No intruder?

[Agatha_C]

I did not say murdered her. But what of the possibility that he was called? Its something to think about if your RDI and think an unknown 5th was person there.

Or maybe those weren't the pants she had been put to bed in, but rather a dirty pair from the laundry room, then it could have been someone who on a prior visit took JB potty. After all, Nedra, did say, JB would call out to anyone to help her.

The fact that touch DNA was on her pants, does not mean that person killed her or was even there that night. Like the RN, the touch DNA, does not mean that person killed her.

 

[MurriFlower]

I did not say murdered her. But what of the possibility that he was called? Its something to think about if your RDI and think an unknown 5th was person there.

Or maybe those weren't the pants she had been put to bed in, but rather a dirty pair from the laundry room, then it could have been someone who on a prior visit took JB potty. After all, Nedra, did say, JB would call out to anyone to help her.

The fact that touch DNA was on her pants, does not mean that person killed her or was even there that night. Like the RN, the touch DNA, does not mean that person killed her.

Dr Beuf part of the plot too eh? Doncha think if they had called him they wouldn't have needed to strangle her, (as the popular RDI theory goes), just tell him that she fell and cracked her skull?

You just can't discount the DNA on her longjohns like that, when there is matching DNA in the bloodspot in her panties. Unless you're suggesting Dr Beuf also took her to the toilet LOL.

 

[Agatha_C]

Murri,

I just mentioned it, as possible reasons why. Like IDI, has their reasons why. Not that its right or wrong, not that I think it or don't (which, the good Dr, knows more then he is telling). Its just another possibility.

So Nopey, nope, nope I'm not saying The Doctor murdered her nor am I saying he took her potty. can you say that he didn't take her potty? Being a friend of the R's as he was, can you say he wasn't at their house at any point prior too the crime?

IDI, has someone else in the house that night, can you say it wasn't the doctor? If so how do you know.

 

[MurriFlower]

Murri,

I just mentioned it, as possible reasons why. Like IDI, has their reasons why. Not that its right or wrong, not that I think it or don't (which, the good Dr, knows more then he is telling). Its just another possibility.

So Nopey, nope, nope I'm not saying The Doctor murdered her nor am I saying he took her potty. can you say that he didn't take her potty? Being a friend of the R's as he was, can you say he wasn't at their house at any point prior too the crime?

IDI, has someone else in the house that night, can you say it wasn't the doctor? If so how do you know.

Agatha_C I can see you are thinking now, so you are widening your horizons. Ok, you are still trying to tie this to the R's and their circle, but you haven't decided upon a killer or a method. I guess this is all good. It's not IDI I suppose (but close). No, I can't say Dr Beuf was not involved, anymore than I can say ST wasn't, or CW, or McSanta or JMK, or dang it, the whole damn bunch of them.

 

[Ames]

It may as well have, cause it was found in the place where the longjohns were pulled down and matched the DNA found mixed in a spot of JBR's blood in the panties. I think anyone could guess that the DNA was left by a person who was present when JBR died and there is a very good chance he was her murderer (or at the very least, he knows who was).

Never heard that the touch dna matched the dna found in a spot of JB's blood in the panties, before. That is a new one to me...

 

[Toltec]

Let's assume JonBenet bathed Christmas Eve...

She went on a play date to her little friend Megan Kostanzick's home. Did she pick up DNA there?

She went to Pasta Jay's for dinner. Did she pick up DNA there?

We know for a fact JonBenet did not bathe Christmas day.

She played outside and with friends Christmas Day. Did she pick up DNA there?

She visited the White home Christmas nite. Did she pick up DNA there?

Aunt Pam claimed that JonBenet did not like her nails cut. JonBenet did not wash her hands Christmas day...

The DNA was corroded...as in old...end of story.

 

[Becky319]

Never heard that the touch dna matched the dna found in a spot of JB's blood in the panties, before. That is a new one to me...

See paragraph 8, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/10/earlyshow/main4247767.shtml, also paragraph 6 in this article http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/10/earlyshow/main4247767.shtml

Serveral other articles but they are all from news outlets not the official investigation documents, wish we could see them.

 

[Becky319]

HOTYH, and you know for a fact that everyone they knew was tested? What about Dr Beuf? They forgot so many things, how do YOU know that they didn't forget someone?

My oh my Ms. Agatha C! Got me thinking as normal. What about they called Dr. Beuf over to exam her to see if there was any signs of sexual assault, finding there was signs the R's assaulted her with the paint brush trying to cover up the previous abuse. This is a theory I am thinking about only, nothing in the investigation points to them looking at Dr. Beuf at all. But Dr. Beuf has always seemed to get a free pass to me in this investigation.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

My oh my Ms. Agatha C! Got me thinking as normal. What about they called Dr. Beuf over to exam her to see if there was any signs of sexual assault, finding there was signs the R's assaulted her with the paint brush trying to cover up the previous abuse. This is a theory I am thinking about only, nothing in the investigation points to them looking at Dr. Beuf at all. But Dr. Beuf has always seemed to get a free pass to me in this investigation.

What about those crossing-guards? I dont trust those crossing guards.

But wait. Just like a pediatrician, they're always helping the kids.

Shame on you.

 

[Becky319]

What about those crossing-guards? I dont trust those crossing guards.

But wait. Just like a pediatrician, they're always helping the kids.

Shame on you.

HOTYH it is never a shame when someone is thinking, well at my age anyway LOL. I probably would have thrown in the crossing guards but she didn't walk to school, nor had she been examined 20+ times by one of them that I have been able to find documented, like we can with the good Doctor. And someone that sees a child 20+ times with vaginal problems should have done a more thorough exam after about the hmmmmm 6th time to see what could be going on (to protect and help kids). That is another good point, did PR tell him oh shucks I keep giving her bubble baths after you have told me 5,10, 15 times this is what is causing these problems?

I listen to your intruder theories and put thought in to them, sorry you don't like to listen to ours.

 

[SunnieRN]

HOTYH, the DNA was degraded, but I would think that if your assumptions of a MAAM were correct, the touch DNA or the 'blood dna' (which doesn't exist from a perp), would show Asian traits, as DNA can determine ethnicity. Did it? Hmmm, that's right, the dna was too degraded to tell. It was also possibly a mixed sample.

As far as the touch DNA, how do you know it wasn't from a facory worker making $.23 an hour to piece it together or put it in a plastic bag for shipping? Those were the ONLY areas tested. I would like to see other areas, (near seams) tested, to see if there is additional DNA in those areas. Someone had to sew these together and none of us know if these were new or previously worn.

Why shame another poster for posting a theory that is MUCH more believeable than an unfounded MAAM that you have been asked for links to your research for, but have chosen not to provide. Maybe because the shame should actually be put upon you, for your theories that have no basis.

 

[Agatha_C]

HOTYH,

There you go again. How many times does this have to be said? Perverts can be anybody, including and especially Pediatricians and crossing guards. Aren't you the one that pointed out that pedo/molesters hang out where kids are. So I ask you, do I need to give you documented cases of sickos in both those fields? I can, I have and I will again and again.

 

[Agatha_C]

Becky319,

LOL! You made my morning. My theory about the Dr, leans more towards, did they call him when JB was initially hurt or maybe for PR's mental condition at the time? I have many thoughts about the good doctor. None of them good.

 

[Agatha_C]

HOTYH, the DNA was degraded, but I would think that if your assumptions of a MAAM were correct, the touch DNA or the 'blood dna' (which doesn't exist from a perp), would show Asian traits, as DNA can determine ethnicity. Did it? Hmmm, that's right, the dna was too degraded to tell. It was also possibly a mixed sample.

As far as the touch DNA, how do you know it wasn't from a facory worker making $.23 an hour to piece it together or put it in a plastic bag for shipping? Those were the ONLY areas tested. I would like to see other areas, (near seams) tested, to see if there is additional DNA in those areas. Someone had to sew these together and none of us know if these were new or previously worn.

Why shame another poster for posting a theory that is MUCH more believeable than an unfounded MAAM that you have been asked for links to your research for, but have chosen not to provide. Maybe because the shame should actually be put upon you, for your theories that have no basis.

Ya'll are killing me LOLOLOL!!! MAAM...LOL.... Sunni, thats telling him where the bear does it in the woods... :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

 

[UKGuy]

But not one tiny hair of his chinny chin chin was found in the home.

Toltec,

I sure do agree. There is no intruder thats simply the Ramsey defense. There is no corroborating forensic evidence. Simply touch-dna that may have arrived on JonBenet's clothing in any one of a number of ways.

If there had been other forensic evidence such as hair or skins cells discovered elsewhere at the crime-scene, then the IDI theory might have some legs, otherwise its dead on arrival.

The parents have no alibi other than sleep and amnesia, yet forensic evidence from their person is strewn all ovet the crime-scene. Maybe John sleepwalks?


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[UKGuy]

Ya'll are killing me LOLOLOL!!! MAAM...LOL.... Sunni, thats telling him where the bear does it in the woods... :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

There was an asian male who babysat JonBenet and Burke, but he was cleared early on.


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[SunnieRN]

There was an asian male who babysat JonBenet and Burke, but he was cleared early on.


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Please, tell us more UK Guy. When did he last babysit JB and how was he cleared. Thanks!

 

[SunnieRN]

Ah, nathan Inouye, who was the college student who lived with the Steins. I forgot about him. Thanks for jogging my memory banks. Didn't they think he might have been involved with APAC, but cleared him very easily and early on?

 

[Tadpole12]

from Jams WbbS:

http://www.webbsleuths.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=1701&forum=DCForumID61


I don't see any reference to NI babysitting the Ramsey children, just that he occasionally drove the children to school.
I also did not find any reference to NI by Patsy in any of the interviews. Neither John nor Patsy make any reference to a male babysitter except grandpa Paugh and Mr. Mom. Det. Jane Harmer is the first to mention his name in the interview transcripts. This would indicate that the Boulder authorities were aware of him through some other discussion with Patsy somewhere along the way BEFORE August 2000.

Someone contacted him and determined that he was NOT IN COLORADO at the time of the murder (had gone home to be with his family for Christmas).

 

[MurriFlower]

See paragraph 8, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/10/earlyshow/main4247767.shtml, also paragraph 6 in this article http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/10/earlyshow/main4247767.shtml

Serveral other articles but they are all from news outlets not the official investigation documents, wish we could see them.

"DNA from two sites on the long johns matched genetic material from an unknown male that had previously been recovered from blood in JonBenet's underpants. The matching DNA from three places on two articles of JonBenet's clothing convinced the district attorney that it belonged to the killer, and hadn't been left accidentally by a third party."