No intruder?

[Toltec]

I'm not sure about the oversize underwear JBR was allegedly wearing.

Are they a little oversize or a lot oversize? If they are a little oversize and JBR wanted them, then maybe its not even an issue. If they are a lot oversize then why dont they fall off when she stood up? How stupid is that? Why would Dr. Meyer write about trivial Korea and Wednesday and leave out important inappropriate item of clothing?

Something is not right with the whole story because nobody close to the investigation explicitly stated that JBR was found wearing inappropriate size 12 underwear. Lets hear from Linda Ardnt, Lou Smit, or Dr. Meyer on it.

Why don't you read Steve Thomas book...he comments on the HUMONGOUS PANTIES!

 

[otg]

I'm not sure about the oversize underwear JBR was allegedly wearing.

I see that.

Are they a little oversize or a lot oversize? If they are a little oversize and JBR wanted them, then maybe its not even an issue.

I gave you a link in the post that apparently you didn't bother looking at.

If they are a lot oversize then why dont they fall off when she stood up? How stupid is that?

Again, look at the pictures on the thread I linked just for you. How stupid is it when you deny something without even looking at the evidence?

Why would Dr. Meyer write about trivial Korea and Wednesday and leave out important inappropriate item of clothing?

We've covered that before. How many times does one have to repeat it before you stop asking the same question?

Something is not right with the whole story because nobody close to the investigation explicitly stated that JBR was found wearing inappropriate size 12 underwear.

How much closer to the investigation can a person be than Michael Kane, Bruce Levine, Mitch Morrissey, Mark Beckner, Tom Wickman, Tom Trujillo, and Jane Harmer? They were all there at the interview in Atlanta, Georgia, August 28, 2000, along with Patsy Ramsey and her legal counsels, Lin Wood, Ollie Gray, and John San Augustine.

Lets hear from Linda Ardnt, Lou Smit, or Dr. Meyer on it.

We've covered this one before, Holdon. Linda Arndt is trimming trees now. Lou Smit is dead. Dr. Meyer doesn't hold press conferences. Why do you insist on wanting hearing from someone now who will not, or can not, speak. If you want to try though for Lou Smit, get a Ouija Board.
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[Agatha_C]

We've covered this one before, Holdon. Linda Arndt is trimming trees now. Lou Smit is dead. Dr. Meyer doesn't hold press conferences. Why do you insist on wanting hearing from someone now who will not, or can not, speak. If you want to try though for Lou Smit, get a Ouija Board.
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Agatha>>>>>>> :silly:

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Why don't you read Steve Thomas book...he comments on the HUMONGOUS PANTIES!

That profiteer? I already said if ST says she was wearing size 12's at autopsy then I'll buy it. He didn't exactly say that though, did he.

If Linda Ardnt and Dr. Meyer never explicitly remarked on size 12 underwear in their transcripts, affidavits, or reports re autopsy then its some kind of interrogation tactic for sure.

Sorry otg but you seem to be at a loss...

 

[BBB167893]

my bold

Evidence like what?

You and your PIC Murri have claimed for a long time that all of the evidence the gov't presented is nothing but fabrications. I was simply reminding you that any prosecutor worth his weight in SPAM is not going to let the suspect have access to materials like that before trial.

Far as I'm concerned somebody forgot to take pictures of JBR in her underwear, and there's no fiber expert testimony.

My bold. "Far as you're concerned." Yeah, that about sums it up.

The claims that JBR was found in underwear twice her size, and the fibers matched JR's shirt are hearsay at best, lies at worst. I'd say they are lies.

I have no doubt you would. You HAVE to. After all, it's all you've got.

 

[BBB167893]

Well, this is the person who bought and saw these panties Agatha. She said
"1 I mean, if you have ever seen
2 these little panties, there is not too much
3 difference in the size. So, you know, I'm
4 sure even if they were a little bit big,
5 they were special because we got them up
6 there, she wanted to wear them, and they
7 didn't fall down around her ankles, that was
8 fine with me. " so I'll stick with her crud in preference to yours.

In answer to your other question about the size I wear, I would have thought most women would be aware they can wear a large range of sizes in underwear without them falling down. The most likely ones to fall down are old ones with stretched elastic, not new out of the box ones.

Yeah, I was going to mention that. In the photo of the little girl wearing the giant panties, you'll notice that the waistband is quite fitting. They wouldn't necessarily be falling down on her.

 

[BBB167893]

We've covered that before. How many times does one have to repeat it before you stop asking the same question?

If I only knew that answer!

How much closer to the investigation can a person be than Michael Kane, Bruce Levine, Mitch Morrissey, Mark Beckner, Tom Wickman, Tom Trujillo, and Jane Harmer? They were all there at the interview in Atlanta, Georgia, August 28, 2000, along with Patsy Ramsey and her legal counsels, Lin Wood, Ollie Gray, and John San Augustine.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

We've covered this one before, Holdon. Linda Arndt is trimming trees now. Lou Smit is dead. Dr. Meyer doesn't hold press conferences. Why do you insist on wanting hearing from someone now who will not, or can not, speak. If you want to try though for Lou Smit, get a Ouija Board.
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OUCH.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I have no doubt you would. You HAVE to. After all, it's all you've got.

Whats all I've got? Interrogator lies? Unknown male DNA thrice? Unsourced cord? Unsourced tape? Unsourced handwriting, linguistics, and violent personality?

Mainstream media support? Letters of exhoneration from the DA?

Compared with when I started here, things are looking WAY up for IDI.

After all, it's all you've got.

I've got tons, friend. Tons.

 

[Agatha_C]

Yeah, I was going to mention that. In the photo of the little girl wearing the giant panties, you'll notice that the waistband is quite fitting. They wouldn't necessarily be falling down on her.

I would agree with that. The panties would not be falling off of her, but they would have come off when her pants were removed. They would have also been big enough that they covered nothing and PR, should have and would have noticed. Not arguing Dave (LOL) I am agreeing......

 

[Ames]

Apology accepted.

Given what you know, and the effort you've made to find out what you don't, I can understand why other ideas would appear idiotic to you.

I could say the same for you. Just wondering if you have even read any of J or P's interviews?? Just curious....

 

[BBB167893]

What's all I've got?

Your claims.

Case in point:

Interrogator lies? Unknown male DNA thrice? Unsourced cord? Unsourced tape? Unsourced handwriting, linguistics, and violent personality?

Yup, ALL CLAIMS.

Mainstream media support?

BIG DEAL! Even IF Lin Wood were not a factor in that (and I know for a fact that he threatens people into silence), the mainstream media has an embarrassing tendency to get things wrong.

Letters of exhoneration from the DA?

Given WHO the DA was and all of her past problems with this case and others, I'd trust that about as far as I can throw an elephant by the trunk.

Compared with when I started here, things are looking WAY up for IDI.

That's not saying a whole lot, HOTYH!

I've got tons, friend. Tons.

Must be tough to get around the house!

 

[Ames]

my bold

Evidence like what? Far as I'm concerned somebody forgot to take pictures of JBR in her underwear, and there's no fiber expert testimony. The claims that JBR was found in underwear twice her size, and the fibers matched JR's shirt are hearsay at best, lies at worst. I'd say they are lies.

Ummm...THREE times her size....if you are going to argue about this, at least get the facts straight. Hearsay???? It's in the interview!! What do you mean "hearsay"? Oh, okay...I get it now... John's shirt fibers from his shirt...found on JB...a lie. The fibers from Patsy's jacket found entwined in the garotte, in the paint tote, on the sticky side of the tape covering JB's mouth...a lie. The oversized panties...a lie. SOOOO..it's all a huge lie to you? The whole interview was nothing but a lie?? Well, you at least got THAT part right...but the lying was being done by John and Patsy.

 

[Ames]

I am telling you that the sizes (one or both) of the panties pictured is incorrect. It is perfectly obvious that there is a much larger variation in size than the Bloomies chart indicates there should be.

You are projecting your own ideas onto PR and stating them as facts. YOU have no idea what she knows. Tell me, if there was a whole drawer of ones that fit, then why would PR put on a pair which (you say) were obviously much too big? If this was the case, she would have known it would cast suspicion on her. She had all the time in the world to go back upstairs and get a pair of her usual panties from the drawer and put them on her, or send her husband up for them.

Whatever...all I know is that JB wore a size 6-8...and the ones she was found wearing were size 12-14...that is actually THREE sizes too big for her. The sizes go like this...6-8, 8-10, 10-12, 12-14.....that is ...count them...three sizes too big. My theory is that it was pretty panicky in that house. JB was known to ask anybody and everybody to help wipe her when she went to the bathroom. So, just in case anybody had seen her size 6-8 Wednesday underwear that she actually had been wearing before...the larger Wednesday panties were placed on her after her death. I don't think that they really cared about the size at the time...just getting a pair of identical panties...except for the size of course...to place on her. I am sure that they didn't think that the size would be an issue....kinda of like the pineapple....or as Lou Smit (do you even know who HE is?) calls it...the "big bugaboo". IOW ...a big snare in the Ramsey story.

 

[Ames]

Whats all I've got? Interrogator lies? Unknown male DNA thrice? Unsourced cord? Unsourced tape? Unsourced handwriting, linguistics, and violent personality?

Mainstream media support? Letters of exhoneration from the DA?

Compared with when I started here,things are looking WAY up for IDI.



I've got tons, friend. Tons.

Yes, and that must be the reason that there are only two of you...IDI's.

 

[Ames]

I would agree with that. The panties would not be falling off of her, but they would have come off when her pants were removed. They would have also been big enough that they covered nothing and PR, should have and would have noticed. Not arguing Dave (LOL) I am agreeing......

Looking at those panties beside of one another...it's the leg holes that are so huge...

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Ummm...THREE times her size....if you are going to argue about this, at least get the facts straight. Hearsay???? It's in the interview!! What do you mean "hearsay"? Oh, okay...I get it now... John's shirt fibers from his shirt...found on JB...a lie. The fibers from Patsy's jacket found entwined in the garotte, in the paint tote, on the sticky side of the tape covering JB's mouth...a lie. The oversized panties...a lie. SOOOO..it's all a huge lie to you? The whole interview was nothing but a lie?? Well, you at least got THAT part right...but the lying was being done by John and Patsy.

Uh, yeah:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1290529

Deceptive Police Interrogation: how far is too far?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yes, and that must be the reason that there are only two of you...IDI's.

The rest have given up on you?

 

[SunnieRN]

Remember 6 year old girls do not have hips, some 12 year old girls do. There is a several inch difference, not only in the waist band, but the hips also. I am not sure they would have stayed up, if on without something over them.

 

[BOESP]

... I've got tons, friend. Tons.

Hope you also have a good pair of high-waders.

 

[UKGuy]

Yes, and that must be the reason that there are only two of you...IDI's.

Ames,

Really, and here was me thinking they were simply one and the same person. A sad person who likes lots and lots of attention, so says stuff like 'I've never seen any evidence, so the crime was never committed'.

Now I wonder why I ever thought there were people on this board who had multiple identities and always promoted similar arguments like absence of evidence and the DNA belongs to a stranger, except none of the invented DNA has been sequenced otherwise we would have been told if it was semen, follicle, sweat, or blood, DNA etc.


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