NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#28

[UnfoldingTruth]

I think the 'interference with a corpse' charge is specifically listed as located at Kholo Bridge I believe. MOO

Is that on the charge sheet?

Yes it was..

And I am probably answering what already has been.. sorry.. haven't caught up.

 

[BJsleuth]

Question: If you really wanted to hide a body, would you have left it in all the surrounding scrub that is there or put it under the bridge where it was more visible and more likely to be found? There's laser skirmish tagged right on the map of that area. I'm guessing it couldn't have been left higher up from there and possibly slid in the mud with all the rain, the vegetation would prevent that and also in terms of where it was found, it's not really plausible.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

If it was the perp, I think QPS have not been able to establish the movement of the cars. The defence said there was no evidence that GBC left the house that night or no evidence placing him near the bridge. IMO.

They also said the prosecution case was weak and that it wasn't Allisons' blood in the back of the car, yet the prosecution said it was. .. I think there is information yet to come out regarding the cars and their movements. I don't necessarily think because it wasn't mentioned in the bail hearing that they don't have info. But perhaps you are right that they cannot actually place GBC in the cars. Although one of the charges related to Kholo Creek, so they obviously believe he was there. MOO

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Someones told me that a situation like this doesn't require intelligence to carry out, it only requires rat cunning.

lol, well I would say some of the things GBC allegedly did such as starting a claim on Allisons life insurance before the body was identified..is not particularly intelligent..you know actually to me it smacks of desperation..it is the word that keeps coming to my mind with regards to that aspect..geez could't have waited another day for confirmation at least?? MOO

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Mani, I suspect, for the following reasons, that Allison was dropped from the bridge:

(a) the creek from the scout camp seems to be very minor and untraffickable; it seems incongruous that the body would stop travelling down the creek under the bridge at the very point where the water becomes deeper and wider;

(b) driving around with a body in the car is relatively safe; stopping for a minute on a bridge at night also seems relatively safe; dragging or carrying a body around at night through the scrub in the darkness or with a torch, away from one's car risking injury and trace evidence is fraught with risks that a perpetrator would probably try to avoid;

(c) A bridge is probably the only place that is convenient that a body can be dropped from the road with the expectation that it won't immediately be found. It is convenient because it takes away the risk of dirtying shoes and clothing, scratching shins, leaving a trail of evidence behind eg. shoe prints etc and introducing evidence into the car/s.
MOO :cow:

not sure it would be that easy to do though.. at least not on ones own.. you have the guard rail to contend with and I don't think there is anywhere to stop on the bridge is there?..except on the road.. risky that others will come along and notice you.. Not saying it didn't or couldn't happen that way though.

 

[Nads]

Question: If you really wanted to hide a body, would you have left it in all the surrounding scrub that is there or put it under the bridge where it was more visible and more likely to be found? There's laser skirmish tagged right on the map of that area. I'm guessing it couldn't have been left higher up from there and possibly slid in the mud with all the rain, the vegetation would prevent that and also in terms of where it was found, it's not really plausible.

But if the body wasn't found the life insurance couldn't be claimed for seven years.

 

[Nads]

not sure it would be that easy to do though.. at least not on ones own.. you have the guard rail to contend with and I don't think there is anywhere to stop on the bridge is ther..except on the road.. risky that others will come along and notice you.. Not saying it didn't or couldn't happen that way though.

Could the body have been pushed or rolled down the embankment from just under or near the bridge? Just thinking the perps probably wouldn't have wanted to get too muddy.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I maybe wayyy off here but I'm thinking it was something to do with caterpillars at Kholo Creek ...if you read my post #93, page 4 this thread...from the link I posted...

There are only two families of lepidoptera within Australia that have caterpillars which possess these stinging hairs; they are the Limacodidae ("cup moths" or "Chinese junk" caterpillars) and the Nolidae (gumleaf skeletonisers).

These hairs are fragile and easily dislodged from the caterpillar, they adhere to the surface of skin when the caterpiller is contacted, or they become airborne and on settling the barbed or dart hairs easily fragment and penetrate clothing or skin. Hairs that are air-borne can drift and settle on nearby washing or other surfaces which humans will contact

http://medent.usyd.edu.au/fact/caterpillars.htm

UWA Centre for Forensic Science in Perth also does services for Forensic testing which includes Entomology

http://www.forensicscience.uwa.edu.au/services

ps... I hope GBC's dreams are visited nightly by a 1,000 caterpillars.

Hi Marly, thanks for that.. There are more species than that in australia that are 'hairy' and cause irritation by their hairs however the other species are referred to as non-envenomating hairs and these produce a mechanical irritation on contact. (as stated in one of the articles above). I know there is at least one other species called the Eastern tent caterpillar. They are the ones that form along line head to tail as they move..if you've seen them. They are also an issue as I mentioned in a previous post as causing abortions in horses from ingesting the hairs (and or exoskeletons).

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Could the body have been pushed or rolled down the embankment from just under or near the bridge? Just thinking the perps probably wouldn't have wanted to get too muddy.

Possibly, but I am not sure, others may be able to answer this more. I thought their were reports of broken grasses etc..like they had been trample.. I can't remember where I saw it, but I thought they were doing test on them..

 

[chrissie]

Hi a newbie to posting, so hope I am doing this correctly.

Wouldn't Allisons body have been marked/damaged if dropped
or thrown over the bridge? Haven't the police stated no visable
sign of.....IMO as I understand it ????

 

[BJsleuth]

But if the body wasn't found the life insurance couldn't be claimed for seven years.

That's true.

 

[BJsleuth]

Hi a newbie to posting, so hope I am doing this correctly.

Wouldn't Allisons body have been marked/damaged if dropped
or thrown over the bridge? Haven't the police stated no visable
sign of.....IMO as I understand it ????

That's what I think. It am not certain it means there wasn't postmortem trauma though, there is a difference which can be determined.

 

[Curiousasacat]

...........Makes me feel fine....blowing through the jasmine in my mind.

AAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhh. LOL

Oops she did it again.....

Lucky I like you Ms Breeze x

 

[Curiousasacat]

It sure is hard, isn't it.....I would support my son....I certainly wouldn't hate him. But if he called me and said what he had done....I would like to think, that I would say. "Dont touch her, I am coming now".....and once I got there, I would sit him down and explain that he must call the police....and that I will be here for him.

I think I would do the same. It would be heart breaking.
I would take him by the hand and lead him to the police station.

As hard as it would be a mothers love in unconditional.
Not saying I could support everything should my kids get in the Sh**
But it is our job to teach right from wrong.
I would feel I had failed as a mother.

 

[itsthevibe]

I saw the whole kit & kaboodle one night, I think it was (Sat) @ the Brookfield Show, I coincidentally sat a few rows in front of the Dickies,in the stands who had the girls coming & going. Soon after, GBC came and sat quite a distance away, but enough to see the glare in Mrs. D's eye watching him. Mr. D just looked like he was in another sad sad world. GBC sat with a dark haired woman, and his elder daughter sat on his lap for a long time, looking quite comfortable in the situation. I have no idea who it was,it could have been his great aunt or the horse trainer for all I know. It was the day before TM 'came out", but I'm sure there are others who would have seen them. The only contact w/ the Dickies would have been for the sake of juggling the girls.

I by no means want to entice discussion up about the girls, and feel children deserve more credit than most people generally give them, and these 3 will know the real deal. all IMO by the way,

If that person was TM i am totally appalled that they would be so blatant and try to continue their relationship with the girls present, and that they possibly did so in the past as well.

Now people here who apparently knew what TM looked like posted that she was almost 6ft tall, so was this woman that height? Or, does anyone else know if that is correct about TM being so tall?

One thing that has bugged me is one of the early videos taken at Nigelaines house, I think it's the one where EBC goes to the letterbox and there is a dark haired woman who is leaving and EBC sees her off, they embrace and you can faintly hear the dark haired woman say to EBC as she hugs her "thank you for all your support" or something like that. Someone posted that it couldnt be TM because she was too short, but I always wondered who that dark haired woman was. Was she another mistress? Or was she TM and maybe it was incorrect that TM was 6 ft tall?

What seemed strange to me was that at that time (the time of the video footage) it was the BC family who were feeling under siege, who were experiencing challenging times, and here was this unknown woman thanking EBC for all her support. Was it just a coincidence that perhaps prior to Allisons disappearance EBC had helped this woman in some totally unrelated way? Or EBC had provided some incredible support to this woman about something totally unrelated, and shed done this during the time that they were all dealing with this tragedy.

I just thought if it was TM then it would have fitted in with TM being involved, the senior BC's knowing about it, and providing help and support to get it all sorted. so to speak? ie they all played a role but it was GBC and TM who were the main perp and accomplice.

If not, who was this dark haired woman and what on earth could she be thanking EBC for that was so important at that time?

All of the above is IMO, along with questions and speculations based on police and MSM reports.

 

[Woombite]

You may be 'assessed' but as in my case, my ex owes over $10,000 in CS payments... and the CSA is powerless to get it. They're a toothless tigers. They can only claim his stuff if he upgrades his car, buys a boat etc. They ring me every few weeks... asking me what he's doing, what he drives, what his lifestyle is like... how do I know?
He knows the system better than they do... ergo he drives a rubbish car, only deals in cash. My ex has gone from earning $300,000 a year, to a $42, 000 a year job. Have I objected? Of course I have. Has he paid what he owes? Of course not. He is too busy investing in his latest girlfriend.

It's of no consequence. I make my own money. I don't need his.

Hi Isabell
It definately sucks that your ex is slippery. Cash economy is definately harder to prove but I hope they have pinged him on his capacity at least. If it is any consolation, your children will know what you have selflessly done for them and remember how unreliable their father is when providing for them. Make sure you claim against his estate down the track as a cs debt never dies!

In GBCs case, methinks they would have also had words those last few days re shared care of the children - a possibility given the weirdness of the drawing of TMs house with Allison trying to satisfy herself that the girls would be safe and have their own rooms away from other children. Very icky.

 

[spratsmum]

But if the body wasn't found the life insurance couldn't be claimed for seven years.

Exactly Nads!!

That is where I think the interfering with a corpse comes in - realising that the body needed to be found to establish death and for insurance payout, I think GBC moved the body so it was found. He may have done it well before it was discovered and it may very well have been close to where it was discovered, but I think he needed it found, so made it happen!! MOO

 

[Opinionsgalore]

Exactly Nads!!

That is where I think the interfering with a corpse comes in - realising that the body needed to be found to establish death and for insurance payout, I think GBC moved the body so it was found. He may have done it well before it was discovered and it may very well have been close to where it was discovered, but I think he needed it found, so made it happen!! MOO

I thought the same thing. I remember just after they discovered Allisons body, they started investigating a scout/camp ground close to there.


MOO

 

[ozazure]

I wonder if the call info took awhile because it had to come from apple's data, i imagine his isp would know he was contacting a face time server but only apple itself would be able to identify the other user? I can see how dealing with an international third party to get forensic data could take 8 weeks. With a bit of luck there may also be location data retrieved from apple? Be nice to have a spot on his map at the Kholo creek overpass http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27Apple-Q-A-on-Location-Data.html

 

[Fuskier]

Many of the posts on Websleuths have speculated on what involvement, if any, GBC’s family members have had in these events before, during and after the death of Allison.

IMO, this alleged set of circumstances is any family’s worst nightmare. Imagine if your beloved adult child telephoned you and told you that they had just killed their spouse or someone. What would you do?

As parents we are supposed to adhere to The Law and bring up our children to adhere to The Law. This should already be in the family during growing up! I would be shocked, but advise that they had better go to the Police, that there is no way out. We'll be there to support.