NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#26

[spratsmum]

Gee I would be cranky if I was the friend who lent him the car that he deliberately crashed!

 

[Aussie_expat.sg]

I think Marly posted a link back a few posts.

thanks Mani, but it was a link to a Channel 10 news video, and my country won't let me view it - restricted

 

[Trooper]

one frustrated overseas chick here who can't get access to Channel Ten (won't allow it in my country). So if you can summarise for me, I would be really happy! Or is there somewhere else where they have a list of all the debt? I can just imagine how desperate he was getting in those final days. I was married to a gambler and the increased desperation that comes from fear of being found out causes people to get increasingly reckless.

to AU expat...

$275.000.00 in 'gentlemans agreements'.. this is a load without collateral or legal verification. done on a handshake. ( they can kiss this goodbye)

$200.000.00 to J Frost.. this would be JOcelyn Frost, a former partner in Gerards franchise.

$90.000.00 to B Bassingthwaighte... this would be Ben Bassingthwaite, a former partner/ director of Gerards franchise. manager of rental properties.


$75,000.00 to the CEO of century 21.. that would be Charles Tarbey.

$58.000.00 to Nige and Elaine, his parents.. unsecured or not, I do not know. probably not. they can kiss it goodbye, too.

$15,000.00 to Century 21 in Franchise fees unpaid...

$45,000.00 in credit card debt...

 

[Watsonian Institute]

I love this...its like a hybrid of Hawkins and Watsonian Institute. I mean no disrespect of course Wakeskate...if fact I havent even checked if we HAVE a Watkins! either way...Im a fan!

This is a cut and paste of my previous post, in relation to wakeskate's query regarding defamation:

Here is a link ... : no offence intended.
http://www.qpilch.org.au/resources/factsheets/Defamation.htm

Information is a news organisation's trade, so they're extremely knowledgeable about this particular area. News organisations have highly efficient lawyers to advise in these matters. Furthermore, journalists also study media law as part of their education, so they are aware of their reporting requirements. This is a link to an academic paper written by a media law expert, which outlines some approaches to teaching media law to journalists, but if it's of no interest, just disregard it: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journal...ev/1995/3.html

This is one outlining issues in layperson's terms: http://www.upstart.net.au/2012/01/13...ory-defendant/

Writers such as amateur bloggers, people who post on forums, and people who use social media do not have the same resources at their disposal as news organisations, even though they are subject to the same laws: http://journlaw.com/2011/08/16/why-t...morcombe-case/

 

[bearbear]

one frustrated overseas chick here who can't get access to Channel Ten (won't allow it in my country). So if you can summarise for me, I would be really happy! Or is there somewhere else where they have a list of all the debt? I can just imagine how desperate he was getting in those final days. I was married to a gambler and the increased desperation that comes from fear of being found out causes people to get increasingly reckless.

copied from channel 10......
$275,000 3 gentlemens agreements
$200,000 j frost
$90,000 b bassingthwaighte
$75,000 ceo century 21 aust
$58,000 parents
$15,000 franchise fees century 21 aust
$45,000 credit card debt

 

[pickle99]

Channel 7 news youtube clip suitable for OS

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR_9CnzVl-U&feature=plcp"]Baden-Clay denied bail - YouTube[/ame]

I am frustrated too, news sites dont work here, it just says content not available in your region....still looking for channel 10

 

[minni]

to AU expat...

$275.000.00 in 'gentlemans agreements'.. this is a load without collateral or legal verification. done on a handshake. ( they can kiss this goodbye)

$200.000.00 to J Frost.. this would be JOcelyn Frost, a former partner in Gerards franchise.

$90.000.00 to B Bassingthwaighte... this would be Ben Bassingthwaite, a former partner/ director of Gerards franchise. manager of rental properties.


$75,000.00 to the CEO of century 21.. that would be Charles Tarbey.

$58.000.00 to Nige and Elaine, his parents.. unsecured or not, I do not know. probably not. they can kiss it goodbye, too.

$15,000.00 to Century 21 in Franchise fees unpaid...

$45,000.00 in credit card debt...

Holy Batmobile

 

[amandaton1]

ok been trying to post a screen shot of the breakdown Channel 10 showed re the money, wont let me, so here is what it showed:
$275,000 in 3 Gentlemen agreements
$200,000 to J Frost
$ 90,000 to B Bassingthwaite
$ 75,000 to CEO of Century 21 Australasia
$ 58,000 to his parents
$ 15,000 Franchise fees to Century 21
$ 45,000 Credit card debt....

 

[Rational]

Crown prosecutor Danny Boyle said while the evidence against Baden-Clay was largely circumstantial, the combination of circumstances surrounding the case was compelling.

My partner can't understand how he didn't get bail just over the flight risk. My partner said if he had a passport he wouldn't be allowed to use it.

Also he can't understand why the news reports say
Defence counsel Peter Davis SC said the case against Baden-Clay was entirely circumstantial.

A post-mortem examination of Allison Baden-Clay's body revealed no external injuries except a chipped tooth, Mr Davis said.

"There is no evidence of the cause of death, there is no real evidence of the geographic location of the death, and there is not evidence that places my client at the bridge (near where Allison's body was found)," he told the court.

There was also no evidence of a weapon and no evidence that Baden-Clay had left home on the night of his wife's disappearance, he said.

So if they have none of that evidence my partner is wondering what they are using for evidence??

Dear Angel
To repeat the question Makara asked earlier 'what do you think?', or what are you telling your partner when he says that?

 

[minni]

copied from channel 10......
$275,000 3 gentlemens agreements
$200,000 j frost
$90,000 b bassingthwaighte
$75,000 ceo century 21 aust
$58,000 parents
$15,000 franchise fees century 21 aust
$45,000 credit card debt

why didn't you just claim bankruptcy, you pretentious prick??????? you've destroyed SO much in the blink of an eye... how I feel about you borders on hate

 

[amandaton1]

Trooper you beat me, thanks you did a better job

 

[pickle99]

Channel 10 report - you tube

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5wqvj9jjzA&feature=plcp"]Bail denied - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Makara]

Could this mean that it just wasn't presented at the bail hearing?? There were comments made indicating that the prosecution didn't have to present all their findings at the bail hearing. Maybe our 'court' posters can shed some light.

That's my understanding Detect. I'm under the impression that the prosecution did not have to reveal cause of death at the bail hearing, although I could be wrong.

A death certificate was issued and the cause of death would be listed on it unless it just states cause of death unknown. IMO we will learn the cause of death when the committal hearing gets under way next month.

MOO.

 

[Trooper]

why didn't you just claim bankruptcy, you pretentious prick??????? you've destroyed SO much in the blink of an eye... how I feel about you borders on hate

The facade is everything, Minni

 

[Rational]

ok been trying to post a screen shot of the breakdown Channel 10 showed re the money, wont let me, so here is what it showed:
$275,000 in 3 Gentlemen agreements
$200,000 to J Frost
$ 90,000 to B Bassingthwaite
$ 75,000 to CEO of Century 21 Australasia
$ 58,000 to his parents
$ 15,000 Franchise fees to Century 21
$ 45,000 Credit card debt....

And none of the above are any funds that maybe loaned from banks or financial institutions or 'borrowed' from trusts or other companies set up by him or in partnerships with others.

 

[Detect]

I also can't get over how swiftly he was demanding a death certificate to claim on the life insurance policy. Anyone with half a brain would wait. The creditors would have been compassionate and 'frozen' his debts allowing for some breathing space. So, unless he owed money to unsavoury lenders, I don't get why he was so hasty. :waitasec:

If I were him, I'd 'fess up now. Might save a whole lot of heartache, money, time and embarrassment for the BC pack. It's more than damning evidence, it's verging on stupidity just how sloppy he was and how in his fickle mind, he thought he could get away with it. Talking about Dumb & Dumber. :banghead:

Hard to see him fessing up, as I read somewhere earlier today that premeditated murder carries a Life Sentence. There's always a chance while you are pleading not-guilty, that your legal representatives will find some loophole, and I would imagine he would continue to hope this happens. I think he'll plead innocent till the day he dies. The only thing that might change this is if he tries to convince judge/jury that he acted in self-defence and then panicked and tried to hide the body. This could see the charge/plea changed to manslaughter. Hard to see that working with the premeditated links to insurance company phone calls, however there's always a chance. Wouldn't be the first time.

What will interest me now, is whether his Lawyer and barrister will stay with him when there is obviously not going to be enought money to pay them (IMO). Can't see too many people wanting to donate to O's fund.

:jail:

 

[Caviar]

Channel 10 report - you tube

Bail denied - YouTube

Thank you for this link as I missed the news.

So.......Police have confirmed the bomb threat WAS aimed at GBC case! WHY?

 

[Detect]

ok been trying to post a screen shot of the breakdown Channel 10 showed re the money, wont let me, so here is what it showed:
$275,000 in 3 Gentlemen agreements
$200,000 to J Frost
$ 90,000 to B Bassingthwaite
$ 75,000 to CEO of Century 21 Australasia
$ 58,000 to his parents
$ 15,000 Franchise fees to Century 21
$ 45,000 Credit card debt....

Then wait till his business gets wound up. Any bets on whether all his staff's super payments and tax payments have been remitted to the tax office. Operators of businesses in trouble quite commonly have been found to have neglected to make these payments.

:jail:

 

[Trooper]

I can imagine that these creditors will be very interested in the '$500.000.00' that Olivia claims they have as surety for his bail..

there will be a bit of peevishness among the 'gentlemen ' who entered so unwisely into a deal with Gerard.. not to mention Chucky Tarbeys fury to know that somewhere there is a cool $500.000.00 available..

and certainly, GE credit or whoever it was will be mighty curious as to how they can lay hands on their measly $45.000.00 out of the Surety money..

much clicking and clacking of calculators and whoever is first in will be best dressed..

 

[Keentoknow]

That's my understanding Detect. I'm under the impression that the prosecution did not have to reveal cause of death at the bail hearing, although I could be wrong.

A death certificate was issued and the cause of death would be listed on it unless it just states cause of death unknown. IMO we will learn the cause of death when the committal hearing gets under way next month.

MOO.

Last night when you left I borrowed your ball and it said this would happen. It's a good ball.
My tail is wagging. I said before that if Det Mark Ainsworth knocks on GBCs door he will not be there to say the rosay. I have faith in him.