NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#28

[Sleuthilicious]

I think the culprit wanted it to lok like a suicide. She was depressed and went for a walk at night. She hitchhiked a ride out toward the direction of Kholo Creek.....and the person dropped her off. She walked aimlessly around, until she found this bridge and jumped. Only flaw, some say the height on the bridge isnt high enough to kill oneself.

Off topic....Those interested in Darcey Freeman....We drove over the bridge she was thrown off. It was the first time since she was murdered by her father....and it used to feel so wonderful going over that bridge....Both hubby and I agreed, it's just no fun anymore......We loved looking at the industrial aspect of Melbourne (I know weird). But we live in a beautiful rainforest like setting east of Melbourne and its nice to see the opposite sometimes. They have also put really high guard rails up so no-one can do this again and noone can kill themselves.....Its hard not to think of her as you go over

Off topic, we're not far off leaving our gorgeous tropical treehouse and moving to a rainforest area, east of Melbourne!!!

 

[Mothergoose]

I think most times pleas are negotiated before the actual hearing and the Judge is made aware of it. The prosecution must agree to him pleading guilty to a lesser charge (manslaughter) and it could well be that if this is the case, we will never hear any of the evidence.

For the sake of the 3 girls, I think I would prefer him to plead guilty to manslaughter and put an end to it then, rather than have a trial with all the horrible details published everywhere. These details would be available for the girls to read once they are older, but if he pleads guilty to manslaughter, then the girls will live with the believe that he didn't mean to kill her (which would be less damaging to them in the long run). With manslaughter he will still spend over a decade in prison. IMO.

I thought that was the case CC ...thanks. If the man has the slightest shred of conscience or decency I would think he would plead guilty before the committal hearing. I don't believe NBC was allegedly a willing participant.GBC
should fess up and spare further grief to everyone allegedly sucked in by him in this horrendous crime. IMO :maddening:

 

[Isabellnecessary]

I thought that was the case CC ...thanks. If the man has the slightest shred of conscience or decency I would think he would plead guilty before the committal hearing. I don't believe NBC was allegedly a willing participant.GBC
should fess up and spare further grief to everyone allegedly sucked in by him in this horrendous crime. IMO :maddening:

He has no conscience if he's a narcissist. Right now, everything he may have done will be justified actions in his own head. It can never be his fault.

 

[CaseClosed]

Not sure the prosecution would agree, if they have lots of evidence that it was premeditated.

And not sure if G pleading guilty would let any accessories off the hook. It might be worse for them.

Agree, however the prosecution has already acknowledged that the evidence is circumstantial and they also know they are going against a top Barrister. But, at this stage anything can happen at that hearing.

 

[Curiousasacat]

Just reposting something I posted a long time ago.
To me this seems like bad blood with perhaps an ex business partner?

The business partner now works for a competing real estate agency.


"In reality, however, such pressure has the opposite effect on some agents, reducing them to tactics and behaviour that compromise not only their own integrity but the integrity of the industry as a whole. If their behaviour didn’t affect me and the community in which I live and work, then I would have nothing to say about this. But it does directly affect me and it directly affects you. No names or pack drills here – I seek not to expose the offender but the practice, the practice being to erect For Sale signs on properties prior to any contract being signed. It is first and foremost illegal. It is secondly unethical. And it is finally reprehensible." Article continues......


http://liveweb.archive.org/http://ex...t-cricket.html

 

[BJsleuth]

I don't know about in QLD but here in a recent sentencing hearing where the accused plead guilty to murder, the evidence was presented to the court at that time for the purposes of demonstrating the heinous nature of the crime.

 

[Mothergoose]

At the committal hearing the Prosecution presents their evidence, then the Magistrate decides if there's enough evidence for a trial THEN the accused makes plea.

If the accused pleads guilty before the committal.... Then I don't know, but I wouldn't imagine the police are in the practise of letting accomplices in murder walk away.

MOO

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. I meant if he decided to plead guilty prior to the commital hearing. The question has been answered now so thanks.:rocker:

 

[Crime and punishment]

I am so hoping that Mr. Danny Boyle is a total ace prosecutor. And it is interesting that Davis didn't get his supression wish for their case. I am wondering what information the prosecution will present and how they will run their case. I wonder if the defense guys are trying to get GBC to plead guilty??????

I was just doing some detective work about the names on the list that was published from the other site. And noticed that the respondents were previous and perhaps work colleagues that would have probably had to give character representations for GBC - from memory I think you need to get people to write a spiel about how long you have known them and that they are good person etc.

These are listed below from what I can come up friends of GBC from FB and also old colleagues from the real estate cliche. The one in green I couldn't find any info on. The blue ones are respondents and would anyone have any idea what they would be responding to? (Maybe I have go this the wrong way round the respondent and applicant thing.)

8 21/06/2012 Affidavit PA NEGEREVICH Respondent
9 21/06/2012 Affidavit PJ RODDICK Respondent
10 21/06/2012 Affidavit PB CRANNA Applicant
11 21/06/2012 Affidavit TE CRANNA Applicant
12 21/06/2012 Affidavit IL THOMAS Applicant
13 21/06/2012 Affidavit P NEGEREVICH Respondent

The one you can't find might be Dr Ifor Thomas, a well respected and published doctor who is an Elder of the Baptist church Ashgrove. The very church GBC took his girls to while ABC was still missing. I Remember seeing pics of the girls coming out with balloons from Sunday School (pics were in MSM at the time).

 

[DunnoZo]

What do you mean? :what: Was he there with a woman? I don't recall hearing this before. Did you see them yourself?

I saw the whole kit & kaboodle one night, I think it was (Sat) @ the Brookfield Show, I coincidentally sat a few rows in front of the Dickies,in the stands who had the girls coming & going. Soon after, GBC came and sat quite a distance away, but enough to see the glare in Mrs. D's eye watching him. Mr. D just looked like he was in another sad sad world. GBC sat with a dark haired woman, and his elder daughter sat on his lap for a long time, looking quite comfortable in the situation. I have no idea who it was,it could have been his great aunt or the horse trainer for all I know. It was the day before TM 'came out", but I'm sure there are others who would have seen them. The only contact w/ the Dickies would have been for the sake of juggling the girls.

I by no means want to entice discussion up about the girls, and feel children deserve more credit than most people generally give them, and these 3 will know the real deal. all IMO by the way,

 

[possumheart]

Agree, however the prosecution has already acknowledged that the evidence is circumstantial and they also know they are going against a top Barrister. But, at this stage anything can happen at that hearing.

Well the once the committal is over, they are looking at jury driven judgement. So any evidence that can be held back from a jury will be what the hired help will be trying to identify at committal. This is where the defense earn their bucks.

 

[CaseClosed]

Whatever!! The lone media supporter.
WI- you might enjoy the Latin in this article???
Australia operates a common law legal system. A fundamental aspect is Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat - the presumption of innocence. The presumption of innocence is a FUNDAMENTAL aspect of our legal system. In other words, people who are charged with crimes, are innocent, until proven guilty. It is up to the DPP to prove beyond a reasonable doubt (and that legal hurdle is onerous) that Gerard Baden-Clay is guilty of murder.

http://kikiandtea.com/2012/06/gerard-baden-clay-innocent-until-proven-guilty/

Yeah, this was written the day after the arrest. I wonder what the comments would be now after the info released at the bail hearing.

 

[possumheart]

Well the once the committal is over, they are looking at jury driven judgement. So any evidence that can be held back from a jury will be what the hired help will be trying to identify at committal. This is where the defense earn their bucks.

Of course to will want Hawkins to validate this,but I have lived it

 

[willough]

Off topic, we're not far off leaving our gorgeous tropical treehouse and moving to a rainforest area, east of Melbourne!!!

Wanna swap?....giggles. I do like the sound of a tropical treehouse.


I dont think he will plead guilty....They seem to be absolutely adamant that he is innocent (olivia email etc). Imagine if he did plead guilty after all the money they were trying to juice out of friends and family.

 

[DunnoZo]

my grandchildrens father said he saw GBC at the show with the girls and without company. not saying TM wasnt there but my informant said he was alone with the children

hi squizz, welcome back! when I saw him in the evening,, he looked as though he had just arrived (back). looked around, spotted someone, then went to sit with her. a few min. later the eldest girl joined them.

 

[Mothergoose]

In most cases, yes, it is only the fingers and nails affected but definately never the bones. My suggestion is only that this could have been where that rumour came from.

I think the difference between a hand with no skin and a missing hand is quite dramatic.Degloving is a natural process of decomposition (hand still visible and intact) apart from skin and nails. A detached had is definitely not natural at this stage decomposition. Animal interference is of course another aspect.I think a lot of rumors start with vivid imaginations IMO

 

[Amee]

Whatever!! The lone media supporter.
WI- you might enjoy the Latin in this article???
Australia operates a common law legal system. A fundamental aspect is Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat - the presumption of innocence. The presumption of innocence is a FUNDAMENTAL aspect of our legal system. In other words, people who are charged with crimes, are innocent, until proven guilty. It is up to the DPP to prove beyond a reasonable doubt (and that legal hurdle is onerous) that Gerard Baden-Clay is guilty of murder.

http://kikiandtea.com/2012/06/gerard-baden-clay-innocent-until-proven-guilty/

After reading yesterdays post on there Im tempted to reply to it IMO

 

[BreakingNews]

OT, Breaking News, FYI every time I see a post from you and see "Breaking News" it makes my heart race!

I'm sure the journal would be an interesting find. I wonder if someone else may have drawn the map? either allison, or one of the girls? I often wonder what kind of relationship A & the girls had, especially the elder, were they very close/honest/open? or not? Maybe the girls were close w/TM? If it was TM that GBC was with @ the Brooky show, the girls looked very comfortable with her. Dunno if it was indeed her though... MOOO

Gee, I hope you don't have a heart condition.

There are some great creative names here. I luv them all. Cracks me up: itsthevibe, itchybum, Unfolding Truth, Rational, CaseClosed, Sheerluck Holmes, CIB, Thinking, Keentoknow, Curiousasacat, Sleuthilicious but my all time favourite has to be 'Youre Nicked' as that is what most of us wanted to hear in this case.

 

[itsthevibe]

Way back there was a post by a local? saying they were driving home late at night past the BC's house and happened to look up their driveway and saw 2 people putting something into the back of a car...Did this turn out to be completely a rumour/gossip ?...

I am sure it did say there were 2 people loading something into a car, and I'm sure it mentioned the time of night. I have thought about this too. Now that we have an arrest and a lot more information to go on, I think it would be interesting to try to piece together the known facts and times, along with perhaps some of the unverified rumours to see if they fit in as possibilities. (I mean the more credible ones, which I realise is subjective, but there are some that seem more reliable and that may have been referred to twice, or that could now fit into the times quite well.)

We now have times that the phone was used to contact NBC, plus going on and off the charger. So I wondered about the times reported regarding the above rumour, and also the rumour about NBC being seen at the bus stop at the roundabout. Just wondered if the times were pieced together that it would all fit in (or not).

 

[itsthevibe]

Are you perhaps allowed to say it's just a rumour ie don't present it as fact, and then we can decide for ourselves? Does anyone know?

I thought we were as long as we only referred to it as a rumour every time it was mentioned. Then it can also be added to the rumour list that can be posted and updated from time to time. I noticed when that rumour list was created one of the Mods seemed to remark about it, and also thanked the post when the first list was posted.

 

[Curiousasacat]

Yeah, this was written the day after the arrest. I wonder what the comments would be now after the info released at the bail hearing.

She/He is still twittering most every day proclaiming Innocence until proven otherwise. She/He posts comments on the Facebook page too. May be one of the only people in Brisbane doing so.