NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#28

[RumourSquasher]

I have also wondered if TM was at the funeral? I'm sure this has been discussed and I can't recall, I'm sorry. Greg could probably answer this from memory?

TM was not there as far as I am aware. I was at the back and did not hang around after the service and was also with people who would have known if she planned on being there.

 

[willough]

I dont understand what all the coloured names are about and what "applicant and respondent" mean......This was on Facebook?....about what?

 

[Rational]

It will be interesting to see what it's about.

How is your partner holding up Angel and your computer??

 

[BJsleuth]

GBC probably couldn't have afforded the divorce because his share of the assets wouldn't have been enough to cover his debts and potentially could have forced him into bankruptcy. He wouldn't be able to be a RE agent anymore if he was bankrupt, that's the law. There are also legal fees associated if you have someone represent you in a divorce and that's without going to court. I know in my case, it cost nearly $10000 and that was just for consent orders as there was no property division or anything like that.

 

[Isabellnecessary]

He wrote in an email to TM that he could not afford to divorce Allison, but that he would ensure he and her are over by 1st July. I am just going off his words.

I agree, he just chose to kill her.....if one has nothing in the relationship, then one leaves with nothing.

I feel that he may have meant that he couldn't afford to hire a lawyer and to go through it all financially - though as you say, if there's nothing, then there's nothing... Given that was in the email to his lover, I wonder if he had told her about the debt he was in? I bet he was spinning the successful REA to her too...and so saying he could not afford to divorce his wife is just an excuse not to fully be with the lover ... Weird... Having the best of both worlds perhaps? MOO.

Ironically he's had to hire a lawyer now.

My ex didn't do a property settlement... I left with nothing because I wanted my sanity. A shame that A didn't just leave with her children and go live with her parents.

 

[nowvoyager]

Per Brissylass

The Affidavits marked the Applicant (x Y & z) woud be Affidavits sworn by friends/associates of GBC....Affidavits in his favour why else...
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Yes you are right. The court records the documents filed. The crown was the respondent, the prosecutor was reported to be referring to affidavit(s) filed on behalf of the police.

I don;t know if it's quite right to sleuth the GBC affidavit people? But sure they would have been lending support I guess to the contention of his ties with the community and his not being a flight risk.

As to those mentioning it before, once again, the July 9 date is a MENTION it won't be the committal HEARING. It's just that the Courts supervise the conduct of matters, especially criminal ones, to ensure that people are not kept unduly long waiting for their matters to be dealt with.

I doubt that either side will be ready for a while, so there may in fact be a couple of mention dates before the committal is actually set down. there is no need for GBC to make a plea or even appear at these hearings, it'll just be done in his absence in MOO as a formality that needs no input from him at the time.

At the actual committal hearing (unless GBC does plead guilty, which in MOO he is unlikely to do) then there will need to be a lot of information placed before the court, and witnesses called, it will mostly be a prosecution-run thing.

The defence are entitled to rebut that evidence or say that it is insufficient. A lot of it will just go to argument. At this stage, it will be at Magistrates court level, the trial, if the committal is for murder... or manslaughter... will be then sent to the Supreme court and they have a long waiting list

 

[BJsleuth]

I dont understand what all the coloured names are about and what "applicant and respondent" mean......This was on Facebook?....about what?

The coloured names are kind of "witnesses" if you will. In this case, it was the bail hearing and so the Applicant was GBC and those listed as "Applicant" would be there to support his bail application. The Respondent is the Crown in this instance.

 

[Rational]

A lot of people on here have been wondering why GBC's facebook friends haven't "unfriended " him. I think a LOT of these people are real estate agents or work in the industry. I also believe that some of these people are from SA. I know one of GBC's facebook friends and this person is from SA. Maybe they want to support him because they are from the same country and have similar backgrounds, which is fair enough.

Fair enough?? Being friends with someone who murders his wife for insurance money because he is so deep in the financial sh#t so he leaves 3 girls without parents, a mother and father without daughter, implicates and/or involves some others and probably ruin the lives of more children??? Sorry but the 'fair enough' really riled me.
All IMO etc

 

[willough]

I feel that he may have meant that he couldn't afford to hire a lawyer and to go through it all financially - though as you say, if there's nothing, then there's nothing... Given that was in the email to his lover, I wonder if he had told her about the debt he was in? I bet he was spinning the successful REA to her too...and so saying he could not afford to divorce his wife is just an excuse not to fully be with the lover ... Weird... Having the best of both worlds perhaps? MOO.

Ironically he's had to hire a lawyer now.

My ex didn't do a property settlement... I left with nothing because I wanted my sanity. A shame that A didn't just leave with her children and go live with her parents.

Yeah of course the lawyer costs.....and also the set up costs again. I know if I considered leaving my husband (which im not), I would need to consider rental, bond, furnishings (atleast some), money for bills, some set up of phone costs......It could quickly run into the thousands. Thousands, I just can ill afford. I could not afford to divorce my husband currently.

 

[willough]

The coloured names are kind of "witnesses" if you will. In this case, it was the bail hearing and so the Applicant was GBC and those listed as "Applicant" would be there to support his bail application. The Respondent is the Crown in this instance.

Thanks BJ, im not very savvy when it comes to the legal stuff xx

 

[Isabellnecessary]

GBC probably couldn't have afforded the divorce because his share of the assets wouldn't have been enough to cover his debts and potentially could have forced him into bankruptcy. He wouldn't be able to be a RE agent anymore if he was bankrupt, that's the law. There are also legal fees associated if you have someone represent you in a divorce and that's without going to court. I know in my case, it cost nearly $10000 and that was just for consent orders as there was no property division or anything like that.

That's right, so to avoid bankruptcy and keep doing what he's doing, he kills his wife... the 'better' option.

His entire divorce could have been done for free with court appointed mediators. You can self represent and mediate through the Family Relationships Centre... (FRC) a free service, so anything to do with the children would have been through that.

He wouldn't have needed consent orders as his mediation with the FRC would have created a Parenting Plan between him and his wife....

The law has been substantially changed in Aus in recent years to stop people taking others to court and so you have to have a certificate from the FRC to say that mediation has failed OR you have to have a history of domestic abuse which then excuses you from mediation in the FRC.

You can then go to court to get consent orders if mediation cannot work for you both... though if you then have a parenting plan in place later which you agree between yourselves, this makes the orders void.

The NSW government has Community Justice Centres or CJC's, which offer free mediation for property and family matters.

Neither of them had to spend any money to sort out this mess at all.

Bottom line, he needed the money.

 

[BJsleuth]

Fair enough?? Being friends with someone who murders his wife for insurance money because he is so deep in the financial sh#t so he leaves 3 girls without parents, a mother and father without daughter, implicates and/or involves some others and probably ruin the lives of more children??? Sorry but the 'fair enough' really riled me.
All IMO etc

I understand where you're coming from Rational. The husband of a friend of mine from primary school murdered a girl (who's brother was my nephew's best mate), she publicly supported him. She sent me a friend request last year, I couldn't accept it. I struggled with that thought. Had she not been all over the TV sprouting his innocence, maybe it would have been different. I feel sorry for her but given his past history and why they were moved from another state by a welfare charity group, surely she had to know what he was capable of and that he probably did do it.

 

[Nads]

I truly don't understand this. The way it works here is that a divorce is a no fault, 50 50 split of all the assets they have as a married couple.

i think saying to TM that he couldn't afford to get a divorce was just his way of pretending he still had assets and money, and Allison would get half of them.

I wonder how TM thought he was going to be free without getting a divorce then, after he said that?

 

[EllaN]

Fair enough?? Being friends with someone who murders his wife for insurance money because he is so deep in the financial sh#t so he leaves 3 girls without parents, a mother and father without daughter, implicates and/or involves some others and probably ruin the lives of more children??? Sorry but the 'fair enough' really riled me.
All IMO etc

I not going to argue, but if it is their decision to stay FB friend's with him I am going to respect that. Everyone has the right to make up their own mind about this case.

 

[CaseClosed]

Channel 10 News - Nothing yet about this case.

EDIT - Now they've said a fresh line of enquiry coming up after the break!

 

[BJsleuth]

That's right, so to avoid bankruptcy and keep doing what he's doing, he kills his wife... the 'better' option.

His entire divorce could have been done for free with court appointed mediators. You can self represent and mediate through the Family Relationships Centre... (FRC) a free service, so anything to do with the children would have been through that.

He wouldn't have needed consent orders as his mediation with the FRC would have created a Parenting Plan between him and his wife....

The law has been substantially changed in Aus in recent years to stop people taking others to court and so you have to have a certificate from the FRC to say that mediation has failed OR you have to have a history of domestic abuse which then excuses you from mediation in the FRC.

You can then go to court to get consent orders if mediation cannot work for you both... though if you then have a parenting plan in place later which you agree between yourselves, this makes the orders void.

The NSW government has Community Justice Centres or CJC's, which offer free mediation for property and family matters.

Neither of them had to spend any money to sort out this mess at all.

Bottom line, he needed the money.

Allegedly he googled pleading the fifth, so one would assume he wasn't savvy with Australian laws outside of real estate and he probably didn't know that it doesn't have to cost a lot for divorce?

 

[Timmy]

Coming up after the break on channel 10 news.

 

[angel1]

Channel 10 News - Nothing yet about this case.

it's on next

 

[marlywings]

Channel10 5pm news....fresh line in Baden Clay investigation coming up after ads...

 

[Nads]

Allegedly he googled pleading the fifth, so one would assume he wasn't savvy with Australian laws outside of real estate and he probably didn't know that it doesn't have to cost a lot for divorce?

I reckon he was stalling on leaving A by saying he couldn't afford a divorce, and at the same time pretending he still had some assets to halve.