"No Data" Incoming Texts Mystery *update - solved*

[BondJamesBond]

Sorry about the OT
But posting one more time to say thanks.
Still room for conjecture, but things a little clearer.

Hehehe...:redface:...I'm the one goin' OT...but, since we're off the paved road...

Yes - plenty of room to maneuver different scenarios still. Also plenty of options on what activities Casey could have been engaged in between 5PM-7:06PM owing to the many stores in the area. For example, I don't recall seeing any statement about Casey & Tony eating Monday, 6/16PM...and have often thought if Casey could produce a receipt (or witness) from a fast food joint/drive-thru (e.g. McDonalds opposite Amscot) 6/16PM showing she purchased 2 meals...or a Happy Meal...she would have at least some argument in court to make about being concerned about Caylee's welfare 6/16PM - instead of being hellbent on murdering her. Alternatively, as we discussed on the 6/16 Ping thread, there is a CVS Pharmacy on the corner of Goldenrod & Colonial...directly across from Amscot.

And you're most welcome. I'm simply dropping grains of sand in the oyster shells 'round here. :gift: You really sharp WS's will come behind me and tweak this into shape...or...find the significant flaws and generate something from the ashes...it's all good :thumb:

I'll do my OT penance by weaving back in the outbound 'no data' results if/when JWG has a chance to look at the raw AT&T docs again.

 

[Gma Kat]

I took a trivia challenge online once and it asked for my cell number; they sent the results via text to my cell.

So now sometimes I get these stupid trivia question texts and there is no indication of where they come from. (says no data)

Also, I sometimes send a text to my hubby's cell from the computer and when he gets it, it doesn't say where the message originated from.

So I'm not the only one.......:dance:

Could KC have been sending herself messages from another phone or computer to give the impression that "Zanny" was trying to contact her or return her calls? You always do such great work BJB, I wish I had the intellegence and resources to help you. This was my best shot.

 

[BondJamesBond]

OK...I just updated the thread title to reflect that...

1) With JWG digging into the details the 'no data' texts have been resolved (system messages that were 'lost in translation' from earlier OCR scans) :bud:

2) With Georgia PI, Momtective and others helping we have better resolution on some here-to-fore unidentified originators of several text messages (e.g. Yahoo, etc.) :applause:

Ya gotta love WS. Thanks to everyone for pitching in!! :blowkiss:

 

[Devon]

Alright...my ISP has chosen to get flaky on me this evening....and while the result of what started as diving into 'no data' transmissions really belongs on the 6/16 Ping thread, it won't make it there tonight because 2 screen refreshes is 1 too many tonight :banghead:

So I'll hafta come back and deal w/ the rest of the 'outbound' "no data" entries later...

If I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing....

On the afternoon of 6/16, based on the tower handoffs of the pings and drive time, Casey left the area of G&C's/Lee's ~4:10PM and arrived in the area north of Amscot ~4:33PM. Casey had placed her last call in the 2nd - albeit mini - "flurry" of calls that day to Cindy's cell phone about the time she passed by Amscot. Then, there was a period of 28mins with no activity on Casey's cell phone. We don't know what Casey was doing during this time frame, but, based on her next cell ping it appears she stayed somewhere around this area. Note that the following recognizable landmarks are located within the driving distance of the bookend pings that begin & end this 28min period.:

Tony's apt.
Gentiva
Lexus
Amscot​

Based on both of these bookend pings being from the same tower on the southern end of these landmarks, IMHO, it seems most likely Casey was nearer Amscot, one of the stores in this area, or Gentiva. Note, FWIW, that Casey's m.o. had been to drop Caylee @ Gentiva around Cindy's quiting time per several statements from Gentiva employees and George.

This first period of cell inactivity ended @ 4:53PM when Casey received a Facebook alert which pinged in the area described above.

After this Facebook alert was received there was a 64 minute period of inactivity that ended @ 5:57PM pinging at the location most likely to be near Tony's apartment with a system message that indicated either a voicemail or text message was waiting. Despite receipt this system message, Casey waited another 34 mins before initiating the 3rd "flurry" of calls that day to Cindy @ 6:31PM. Up to this point, all of Casey's calls to Cindy had been attempts to get Cindy to answer the phone based on their duration being <10seconds. However, two calls to Jesse had durations of ~1minute...left vmail messages perhaps.

At 6:33PM Casey appeared to notice the system message indicating a voicemail or text was waiting and dialed her voicemailbox number. Casey had hoped this was a message from Cindy, etc, but, soon discovered it wasn't. Her call to voicemail lasted just under a minute and may have included checking Cindy's vmail receipt of messages Casey had left (an option from the vmail menu) and the text message that resulted from the Facebook alert...all of these can be done from the same call (I simulated myself this evening and took just over 30seconds to complete all three tasks). This series of actions explains the system message(s) @ 6:34PM which arrived within seconds of the completion of the call Casey placed to her voicemailbox - formerly identified as 'no data' entries above..

After this disappointment, there was another 32 minute period of cell inactivity, until the 4th and final not-quite-a-"flurry" of calls began @ 7:06PM which sputtered and ended @ 7:21PM with calls to Amy. All of these activities pinged at a location most likely to be nearest to Tony's apartment.

Then...no cell activity...none... for the 33 mins...before Casey & Tony arrived @ Blockbuster IIRC ~7:54PM. Note that Blockbuster is less than 0.5 miles from Tony's apartment...so, some time must be allowed for Casey to have met up with Tony and for the pair to get to Blockbuster @ ~7:54PM.

IIRC, Cindy stated in her interview w/ the FBI that Casey called the evening of the 16th to explain that she & Caylee would not be home that evening. It appears to me that the 7:06PM call to G&C's home, which lasted just under 1.5 minutes, serves as the best candidate for this call. This would also be in agreement with the time needed for Casey to meet up with Tony and travel to Blockbuster.

Based on the above, it appears to me that, after attempting to repeat a drop of Caylee with Cindy @ Gentiva ~5PM 6/16, an upset Casey engaged in a change of plans in which she turned her phone off (or battery died) @ ~5PM just after the un-noticed receipt of the Facebook Alert @ 4:53PM, and turned her phone back on (or noticed & charger plugged in) @ 5:57PM which resulted in the system message being re-sent to her phone indicating she had a waiting message (only explanation for this pattern I can think of). By 6:34PM Casey realized Cindy was not going to respond and Casey took the actions that ultimately cost Caylee her life. As noted before, medical death may not have occurred immediately, hence, the time of death can't be specified, however, the actions that resulted in Caylee's death appear to have been taken between 6:34PM and 7:06PM

Some of the problems I have with this scenario are:

1) Is it likely that KC would murder Caylee in broad daylight and in public - if so where did she go? Surely it wouldn't have occurred anywhere along the main routes between the A's house and TL's apartment during this time period, when I presume traffic would have been fairly busy with workers going home etc. Do the phone pings support KC going off the beaten track at all?

2) If Caylee was alive when KC left the A's house around 4.10pm, at which point you appear to believe she hadn't yet decided that she needed to kill her, why didn't she have any shoes on?

3) If KC killed Caylee in the car and then placed her in the trunk, why would she leave Caylee's favourite doll in full view? If she performed this murder as cold-bloodedly as your scenario would imply, I would think she'd have the presence of mind to hide that particular 'red flag' out of sight!

 

[Rumpole]

Since the thread is now oficially OT:

What I put together out of all the bits is that KC gagged and put (threw) Caylee in the trunk 6:34 -7:06pm. I can only go by aerial shots, but looks like some quiet parking spots near AL appt?
I think Caylee was still alive, KC at least thought she was alive when she was in Video busters?
The shoe issue keeps being brought up. Perhaps I come from slightly different culture, but kids not wearing shoes is common, especially in the car. Perhaps there was a lose pair of Caylee shoes in the car that KC could easily have thrown away at any time. If we want to be conspiratorial, could even surmise that CA found Caylee's shoes in the car or trunk and kept quiet about it?

 

[BondJamesBond]

Some of the problems I have with this scenario are:

Just painting one picture here that fits the evidence...certainly not the only picture...

1) Is it likely that KC would murder Caylee in broad daylight and in public - if so where did she go? Surely it wouldn't have occurred anywhere along the main routes between the A's house and TL's apartment during this time period, when I presume traffic would have been fairly busy with workers going home etc. Do the phone pings support KC going off the beaten track at all?

I'm a terrible one to ask how likely Casey is to do anything. I plowed a ridiculous amount of time into pouring over every detail of the case looking for a disposal site before December 11...a site that would fit MY criteria for a likely location. Only to find Casey went less than 0.5 mile from G&C's...20ft from the shoulder of the road. So, what I think Casey would likely do has proven to be a poor measuring stick. :bang: What I have tried to do is paint a picture of the events we can create with the available objective evidence...and inject some possible explanations.

The phone pings show Casey essentially went directly from the area of G&C/Lee's to the area of Amscot/Gentiva, then, to Tony's apartment. This little scene played out almost exactly the same on 6/9 as it did on 6/16...including the flurry of calls. IMHO, we may learn Casey wanted to drop Caylee w/ Cindy 6/9PM so Casey could go deal with the traffic citations unencumbered w/ Caylee the morning of 6/10. Caylee was in a habit of dropping Caylee @ Gentiva @ the end of Cindy's day as has been stated by Gentiva employees & George. IMHO, it appears Casey was possibly setting things up to do it again 6/16 to enable Tony-time.

The pings can't tell us exactly what streets Casey traveled. Yes - there are some side-streets that would provide adequate privacy along the way, IMHO. An outta the way parking space @ Tony's apt complex would've worked too. Just to use one example...individual events don't necessarily look evil to the casual observer. Giving a child OTC medications wouldn't look nefarious to the casual observer, IMHO. Even laying a child down (out of view) in a back seat to do something that might appear to be changing a diaper wouldn't draw too much suspicion. Putting a blanketed object in the trunk would be just that...a wad of blankets - laundry maybe? Right? Sure. Only to a person that watched intently from the time Casey & Caylee parked until Casey left the car without Caylee (in this example) - start to finish - would red flags go up. Spread the whole scene out over two locations and IMHO you could do it 3 times a week and no one would take note.

2) If Caylee was alive when KC left the A's house around 4.10pm, at which point you appear to believe she hadn't yet decided that she needed to kill her, why didn't she have any shoes on?

Since Casey was ultimately capable of caring so little for Caylee that she murdered her...I'm not too surprised that Casey didn't slip Caylee's shoes on after her nap. Casey's focus 6/16PM was on her evening plans...not Caylee's comfort or well-being. IOW...IMHO, shoes or no shoes isn't an indication of what Casey planned to do - rather an indication of Casey's priorities. Recall that Casey had a backpack w/ wipes, pull-ups, a comb, and a toothbrush, etc. in it too.

3) If KC killed Caylee in the car and then placed her in the trunk, why would she leave Caylee's favourite doll in full view? If she performed this murder as cold-bloodedly as your scenario would imply, I would think she'd have the presence of mind to hide that particular 'red flag' out of sight!

I'm afraid you lost me. I don't think I originally suggested the details of how Casey carried out the crime, merely the timeframe in which she did based on some observations about her phone activity.

My opinion on the doll? Well...IMHO Casey didn't have the presence of mind to do so many of the things you and I might do if we were inclined to 'get away with murder'. The doll in view doesn't give me any more pause than a myriad of the other things Casey failed to do. Casey appears to me to live 10-minutes-@-a-time, as was suggested by LP. Casey's trade was lying her way out of situations. Tidying up details to prevent the need to lie...well...that would just be "a waste - a huge waste".

 

[momtective]

Not exactly sure why but I thought I'd throw this back out here again. Cindy's FBI interview compared to Casey's cell record. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75577. There might be a little in site there.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Not exactly sure why but I thought I'd throw this back out here again. Cindy's FBI interview compared to Casey's cell record. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75577. There might be a little in site there.

IIRC, this is the interview in which Cindy indicated Casey called the evening of 6/16 to state she and Caylee wouldn't be coming home that night. Per above, I'm speculating this was the call Casey placed @ 7:06PM that lasted under 2mins.

One of the reasons for my adjusting my opinion of a post-7:20PM event is that a Casey-in-need-of-Caylee-sitter-to-enable-Tony-time seemed to be actively trying to reach Cindy in-person (not satisfied with leaving a single vmail and waiting, rather employing the 'flurry' method) as late as ~6:30PM. If Casey FINALLY reached Cindy for one last conversation and per Cindy it was to tell her something different...something like..."Yeh - I WAS trying to reach you this afternoon, but, now...forget about it - problem already solved"...well...then the circumstances had changed before the 7:06PM call.

Detailed on one of the general ping threads that the 7:06PM call marked the turning point for Casey's communications w/ Cindy. After that call, Casey became evermore elusive. IMHO, that transition is a key indication...and...if Cindy's account of the context of that conversation given in the FBI interview is accurate...it tells us the deed had been done already...OR...Casey was convinced her 'Plan B' was going to be effective (some means of temporarily stowing Caylee).

 

[momtective]

Two dates stand out to me, June 18 and June 24
Flurry of calls from KC to A family on both dates.
Maybe the 18th is when KC discovered that Caylee was no longer alive in the trunk.

June 24th KC makes 7 calls to CA...remember CA said KC was out of town. Zani supposedly still in the hospital...but remember the 24th is the day GA reported the gas cans missing and is also the same day GA confronted KC about the gas cans and approached the car trunk. This is the only flurry of calls from KC other than on the 16th.
Obviously GA and CA knew KC was not in Tampa...GA had just seen her earlier in the day, right? I'm thinking this is the day KC disposed of Caylee's little body.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Two dates stand out to me, June 18 and June 24
Flurry of calls from KC to A family on both dates.
Maybe the 18th is when KC discovered that Caylee was no longer alive in the trunk.

June 24th KC makes 7 calls to CA...remember CA said KC was out of town. Zani supposedly still in the hospital...but remember the 24th is the day GA reported the gas cans missing and is also the same day GA confronted KC about the gas cans and approached the car trunk. This is the only flurry of calls from KC other than on the 16th.
Obviously GA and CA knew KC was not in Tampa...GA had just seen her earlier in the day, right? I'm thinking this is the day KC disposed of Caylee's little body.

1) Dontcha love how those 'flurries' almost always start w/ a call to Lexus.

6/9 flurry: Starts w/ Cindy
6/16 flurry1: Starts w/ Lexus
6/18 flurry: Starts w/ Lexus
6/24 flurry: Starts w/ Lexus

2) Consider the 6/18 flurry may have had something to do w/ establishing G&C's afternoon/evening plans since Casey did one of her back-into-the-garage maneuvers and pinged there ~2:45PM that afternoon. Shovel day.

3) Consider the 6/24 flurry occurred as Casey sped away from the here's-your-effin'-gas-cans encounter w/ George @ the house.

ETA: I know how we got here, but, we should prolly be doin' this on the "cells & pings" thread...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

CA said KC was out of town on the 24th tending to the hospitalized nanny but didn't CA supposedly tell KC that George reported the stolen gas cans to LE which is what prompted KC to come return them? CA thought KC rushed back from Tampa, leaving Caylee there, to return gas cans?

Does that mean that CA did not mention to GA that KC said she was in Tampa with Caylee? When he saw KC on the 24th, you'd think he would be really surprised because she was supposed to be in Tampa - no?

Where do you think KC learned how to lie? It's clear to me. Just say anything you want and assume that every one else is stupid. The lies sure make things confusing though.

How many lies can be tolerated before it is considered obstruction I wonder. Sorry, tangent. NO DATA, ONLY LIES!

 

[BondJamesBond]

CA said KC was out of town on the 24th tending to the hospitalized nanny but didn't CA supposedly tell KC that George reported the stolen gas cans to LE which is what prompted KC to come return them? CA thought KC rushed back from Tampa, leaving Caylee there, to return gas cans?

Does that mean that CA did not mention to GA that KC said she was in Tampa with Caylee? When he saw KC on the 24th, you'd think he would be really surprised because she was supposed to be in Tampa - no?

Where do you think KC learned how to lie? It's clear to me. Just say anything you want and assume that every one else is stupid. The lies sure make things confusing though.

How many lies can be tolerated before it is considered obstruction I wonder. Sorry, tangent. NO DATA, ONLY LIES!

Hey, Woe.

IIRC, Casey's story evolved into having to come get insurance papers for ZFG...or something similar...as her reason for having to be in Orlando 6/24.

I'm gonna request the thread be closed. We've solved the 'no data' mystery...and now I'm just contributing to the delinquency of (yet another) thread :bang: