NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#30

[Nads]

After reading many posts by Lightning Jack, I would like to make some comment on GBC's capacity to successfully conduct himself in business and finance management (both cashflow and assets).

The CV tendered to the court stated that GBC received a TE score of 900. A ranking you get when you matriculated/graduated from high school (Year 12 in Qld). For those "not in the know", the TE score pre-dated the OP score here in Queensland. The highest TE score was 995 and it incremented downwards in points of 5. You pretty much needed a TE score of 995 or at least 990 to get into study medicine. 980 ish upwards would get you into law. The point I am making here is that a TE score of 900 is pretty low down the food chain in the way of academic merit. I could believe someone with that score might be able to do an accounting degree but I would be absolutely astonished to hear of anyone with a score that low having the capacity to go on to get e.g. CPA.

I have commented earlier that the Brookfield Road home had been rented for six years. I accept that many choose the path not to enter home buying, but that seems completely out of character for anyone who works in the industry. So ... that tells me that there was not the means to purchase a property. Perhaps even prior to renting this property, there had been a forced sale of property/assets.

The logical extension of that (IMO) is that this family had escalating debts which had accumulated over many years and perhaps reached their heights, particularly after a large post-flood (2011) market downslide. To me that makes $1M in debt a biggie.

Lightning Jack is very dismissive of scale or severity of the GBC debts that have been put out in the media. My thinking is that this is completely off base. We are talking about someone who not so long ago drove around in a Lexus (all FLASH, no CASH). Indeed any accountant I would engage would tell you quick smart that a motor vehicle is one of the fast depreciating assets you can own.

Did GBC have any business savvy? (IMO) Definitely not.
Was it likely he found himself in a DIRE financial position? (IMO) Definiately so.

Someone's probably already said this, but the TE scores went up to 990, not 995! And 900 was enough to get into Civil Engineering at UQ which is a very hard course. It all depends on its popularity. GBC went to a TAFE (DDIAE) so it would have been a lot less of a TE score to get into that than a Uni.

Also, my brother got a TE score of 880 and became a teacher. Since then he has gotten a masters and a doctorate (actually through the old DDIAE).

 

[Woof]

Thank you for your question Minnie.

Frankly, I do not know.

I am disturbed that the autopsy found no cause of death, as stated by the defense.

Because the defence would NEVER twist anything, would they. Not like the evil QPS. If you're going to lambast the QPS, please be fair and admit that Defence is going to twist everything too. Like they already have.

 

[Bayside]

My word folks! I'm beginning to feel like a broken record. I'm all done warning you. (Kimster and Imamaze may have a different frame of mind)

I'm going back through the thread now. Posts will disappear. It's a shame that some of the posts will have to be sacrificed, as some of you made really good points but you quoted comments that were clearly violations.

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Sorry, I am guilty of using "idiot", I call my husband Idiot, dumbass etc too, just not to his face lol.

 

[CaseClosed]

Couchcop, I disagree with some of your info about the TE Score. I finished year 12 at the same time as GBC and got a TE score. The highest score was 990 representing the top 1% of students in that year (based on the number of people on QLD who turned 17 in that year.....17 being the age of most year 12's in QLD at that time). A score of 985 was given to the next best 0.5% of the students and so 980 was the next 0.5% of the population meaning that if you got a score of 980 you were in the top 2% of the state. A score of 900 (GBC's) score represents a student being in the top 10% of the state. Whilst that is not an elite score it is not low. It is a great achievement and would have got him into many courses. Obviously it would not have enabled him to study any of the health sciences or things like law or architecture or engineering but with that score he would have been able to study Arts or Science at The University of Queensland which is an internationally recognized university and regarded in the top group of universities in Australia. Whilst a score of 900 wouldn't have enabled him to study commerce at this university there would have been many other options throughout Brisbane and Qld for him to study commerce related degrees along with many other types of courses.

I am aware that the CPA training is rigorous (like most professional training is), but to say that a student who achieved a TE score of 900 wouldn't have the capacity to do such training is insulting to the intelligence of people who achieved that type of score. It wouldn't surprise me if there were people who achieved less scores than 900 that have worked hard and gone to achieve their CPA if they so desired.

Relating all this back to the case we are discussing. To me a TE score of 900 indicates that GBC is actually reasonably intelligent given that such a score would place him in the top 10% of students. Also, I don't think that a students score at the end of year 12 (which for GBC was 25 years ago) should have such weight in representing what they could or could not do with their life. Students who applied themselves in year 12 will have scores that represent their abilities. On the contrary, I am sure that many of us know people who didn't apply themselves at this stage of their life and so their TE score didn't represent what they actually were capable of achieving. A TE scores represented how well you did in year 12, which is the result of a myriad of factors including natural ability, and how hard you work, as well as how you were educated and your home life and maybe even other things. A TE score was used to determine who could enter which university course.....and there its useful life and relevance to life in my humble opinion ended.

In writing this I am in no way defending or accusing GBC of this horrid crime. I am just clarifying some information which was posted that I didn't believe was correct.

All of this is just my humble opinion as we wait for justice to unfold for Allison.

IMO we shouldn't place too much emphasis on this anyhow, because each year things are different according to placements available and demand for certain careers that are more "in fashion", so to speak, one year compared to previous years. Also, having a high score and a degree does not guarantee success in life, because "who you know" seems to be more important than "what you know" in many walks of life.

 

[Woof]

I find it concerning that Lightning Jack is very cavalier about company debt, saying that it wouldn't bother someone who ran a business if the company would go under, because it's not their personal debt.

As a business owner, let me state that 1) I would be shocked if I went under and couldn't pay my debts, or 2) had to let employees go without payments due them. And PTY LTD companies do not give the company owner a free pass on debt. http://www.invested.com.au/65/when-does-limited-liability-not-protect-9420/

JMO, but I take debt seriously.

 

[CaseClosed]

I find it concerning that Lightning Jack is very cavalier about company debt, saying that it wouldn't bother someone who ran a business if the company would go under, because it's not their personal debt.

As a business owner, let me state that 1) I would be shocked if I went under and couldn't pay my debts, or 2) had to let employees go without payments due them. And PTY LTD companies do not give the company owner a free pass on debt. http://www.invested.com.au/65/when-does-limited-liability-not-protect-9420/

JMO, but I take debt seriously.

Totally agree with you!

 

[BJsleuth]

I find it concerning that Lightning Jack is very cavalier about company debt, saying that it wouldn't bother someone who ran a business if the company would go under, because it's not their personal debt.

As a business owner, let me state that 1) I would be shocked if I went under and couldn't pay my debts, or 2) had to let employees go without payments due them. And PTY LTD companies do not give the company owner a free pass on debt. http://www.invested.com.au/65/when-does-limited-liability-not-protect-9420/

JMO, but I take debt seriously.

I'm with you on that Woof! Most would be devastated!

 

[DrWatson]

Also, having a high score and a degree does not guarantee success in life, because "who you know" seems to be more important than "what you know" in many walks of life.

Actually, it's not WHAT you know, and it's not WHO you know - it's what you've got on who you know...! :floorlaugh:

 

[CaseClosed]

Actually, it's not WHAT you know, and it's not WHO you know - it's what you've got on who you know...! :floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Woof]

Visited that Blog about Qld Cops. IMO a waste of time, written by someone determined to make cops look bad. The blogger quotes about GBC that the police took 'months' to 'pin something on him'. Since the arrest was exactly 7 weeks and 6 days after ABC's disappearance that would make it not even two months. The blogger is out to make QPS look bad. Unless my maths is wrong. Is it?

 

[CaseClosed]

This is from the Sica trial Judge, which I found very interesting:

Quote

He said motive was not an element of murder and proof of motive was never indispensible to a conviction.

"So here the prosecution does not have to establish a possible motive," Justice Byrne said.

Unquote

I thought motive had to be established in murder cases. Now I'm confused!

 

[Woof]

I find it concerning that Lightning Jack is very cavalier about company debt, saying that it wouldn't bother someone who ran a business if the company would go under, because it's not their personal debt.

As a business owner, let me state that 1) I would be shocked if I went under and couldn't pay my debts, or 2) had to let employees go without payments due them. And PTY LTD companies do not give the company owner a free pass on debt. http://www.invested.com.au/65/when-does-limited-liability-not-protect-9420/

JMO, but I take debt seriously.

An addition. If my business went under, my income from the business would cease completely, making my other responsibilities, like maintaining my family and home, impossible until I got another job. So even more debt mounting. Again, JMO.

 

[CaseClosed]

An addition. If my business went under, my income from the business would cease completely, making my other responsibilities, like maintaining my family and home, impossible until I got another job. So even more debt mounting. Again, JMO.

.. but you could live comfortably on borrowed money thanks to "gentlemen agreements", could you?

 

[Greg]

My word folks! I'm beginning to feel like a broken record. I'm all done warning you. (Kimster and Imamaze may have a different frame of mind)

I'm going back through the thread now. Posts will disappear. It's a shame that some of the posts will have to be sacrificed, as some of you made really good points but you quoted comments that were clearly violations.

ONE MORE TIME: There isn't any reason to be rude or to snipe at one another. MODS have stated all along that all opinions and thoughts are welcome, as long as they are presented respectfully and as long as your responses show the same respect in return.

Where does being rude or personally attacking people get you? Forced vacation, perhaps permanent, from WebSleuths.

Instead of contributing to any problems on the thread, please alert! Let a Moderator handle, when one is available to do so.

Don't take the bait!

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• Stop with the name calling already. You've been asked umpteen times. Just stop. IDIOT is name calling....so is STUPID in most people's books, when used as an adjective to describe a person directly. However, I'm sure all of us have done "stupid" things...
  
  

Some Lovely music to reflect on summers words

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=AU#/watch?v=LYXWrd-Mso0

 

[Woof]

Someone's probably already said this, but the TE scores went up to 990, not 995! And 900 was enough to get into Civil Engineering at UQ which is a very hard course. It all depends on its popularity. GBC went to a TAFE (DDIAE) so it would have been a lot less of a TE score to get into that than a Uni.

Also, my brother got a TE score of 880 and became a teacher. Since then he has gotten a masters and a doctorate (actually through the old DDIAE).

The year GBC gained entry to uni the UQ Engineering TE requirement was 935. Not 900. That is assuming he was eligible to start uni in 1989? I don't know the year, but guessing by his age it was either 88, 89, or at the most outside 90.

 

[Seeking]

Many years ago I worked as a claims assessor for a large Life Assurance company in Brisbane. You would be suprised how many people did just that.

I still remember one particular case of a child who went missing and the parents contacted us in regards to the procedure if he was found dead. Sadly he was(parents not involved in death).

Many times it was because police/funeral companies/solicitors advised them to move on it immediately. Some for their own reasons I guess but it was not a rarity for this to happen.

Obviously all people react differently to these things. I do think that perhaps some people may go into automatic pilot at these times...dealing with all of the practical things like organizing funerals, dealing with insurance etc. Maybe some people need something to do to keep busy in a time when they may be quite stunned with whatever tragedy has unfolded. Perhaps it is only later that people have time to process and work through the enormity of whatever happened. I can see my husband persisting at working through these types of things in a dazed state when others (me) would be curled up in a ball on the couch unable to function.

To many including MSM, the fact that GBC is alleged to have contacted the insurance company before the body was confirmed to be Allison's, makes it look like he did the deed for the money. What Jubilee has posted is that it is not unusual for people to make such phone calls to insurance company's in similar circumstances even when they are not involved in the death of the person. So in regards to this allegation we need to see what unfolds over time as there could be legitimate non suspicious reasons for the phone call and its timing. We will just have to wait and see........like everything else!

My comments are in no way justifying any actions or inactions of the alleged perpetrator of this crime. I think that Jubilee's statement helps us to proceed with caution and not be too hasty as we consider all of the factors that MSM have reported about this crime. I still agree with most people that from the information that we have been given, at this stage it looks like they have arrested the person who did the deed; but I am also mindful of respecting the fact that he is innocent until proven guilty in the courts.

This is all my humble opinion and thoughts as we wait for justice for Allison to unfold.

 

[Woof]

.. but you could live comfortably on borrowed money thanks to "gentlemen agreements", could you?

You mean if people lent me money on a 'pay back when you can' basis? Yes, probably. But I hate the thought of it.

 

[BJsleuth]

Actually, it's not WHAT you know, and it's not WHO you know - it's what you've got on who you know...! :floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

There'll be no Tena left on the shelves at this rate! Nice one Doc!

 

[summer_breeze]

Some Lovely music to reflect on summers words

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=AU#/watch?v=LYXWrd-Mso0

Thank you sir. A most welcome distraction.

As you all know by now, or at least have surmised, I LOVES that song.

Here is a "youthful" version....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjKe0DFwSZM"]Summer Breeze (Jason Mraz) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[CaseClosed]

You mean if people lent me money on a 'pay back when you can' basis? Yes, probably. But I hate the thought of it.

Agreed. Most decent people would hate the thought of it and would probably not proceed on that basis. Most decent people would take measures way in advance to try and rescue some of the business and not just keep adding to the debt ... in order to keep up the appearances.