's tales about Marilea.

IMO

Ocean

I am trying to point out that viewing the children as demons or a saints in this case is useless. Especially in light of the horrednous activity of the adults involved. All of them. rom the father to the stepmother to ranch hands to the teachers to the distrit attorney to child protective services. This was a crime that would not have occured if any ONE of these adults acted in a repsonsible manner. And I have no illusions as to the casual cruelty of children. The fact that the Poseys have felt the need to state that Cody was evil child as a BABY proves to me that these people knew about the abuse and have lied about it on the stand.

And if the worst Cody did prior to this explosive meltdown was ocasionally smoke pot, experiment with beer/alcohol with his friends and goof off with his girlfriend (gasp!), then hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of parents should lock their bedroom doors every night when they go to sleep.

For this boy to be a psychopath like the state is claiming there would have been some earlier signs, like extreme conduct disorders in school like fights every day, bullying, stealing cars, torturing animals, fire-setting, breaking into houses, etc. But it's simply not there.

And nobody has been able to explain away the vile kiddie/incest porn on the father's computer as belonging to anyone but the elder Poseys.

Cody Posey was a weapon built by, primed, loaded, cocked and aimed by his father. But at numerous point s in this boy's life that happened could have been prevented by the simple intervention of other adults. But it did not.

The boy should do time for his crimes, but he shouldn't be locked away for his entire life, nor should he be tossed into adult prison while still a child to be systematically raped and beaten.

 

[concernedperson]

Most of the talking heads are saying PTSD. I agree.This boy never had a chance.I am not willing to sacrifice a human when all indications that he was abused from birth. As an observer and a person who has never committed a crime (MAYBE SPEEDING)I see it differently. I am almost never in the defense
column. Two cases, Cody Posey and Andrea Yates. That is it. I also support the death penalty.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am trying to point out that viewing the children as demons or a saints in this case is useless. Especially in light of the horrendous activity of the adults involved. All of them. rom the father to the stepmother to ranch hands to the teachers to the distrait attorney to child protective services. This was a crime that would not have occurred if any ONE of these adults acted in a responsible manner. And I have no illusions as to the casual cruelty of children. The fact that the Poseys have felt the need to state that Cody was evil child as a BABY proves to me that these people knew about the abuse and have lied about it on the stand.

And if the worst Cody did prior to this explosive meltdown was occasionally smoke pot, experiment with beer/alcohol with his friends and goof off with his girlfriend (gasp!), then hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of parents should lock their bedroom doors every night when they go to sleep.

For this boy to be a psychopath like the state is claiming there would have been some earlier signs, like extreme conduct disorders in school like fights every day, bullying, stealing cars, torturing animals, fire-setting, breaking into houses, etc. But it's simply not there.

And nobody has been able to explain away the vile kiddie/incest porn on the father's computer as belonging to anyone but the elder Poseys.

Cody Posey was a weapon built by, primed, loaded, cocked and aimed by his father. But at numerous point s in this boy's life that happened could have been prevented by the simple intervention of other adults. But it did not.

The boy should do time for his crimes, but he shouldn't be locked away for his entire life, nor should he be tossed into adult prison while still a child to be systematically raped and beaten.

I have never once advocated for Cody to go to prison for life but accountability for 1st Degree Murder imo is not punishable by a small amount of time as if the crime or the death of the victim was insignificant.

Cody isn't the only child that has to go into an adult prison for the crimes they commit where do we draw the line? The stark truth here is there are three murders and four other charges we aren't talking about petty juvie behavior but as horrendous as it gets. The ultimate act of violence is First Degree Homicide. THAT is why Cody possibly faces adult prison time because of the laws that he broke. All juveniles are subjected to the things you mention and adult inmates are too. Do we let the hard care criminal simply go free in a couple of years when they have risen to this level? It seems we have an epidemic of teenagers killing their families off.....they put themselves in harms way because of their evil decisions not the judicial system who must uphold their laws and punish them according to their crimes.

I do not agree about the psychopathy of Cody Posey many a psychopath spends a lot of their years cloaked behind their mask ..they are great manipulaters. They reveal what they want you to see and they always portray themselves as the victim when cornered. I believe SP is one yet he was known by all as so wonderful, normal, respectful as he wore his mask so well. Many psychopaths have no criminal history at all.

I also do not agree with the smoking pot, drinking and having sex at 14 not being a big issue. IMO every parent that truly loved their child and cared about the best interest of their child would never ever approve of such behavior. A parent must not lower their standards and say when they learn of this behavior "oh is that all?".

I don't want you to think I don't respect your opinion because I certainly do but I just do not see this case as you and others do..I think a lot of it has been sensationalized and overblown. JMO of course.

IMO

Ocean

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

I have never once advocated for Cody to go to prison for life but accountability for 1st Degree Murder imo is not punishable by a small amount of time as if the crime or the death of the victim was insignificant.

Cody isn't the only child that has to go into an adult prison for the crimes they commit where do we draw the line? The stark truth here is there are three murders and four other charges we aren't talking about petty juvie behavior but as horrendous as it gets. The ultimate act of violence is First Degree Homicide. THAT is why Cody possibly faces adult prison time because of the laws that he broke. All juveniles are subjected to the things you mention and adult inmates are too. Do we let the hard care criminal simply go free in a couple of years when they have risen to this level? It seems we have an epidemic of teenagers killing their families off.....they put themselves in harms way because of their evil decisions not the judicial system who must uphold their laws and punish them according to their crimes.

I do not agree about the psychopathy of Cody Posey many a psychopath spends a lot of their years cloaked behind their mask ..they are great manipulaters. They reveal what they want you to see and they always portray themselves as the victim when cornered. I believe SP is one yet he was known by all as so wonderful, normal, respectful as he wore his mask so well. Many psychopaths have no criminal history at all.

I also do not agree with the smoking pot, drinking and having sex at 14 not being a big issue. IMO every parent that truly loved their child and cared about the best interest of their child would never ever approve of such behavior. A parent must not lower their standards and say when they learn of this behavior "oh is that all?".

I don't want you to think I don't respect your opinion because I certainly do but I just do not see this case as you and others do..I think a lot of it has been sensationalized and overblown. JMO of course.

IMO

Ocean

I grew up in a area as rural (but not as remote) as where Cody's from. From the 1950s on there was nothing for anyone over the age of 12 and under the age of 21 to do. To amuse yourself you could either:
1) go to church, go to school, drive in circles in the soybean fields
2) have sex, experiment with drugs/alcohol, drive in circles in the soy bean field.
3) go to church, go to school, have sex, experiment with drugs/alcohol/drive in circles in the soy bean field.

If Cody had been a huffer, took meth/ice, or was screwed up on Special K or PCP, I would have a different attitude towards his situation. AS it is, the alcoholism on his father's side and his mother's drug use speaks to a addictive gene that needs to be treated.
As it is, it's not even terribly clear if he has actually had sex with anything besides his own right hand, since he seems to have confused french kissing with oral sex. (Don't laugh--I remember my sister telling me at 15 she thought oral sex meant talking dirty.)
I've had friends who did time and reltives who haave worked as guards, so I put their eye-wittness testimony above that of anything else I read or hear, so I have no illusions as to how ugly it can be and can get in the prison system re underage inmates.
It just baffles/irks me at how the D.A.'s office has handled this case, especially in its rather bizarre attempt to ignore/invalidate a fairly well-documented history of egregious child abuse. This should have been pleaded in chambers once the facts of the case started making themselves clear.

 

[SewingDeb]

Any word on the sentencing?

 

[13th Juror]

Any word on the sentencing?

Judge Counts has passed a sentence of:

No adult sentence - NO ADULT prison time!

State has failed to carry it's burden of proof.

Judge is still speaking.

Rehab possible through Juvenile system.

Cody committed to Youth & families Juvie detention & treatment center until age 21 - Sequoia. (MAX of 5 years)

HOORAY 4 Cody!!! He deserved a break! :woohoo: I'm thrilled for him!

13th Juror

 

[bugs]

Now that is Justice!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[13th Juror]

Now that is Justice!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Oh, I so agree, Bugs!!!

God Bless Judge Counts - big time!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :woohoo:

13th Juror

 

[MrsMush99]

I just got home and saw that he was sentenced. I have to say I am relieved. He has suffered too much in his life.

 

[Greywing]

Now that is Justice!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

1000% agree ... he will get the help he needs & will carry the burden of knowing what he did and that it was a crime. I hope Cody does get all of the counseling he needs and makes a good life for himself - free of violence and crime.

 

[Lili]

God Bless Cody! Thank you Judge Counts and Gary Mitchell, and may God bless you and all the other people who have stood up for Cody.

This trial has brought child abuse to the headlines and I hope this will encourage others who witness or suspect abuse to report it to authorities and follow up on it!

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Ron Kuby (who used to be my around-the-corner neighbor back in NYC, when he was working for William Kunstler) stated that the slickest move was made by Marshall, who had Cody cop a plea to one of the fights in detention, which resulted in him being sentenced to Sequoiah for treatment for the next 5 months. So when the state was getting up there running its mouth about the boy being unsalvagable & unamenable to treatment, they were able to put state employees who they routinely use in evaluations to get up there and say that Cody was responding to treatment and was not a future threat. Brilliant!

The judge showed a great deal more intelligence and humanity than the DA's office when it came to handling this case. I was particularly struck by how Cody admitted he had never known the emotions he was now feeling and was struggling to learn how to express himself so he coul become part of regular people, and that he never realized how many people were out there pulling for him and cared about him. He also stated that he would be haunted by what he had done all his life, and that he actually missed his family. I can understand that. In some ways, the rage he felt towards them at that moment had to be comprised not only of self-preservation, but frustration/anger at how they insisted on being dysfunctional. All this boy ever wanted was a family where he felt like he was wanted, cared for, and where he belonged.

Also, I noticed something about the pcitures they showed of Marilea--how the ones towards the end of her life show her dressing like and wearing her hair identically to her mother, which kind of gave me the creeps.

 

[vanillasky]

I was thrilled to get home from work today and see the news on CTV. I'm so glad he was shown compassion by the judge and will have the opportunity to rebuild his life.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Whew, I am back home...finally! I was over at CTV ...rough crowd, I was even banned...TWICE!:innocent:



Ocean/ Jaded was an awesome poster over there!

It's nice to be back

 

[Sniffy38]

I was so happy to hear that Cody is being given a chance to make something of his life. For the first time ever, he has seen that he is loved and that total strangers deeply care for him. It's just so tragic that it took these events for him to finally be where he can get the help that he needs. I truly see a bright future ahead for him.

Gary Mitchell is a real hero!

 

[Linda7NJ]

I was so happy to hear that Cody is being given a chance to make something of his life. For the first time ever, he has seen that he is loved and that total strangers deeply care for him. It's just so tragic that it took these events for him to finally be where he can get the help that he needs. I truly see a bright future ahead for him.

Gary Mitchell is a real hero!

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