NM - West Mesa Murders (2003-05)

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I don't think there will be any DNA due to the amount of time the bodies have been there. It sounds like it is just bones and much of them have been scattered.

Yes, that is probably correct. In fact, I think that has been discussed b4. I just keep hoping that maybe forensics will find something under the nailbeds or on the clothing.......... but, time and the elements will prove to be a hindrance.

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Sorry I found it. Great article with a great list to refer to.

http://crimeshadowsnews.com/main/2009/03/02/realm-of-darkness-the-missing-and-the-dead/

Below is a list of women who have disappeared from the Albuquerque area since 2001:
Darlene Marie Trujillo missing since July 2001
Sonia Bernadette Lente missing since October 2002 <---
Monica Diana Candelarie missing since May 2003
Brenda Jeen Apalicio missing since May 2003
Christine Julian missing since April 2003
Doreen Marquez missing since October 2003
Anselma Guerra missing since 2004
Veronica Romero missing since 2004
Virginia Ann Cloven missing since April 2004
Evelyn Jesus-Maria Salazar missing since March 2004
Jamie Caterina Barela missing since March 2004
Julie Cyndie Nieto missing since July 15, 2004
Cinnamon Elks missing since August 2004
Felipa Gonzales missing since 2005
Anna Vigil missing since January 2005
Nina Herron missing since May 2005
Shawntell Waites missing since 2006
Leah Rachel Peebles missing since May 2006
Brittney Jaramillo missing since October 2007

Not sure why Victoria Ann Chavez or Michelle Gina Valdez were not on this list. I know some of the more recent Missing may not be part of the group, but wanted to include all of them from the article.

http://www.koat.com/news/18884046/detail.html

....At the time, Candelaria's family said it did everything in its power to find her. It even searched on the West Mesa.

"Somebody had mentioned to the family she might be up there; they might have murdered her and she might be up there," Romero said

So again, we have information that the family was told the missing person was murdered (similar to Cinnamon Elk's case with the phone calls). The question is who told them? Who are "they"? Was it a friend that knows something? Was someone bragging about the events?

Sorry to be the lone poster here on this thread, but I think I have become obsessed with this case.

Hi Me Again

Take a look at some of the comments posted at the end of this article by Just Me. Keep in mind, those comments were made prior to Michelle and Cinnamon being found.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/kob-new-mexico/TMGFEQGK53DMEM4UG

Interesting comments. I hope that person has gone to LE.

It also seems like someone was trying to tell the families something for awhile.

Someone mentioned that a 'Just Me' was commenting in this story on Topix:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/kob-new-mexico/TMGFEQGK53DMEM4UG


Here's one of his/her posts from Wednesday February 18th, 2009:

Just Me wrote - "I do know these individuals and others that may have info, I would perfer not to email cause it then makes me known. I will share my info with other law enforcement officers. I also suspect that one of the other individuals burried will be identified as a Sonya (don't recall last name but will research it). Give me anoter way to contact you without me being exposed. This is honest info as I know it and I believe it to be creditable."

** There is a Sonia Bernadette Lente missing and included in the list posted above by Ella's Mom. If the person was writing this from a compiled list or news story... it seems they would have spelled her name correctly **

Perhaps he/she heard someone else state the name and simply spelled it based on how it sounded.

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Don't know if anyone noted this, so thought I'd chime in. It appears there is someone out there who knows what happened to many of these women. If Montoya was responsible for these deaths, what is the likelihood he told someone else? Why would that person still be afraid to come forward since Montoya (and the pimp... assuming he murdered them) are dead?

It seems someone could obtain the IP address of 'Just Me' and ask them to spill their guts concerning these women.
 
Sorry I found it. Great article with a great list to refer to.

http://crimeshadowsnews.com/main/2009/03/02/realm-of-darkness-the-missing-and-the-dead/

Below is a list of women who have disappeared from the Albuquerque area since 2001:
Darlene Marie Trujillo missing since July 2001
Sonia Bernadette Lente missing since October 2002
Monica Diana Candelarie missing since May 2003
Brenda Jeen Apalicio missing since May 2003
Christine Julian missing since April 2003
Doreen Marquez missing since October 2003
Anselma Guerra missing since 2004
Veronica Romero missing since 2004
Virginia Ann Cloven missing since April 2004
Evelyn Jesus-Maria Salazar missing since March 2004
Jamie Caterina Barela missing since March 2004
Julie Cyndie Nieto missing since July 15, 2004
Cinnamon Elks missing since August 2004
Felipa Gonzales missing since 2005
Anna Vigil missing since January 2005
Nina Herron missing since May 2005
Shawntell Waites missing since 2006
Leah Rachel Peebles missing since May 2006
Brittney Jaramillo missing since October 2007

Not sure why Victoria Ann Chavez or Michelle Gina Valdez were not on this list. I know some of the more recent Missing may not be part of the group, but wanted to include all of them from the article.
If Brittney Jaramillo is among the deceased then that rules out Montoya since he was killed in December 2006.
 
http://www.koat.com/news/18884046/detail.html

....At the time, Candelaria's family said it did everything in its power to find her. It even searched on the West Mesa.

"Somebody had mentioned to the family she might be up there; they might have murdered her and she might be up there," Romero said

So again, we have information that the family was told the missing person was murdered (similar to Cinnamon Elk's case with the phone calls). The question is who told them? Who are "they"? Was it a friend that knows something? Was someone bragging about the events?

Sorry to be the lone poster here on this thread, but I think I have become obsessed with this case.
More importantly, how did they know the families numbers to call in the first place?
 
Okay, I know people are following what "just me" from Albuquerque is saying but i find what this poster has to say equally curious.
say, auntie, no say, this is pure crimminal, you or anyone else is not a good opponent or foe or the answers to the the problem. This is real, the deal, you or me could be cut down within moments of making a phone-call or asking USA citizen for help. Don't go there!
Their isp shows they're originating from Cedar Crest, which is east of Albuquerque, in the Sandia Mountain's Tijeras Canyon area. That area is at least a half hour drive from Albuquerque. In any event, I cannot help but to wonder if this "skinwalker" individual knows as much, if not more than "just me" from Albuquerque. Regardless of how you look at it, and in context of those topix posts, it sure is starting to sound like the killings were the result of some sort of organized crime ring as opposed to a lone serial killer. Btw, and as an aside, I found their choice of nyms intriguing as well. Very few, outside of Native Americans, know what a skinwalker is.
 
Okay, I know people are following what "just me" from Albuquerque is saying but i find what this poster has to say equally curious.

Their isp shows they're originating from Cedar Crest, which is east of Albuquerque, in the Sandia Mountain's Tijeras Canyon area. That area is at least a half hour drive from Albuquerque. In any event, I cannot help but to wonder if this "skinwalker" individual knows as much, if not more than "just me" from Albuquerque. Regardless of how you look at it, and in context of those topix posts, it sure is starting to sound like the killings were the result of some sort of organized crime ring as opposed to a lone serial killer. Btw, and as an aside, I found their choice of nyms intriguing as well. Very few, outside of Native Americans, know what a skinwalker is.

I thought the same thing.

He/she was getting awfully aggressive toward 'Aunt M'. He/she shows up in other discussion on Topix concerning this subject: http://www.topix.net/forum/source/kob-new-mexico/TJVLCLANV1ROAB9HT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin-walker
 
** There is a Sonia Bernadette Lente missing and included in the list posted above by Ella's Mom. If the person was writing this from a compiled list or news story... it seems they would have spelled her name correctly **

Perhaps he/she heard someone else state the name and simply spelled it based on how it sounded.

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Good catch Bud. I missed that.
 
Hmmm, interesting. From my read, "Just Me" must be a UNMH employee to know that "Cinammon Elks was very badly beaten." Additionally, this skinwalker appears to be a psychatric nurse at the Bernalillo County Jail who has an extremely low opinion of the APD. With this in mind, I am guessing both of these individuals may very well have come in contact with the victims. And based upon skinwalker's comments regarding Montoya, who wants to bet that they think there's some sort coverup (i.e., LE pointing to two dead people as the most likely suspects)? Which would be congruent with this skinwalker's view that a simple phone call could get people killed.
 
Okay, I know people are following what "just me" from Albuquerque is saying but i find what this poster has to say equally curious.

Their isp shows they're originating from Cedar Crest, which is east of Albuquerque, in the Sandia Mountain's Tijeras Canyon area. That area is at least a half hour drive from Albuquerque. In any event, I cannot help but to wonder if this "skinwalker" individual knows as much, if not more than "just me" from Albuquerque. Regardless of how you look at it, and in context of those topix posts, it sure is starting to sound like the killings were the result of some sort of organized crime ring as opposed to a lone serial killer. Btw, and as an aside, I found their choice of nyms intriguing as well. Very few, outside of Native Americans, know what a skinwalker is.

I am with you. Lorenzo is off my list for these crimes. I am leaning toward pimps/gangs/LE. Too many people seem to know something and are scared to death to talk.
 
Okay, I know people are following what "just me" from Albuquerque is saying but i find what this poster has to say equally curious.

Their isp shows they're originating from Cedar Crest, which is east of Albuquerque, in the Sandia Mountain's Tijeras Canyon area. That area is at least a half hour drive from Albuquerque. In any event, I cannot help but to wonder if this "skinwalker" individual knows as much, if not more than "just me" from Albuquerque. Regardless of how you look at it, and in context of those topix posts, it sure is starting to sound like the killings were the result of some sort of organized crime ring as opposed to a lone serial killer. Btw, and as an aside, I found their choice of nyms intriguing as well. Very few, outside of Native Americans, know what a skinwalker is.[/QUOTE]

Forgive me, please, for butting in here, but many people know what a skinwalker is, general public included since the book about Skinwalker Ranch. Also, there is a LARGE paranormal culture out there, the same as a true crime culture here. Actually, now that I think back, Castanada introduced the subject many long moons ago.

Edited to add: Sometimes, not saying here, but crime and paranormal often go hand in hand. Remember all those bodies back a few years ago, near Mexico border, that had been chopped up, and boiled in a supernatural rite? Sorry, can't remember the name right now or all the details, but this sort of thing may be more prevelant than people are willing to understand. Don't mind me, sometimes I see a dogman behind every tree - especially if you live in Wisconsin.
 
Such interesting posts in the last few hours. I'll be reading for a while. There was also mention of "cubans" in those posts by locals. A gang? I haven't sorted through or filtered through all of the posts yet, here and there.

I agree, that there very well could be a coverup. It could be co-incedental that the POI that LE had named is deceased, but it "feels" to convienent.
 
Forgive me, please, for butting in here, but many people know what a skinwalker is, general public included since the book about Skinwalker Ranch. Also, there is a LARGE paranormal culture out there, the same as a true crime culture here. Actually, now that I think back, Castanada introduced the subject many long moons ago.
Call me naive, but I had no idea what a "skinwalker" was and was thankful for Bud providing the definition. I am intrigued now. I think I will need to look at the book now.
 
Call me naive, but I had no idea what a "skinwalker" was and was thankful for Bud providing the definition. I am intrigued now. I think I will need to look at the book now.

I didn't know what skinwalker meant either. Perhaps it would be better known in that particular region. It would be understandable that it might be well known in that region given the demographics.

Interesting choice for a screenname. Just interesting though, I don't read anything into it.

I have never read any of Castaneda's books. Although I have met many that have, paranormal is not something that I find interesting. But that's just me. I never have given the legend of the Chupa Cabra much deep thought either.
 
Is it just me, or does it seem like this topic should be moved from "Crimes in the News"? This is not about a crime that was just committed. In my opinion this is about 16 women that have been missing for many years and now the possibility of identiying them. Sooo....shouldn't this either be in the Missing/Located Discussion forum or the Unidentified forum? I also think we may get a little more participation if it is moved.

Personally, I very rarely look at the "Crimes in the News" section. I spend all of my time in the Missing section. I found this topic when I was looking at Jessie's (Foster) case. I remained on this topic, because I have always followed the missing women from New Mexico.

JMO, of course.
 
Yes she was a very pretty girl. None of the girls deserved to be murdered and tossed out on the Mesa like that. Prayers of healing and hope for their families.
 
Remember all those bodies back a few years ago, near Mexico border, that had been chopped up, and boiled in a supernatural rite? Sorry, can't remember the name right now or all the details
Are you talking about the case of Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo of Matamoros, Mexico, the "drug lord" of a small drug operation and practitioner of Palo Mayobme, who boiled his victims' remains in a Nanga? If so, crime library has an article that goes into the specifics of that case (click here), which would not have been solved, had his drug runners not kidnapped then University of Texas student, Mark Kilroy.
 
I'm a bit surprised that people aren't more interested in a case that involves at least 13 victims, and I worry that it's because they read "involved in drugs and prostitution" and just shrug as if it makes it all right. I mean, 13 victims is HUGE. It's a serial killer, it's a massacre. But who cares if the victims are drug abusing prostitutes?

Their loved ones, for one. We've heard from mothers, sisters, cousins and children who are just as much grieved and upset as if the victims had been college girls with a bright future in law school ahead of them.
 
Call me naive, but I had no idea what a "skinwalker" was and was thankful for Bud providing the definition. I am intrigued now. I think I will need to look at the book now.

I didn't know what skinwalker meant either. Perhaps it would be better known in that particular region. It would be understandable that it might be well known in that region given the demographics.

Interesting choice for a screenname. Just interesting though, I don't read anything into it.

I have never read any of Castaneda's books. Although I have met many that have, paranormal is not something that I find interesting. But that's just me. I never have given the legend of the Chupa Cabra much deep thought either.

I, too had never heard the term... skinwalker. I'd always heard the term shapeshifter.
 
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