NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#28

[CaseClosed]

OT, Breaking News, FYI every time I see a post from you and see "Breaking News" it makes my heart race!

I'm sure the journal would be an interesting find. I wonder if someone else may have drawn the map? either allison, or one of the girls? I often wonder what kind of relationship A & the girls had, especially the elder, were they very close/honest/open? or not? Maybe the girls were close w/TM? If it was TM that GBC was with @ the Brooky show, the girls looked very comfortable with her. Dunno if it was indeed her though... MOOO

What do you mean? :what: Was he there with a woman? I don't recall hearing this before. Did you see them yourself?

 

[Nads]

Curious: is "my bad" an Americanism, because it makes no linguistic sense.

Ir's common Australian language now too.

 

[Liadan]

So far we have been pretty aware of the movements of the elder BC's and GBC but have heard nothing about OW. What was she doing all day after the kids cross country. Was OW babysitting the 3 kids for ABC - maybe this is what ABC meant when she spoke to the hairdresser saying she had the night off.



And if OW was sleeping in GBC's house as well when ABC was being murdered. (She must have been a better sleeper than GBC if this is the case!)I can't fathom how she could be at GBC's house when ABC was murdered sometime that night and remain so pro BC.

Or was she staying at the EBC and NBC house. And maybe the phone call with face time was for her to answer because it was to the iPad and NBC had gone to bed by this stage I haven't had too much experience letting Facetime wake me up but that is just me.


So would have OW stayed to look after the kids with GBC all nite? Did she stay with GBC and did she go around that roundaboutand park at the bridge in her blue rental car?

If i was the QPS I would be examining the phone of Ms OW. Methinks she protests too much to be too honest in her dealings to date.

 

[Mothergoose]

If he pleads guilty there is no need for a trial. Only sentencing.

:waitasec:Would I be right in assuming that if he pleads guilty ,that evidence gathered against him would thereby NOT BE PRESENTED .Making the importance of the face call between GBC and NBC not relevant, thereby releasing NBC from any suspicion in the case ? :waitasec:

 

[willough]

A poster confirmed Allison was not at the cross country but she picked-up the kids at the end of it.

I wonder whether this means that Allison was leaving him....as in already told him, "That's it Gerard" and he had to do the AWFUL deed that night (like someone said earlier in the piece, it was intended to be done a month later, but had to be bought forward).

To me it seems that Olivia may have been at the cross country to support Gerard, incase he saw Allison and a blow up ensued. Instead Alison stayed away and came at the end to pick them up.

 

[BJsleuth]

So far we have been pretty aware of the movements of the elder BC's and GBC but have heard nothing about OW. What was she doing all day after the kids cross country. Was OW babysitting the 3 kids for ABC - maybe this is what ABC meant when she spoke to the hairdresser saying she had the night off.



And if OW was sleeping in GBC's house as well when ABC was being murdered. (She must have been a better sleeper than GBC if this is the case!)I can't fathom how she could be at GBC's house when ABC was murdered sometime that night and remain so pro BC.

Or was she staying at the EBC and NBC house. And maybe the phone call with face time was for her to answer because it was to the iPad and NBC had gone to bed by this stage I haven't had too much experience letting Facetime wake me up but that is just me.


So would have OW stayed to look after the kids with GBC all nite? Did she stay with GBC and did she go around that roundaboutand park at the bridge in her blue rental car?

If i was the QPS I would be examining the phone of Ms OW. Methinks she protests too much to be too honest in her dealings to date.

If she was present then it's within her interest to have him not guilty isn't it? If it's declared he didn't do it then she can't be an accessory?

 

[Curiousasacat]

OT, Breaking News, FYI every time I see a post from you and see "Breaking News" it makes my heart race!

I'm sure the journal would be an interesting find. I wonder if someone else may have drawn the map? either allison, or one of the girls? I often wonder what kind of relationship A & the girls had, especially the elder, were they very close/honest/open? or not? Maybe the girls were close w/TM? If it was TM that GBC was with @ the Brooky show, the girls looked very comfortable with her. Dunno if it was indeed her though... MOOO

Same re breaking news and Summer Breeze gets that song in my head all day :banghead:

Someone I know very well was at Allison's funeral. She was accompanying(as a helping hand and nothing else) an older "gossipy" lady who informed this person that they were sitting directly behind TM. TM was allegedly sitting quite far back in the church and the 3 girls acknowledged this lady with waves as did 3 boys in suits. The lady was seated between two other ladies and was apparently emotionless throughout the funeral(the person I know found this quite odd) This is all speculation as the person I know would not have a clue what TM looks like. Just passing on what I was told. The gossipy old lady though is quite involved in the local community of Ipswich. :moo:

 

[Firesnake]

So far we have been pretty aware of the movements of the elder BC's and GBC but have heard nothing about OW. What was she doing all day after the kids cross country. Was OW babysitting the 3 kids for ABC - maybe this is what ABC meant when she spoke to the hairdresser saying she had the night off.



And if OW was sleeping in GBC's house as well when ABC was being murdered. (She must have been a better sleeper than GBC if this is the case!)I can't fathom how she could be at GBC's house when ABC was murdered sometime that night and remain so pro BC.

Or was she staying at the EBC and NBC house. And maybe the phone call with face time was for her to answer because it was to the iPad and NBC had gone to bed by this stage I haven't had too much experience letting Facetime wake me up but that is just me.


So would have OW stayed to look after the kids with GBC all nite? Did she stay with GBC and did she go around that roundaboutand park at the bridge in her blue rental car?

If i was the QPS I would be examining the phone of Ms OW. Methinks she protests too much to be too honest in her dealings to date.

Thanks Liadan

This is what I have been trying to get at my last couple of posts. I couldn't seem to put it into the right words. Might have taken another 10 posts LOL.

 

[Opinionsgalore]

:waitasec:Would I be right in assuming that if he pleads guilty ,that evidence gathered against him would thereby NOT BE PRESENTED .Making the importance of the face call between GBC and NBC not relevant, thereby releasing NBC from any suspicion in the case ? :waitasec:

At the committal hearing the Prosecution presents their evidence, then the Magistrate decides if there's enough evidence for a trial THEN the accused makes plea.

If the accused pleads guilty before the committal.... Then I don't know, but I wouldn't imagine the police are in the practise of letting accomplices in murder walk away.

MOO

 

[squizzey1]

What do you mean? :what: Was he there with a woman? I don't recall hearing this before. Did you see them yourself?

my grandchildrens father said he saw GBC at the show with the girls and without company. not saying TM wasnt there but my informant said he was alone with the children

 

[Mothergoose]

I have a theory on this.. Degloving. It could just mean the hands weren't severed as part of the crime. It doesn't mean it didn't happen as part of natural processes post mortem. IMO

From what I have read on degloving...it is the skin and fingernails that come away from underlying tissue. Hence the term 'Degloving'.This can happen from day 10 onward from memory depending on the environment the body was in i.e. water etc.. The bone does not disconnect at the wrist. Only trauma can cause that at that stage of decomposition. I wrote about this quite a few threads ago. If what you are suggesting was correct a huge number of body recoveries would have no hands. IMO:what:

 

[CaseClosed]

:waitasec:Would I be right in assuming that if he pleads guilty ,that evidence gathered against him would thereby NOT BE PRESENTED .Making the importance of the face call between GBC and NBC not relevant, thereby releasing NBC from any suspicion in the case ? :waitasec:

I think most times pleas are negotiated before the actual hearing and the Judge is made aware of it. The prosecution must agree to him pleading guilty to a lesser charge (manslaughter) and it could well be that if this is the case, we will never hear any of the evidence.

For the sake of the 3 girls, I think I would prefer him to plead guilty to manslaughter and put an end to it then, rather than have a trial with all the horrible details published everywhere. These details would be available for the girls to read once they are older, but if he pleads guilty to manslaughter, then the girls will live with the believe that he didn't mean to kill her (which would be less damaging to them in the long run). With manslaughter he will still spend over a decade in prison. IMO.

 

[Bobbie Elliott]

Exactly.
For him to have got a caterpillar on his chest, I can imagine it could only have happened as he's in heavy undergrowth and one has got down his shirt. These things don't just crawl around everywhere, esp not in the world of the Real Estate office. They're usually on trees or bushes. I wonder when he could possibly have been in heavy undergrowth? :what:

In GBC's case, I think that the hairy caterpillar has been falsely accussed!!

 

[BJsleuth]

I don't know if this has already been raised but I saw there were lots of questions about NBC and EBC's home being searched a few days ago. I think this probably would have happened due to the evidence of the phone call between GBC and NBC at 12:30am on the night Alison disappeared only being discovered by QPS just before the bail application hearing.

 

[Nads]

Same re breaking news and Summer Breeze gets that song in my head all day

At the cricket day the singer said beforehand something to the effect that his highlight was going to be singing Summer Breeze. Not that I'm sleuthing anyone!

 

[Curiousasacat]

Whatever!! The lone media supporter.
WI- you might enjoy the Latin in this article???
Australia operates a common law legal system. A fundamental aspect is Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat - the presumption of innocence. The presumption of innocence is a FUNDAMENTAL aspect of our legal system. In other words, people who are charged with crimes, are innocent, until proven guilty. It is up to the DPP to prove beyond a reasonable doubt (and that legal hurdle is onerous) that Gerard Baden-Clay is guilty of murder.

http://kikiandtea.com/2012/06/gerard-baden-clay-innocent-until-proven-guilty/

 

[Nads]

I think most times pleas are negotiated before the actual hearing and the Judge is made aware of it. The prosecution must agree to him pleading guilty to a lesser charge (manslaughter) and it could well be that if this is the case, we will never hear any of the evidence.

For the sake of the 3 girls, I think I would prefer him to plead guilty to manslaughter and put an end to it then, rather than have a trial with all the horrible details published everywhere. These details would be available for the girls to read once they are older, but if he pleads guilty to manslaughter, then the girls will live with the believe that he didn't mean to kill her (which would be less damaging to them in the long run). With manslaughter he will still spend over a decade in prison. IMO.

Not sure the prosecution would agree, if they have lots of evidence that it was premeditated.

And not sure if G pleading guilty would let any accessories off the hook. It might be worse for them.

 

[squizzey1]

I don't know if this has already been raised but I saw there were lots of questions about NBC and EBC's home being searched a few days ago. I think this probably would have happened due to the evidence of the phone call between GBC and NBC at 12:30am on the night Alison disappeared only being discovered by QPS just before the bail application hearing.

that makes a lot of sense now.

 

[Curiousasacat]

Re the hospital stay -

Mr Baden-Clay is in hospital after reportedly suffering a breakdown.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Baden-Clay.htm

 

[BJsleuth]

From what I have read on degloving...it is the skin and fingernails that come away from underlying tissue. Hence the term 'Degloving'.This can happen from day 10 onward from memory depending on the environment the body was in i.e. water etc.. The bone does not disconnect at the wrist. Only trauma can cause that at that stage of decomposition. I wrote about this quite a few threads ago. If what you are suggesting was correct a huge number of body recoveries would have no hands. IMO:what:

In most cases, yes, it is only the fingers and nails affected but definately never the bones. My suggestion is only that this could have been where that rumour came from.