No Stun Gun but a N64 controller!

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Irish, you had one to many http:// in there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64

Hope this helps..

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  • #23
:eek: :blushing:

Thanks, Seeker!

:blowkiss:
 
  • #24
IrishMist said:
You know what else I like about this angle? If we combine what Toltec is saying, along with BC, we get an interesting story.

If BR was allowed to have a friend to come on vacation, you would most likely have a close friend of his. Let's call this friend Dan Smith. (DS here on out) I think that's a possibility. Let's say the Ramsey's made the Smith house their last stop on Christmas. But it wasn't just to drop off a goodie basket, it was also to pick up DS. It was late, JonBenet was asleep - didn't they blow off making another stop that night? But they still went to the Smiths.

You'd have Br, DS, and JonBenet up after hours.

Something horrible happens. Boys were playing Nintendo, she ends up strangled.

DS's parents are called. Let's say the boy's mother is a real "pit bull," with a forcefull personality. We'll call her Sandy Smith. (Or SS) The decision would be made to cover for the boys. Her husband, "Gary Smith" goes along.

You'd have 3 adults staging. (I think Patsy would be basically useless) That would explain how things just don't fit together in this crime.

You'd have BR walking out the door with the murder weapon.

Plus, I don't think the "Smith's" were called to come over the next morning with all of the other folks. Why would they be kept at a distance, when, under my hypothosis, they would be considered good friends? Good enough friends even, that if the R's wanted to, could have stayed at their house?
Ive always wondered why the Smiths werent called that morning along with everyone else. The Smith's also followed the Ram's to Atlanta.
 
  • #25
lady-eowyn said:
I typically don't hang out in this forum, but had done some reading on the Ramsey case...what I want to know is when you say the "Other end of the controller" made the marks that look like stun gun marks...what part of the controller are you talking about? I get the part that you are supposing could have made the triangular mark on her neck, but don't get what part made the stun gun marks...and I'm not real clear on where the stun gun marks were on JonBenet....anyone?

Amandab...if you google Jonbenet autopsy photos you will find several sites that have them...

Sorry for not answering sooner...just got back from out-of-town.

My theory is that Burke was playing his nintendo and JB insisted on getting a turn. When Burke refused, she yanked the controller right out of the N64 console and that enraged Burke.

The reason Burke became enraged was because when the controller gets pulled out of the console...then you have to start the game over again. That can cause serious frustration in just about anyone.

We all know JonBenet's history of being bratty and bothering Burke.

The N64 controller is strong enough to withstand the strangulation....but it was removed and replaced with a cord. Note the marks under the embedded wounds...indicating a previous strangulation.

The other end of the controller is the small part that is used to plug the controller into the console.

This is just one of my theories.
 
  • #26
The RST (Ramsey Spin Team) cannot accept that some of us believe in Ramsey innocence but NOT in all of the so called evidence. To them, if you don't believe in the stungun, the hi-tec print, the palmprint, no Burke's voice on the 911 tape ... then you are a "BORG!!!!" (imagine this being screeched and you'll get the picture :-))

I am quite used to being called BORG by the RST and quite frankly, it only strengthens my case that they are unobjective in viewing the facts in this case.

I believe that if it could be proved that a stungun were used, then it would strengthne the case for an intruder. However, I am not convinced that a stungun was used for a few simple reasons:-

1. The FACT that the autopsy report itself does not support the use of a stungun since Meyer describes the marks as abrasions and not burns.

2. The FACT that there is only one PAIR of marks and that to me does not a pattern make! I am not persuaded by RST whines that the white patch on her face is melted adhesive from the duct tape caused by the second prong from the "stungun" landing on the duct tape. Where does it describe a patch of adhesive on her face in the autopsy report? I'm sorry, but I think if it could be proved that a heat device had come in contact with the duct tape then Lou Smit would have been shouting it from the rooftops.

3. The fact that the #1 leading expert (and he is) - Dr Robert Stratbucker's does not believe the marks were made by a stungun. Noone has more experience of examining, studying and photographing stungun marks than Dr Stratbucker so his opinion cannot be simply dismissed!

4. The FACT that Doberson himself stated:-


[font=verdana,arial,helvetica]quote:[/font] the only definitive way to tell if electrocution was involved in JonBenet's death is to re-examine her body and look for "very characteristic" changes in skin tissue." "You really can't tell from a photo," Doberson said."
http://www.acandyrose.com/index2.htm


5. I did some careful comparisons myself with the assistance of a computer graphics specialist from Edinburgh University and we concluded that the pairs of marks on JonBenet did NOT match the marks made on a pig with an Air Taser. Apart from the fact that they in no way resembled the pig marks, the difference in spacing was not the same. I would like to add that the reason I undertook this little piece of research was because I was skeptical of the findings of a former member of WS called Cutter when he did his research. I set out to disprove him and ended up corroborating his work.

The RST are very anxious to try and discredit Dr Stratbucker and perhaps some day the good Dr will speak out and give his version of why he was withdrawn as a witness in the Wolf suit. I wouldn't be surprised if he had walked out in disgust at Lin WOod's underhand interview tactics.

I spent some time researching Dr Statbucker and his credentials are most impressive. He has acted as an expert witness in more States than anyone else, has written more papers and books, has been involved in most experiments and his experience goes back decades. In the extensive experiments where human guinea pigs were used, Dr Stratbucker monitored and photographed the marks closely over a period of 2 days. His papers describe the marks and the clinical changes they went through. I think that he is better placed than anyone to comment on photographs of potential stungun marks.

I find it compelling that jameson in her quest to spin pro-Ramsey will claim that the pigs in Doberson's experiments died and that some photos were taken which MORE closely resembled he marks on JonBenet than the ones we have seen. If this were the case, why weren't THOSE photos used to in the comparison to demonstrate the stungun case? That simply does not add up. Why not use the BEST test result? :-)

Such claims made falsely in an attempt to bolster the RST case, only serve to discredit them. We have seen several such examples where the truth was later revealed and it ws contrary to their claims made on the strength of "sorces which cannot be names". IMO, it just makes them lack credibility. I would urge readers to beware of any claims made on the stength of "sources who cannot be named" and to especially beware of posts at jameson's forum which are made in an attempt to discredit others but which do NOT include references to their sources. The reason that they are unsourced is because they are quite probably misrepresented!
 
  • #27
Toltec said:
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The N64 controller is strong enough to withstand the strangulation....but it was removed and replaced with a cord. Note the marks under the embedded wounds...indicating a previous strangulation.

The other end of the controller is the small part that is used to plug the controller into the console.
I get the theory, and I even get how the triangular mark could be made by the triangular part of the controller...but have a hard time seeing how the end that plugs into the console could have made the other marks...maybe seeing a picture of the plugs on the cord and the marks side by side would help me "get it"
 
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IrishMist said:
Plus, I don't think the "Smith's" were called to come over the next morning with all of the other folks. Why would they be kept at a distance, when, under my hypothosis, they would be considered good friends? Good enough friends even, that if the R's wanted to, could have stayed at their house?


The Rs did stay at their house for several months, plus the S family followed the Rs to Atlanta when they moved. We know that the Rs didn't call them over on the morning of the 26th along with the other friends. Interestingly, however, JR didn't even name these folks as friends during his deposition. Distancing, perhaps?

To add another twist to this theory, I have always wondered if Burke and friend even knew that JB was dead, if this scenario truly transpired. I could see the parents concocting a story to them that JB was going to be all right, sent Burke up to bed, DS back home, and they invented the intruder scene and staging not only to protect the kids legally (or so they thought at the time) but to also protect the kids from their own "demons" in thinking they had actually killed someone. That would explain Burke's statement "what did you find?" and also explain the Rs constant perceived attempts at distancing Burke from the crime scene along with the S family (not referred to as "friends", not called to the home, etc...) If one follows this line of thinking, then any interview that Burke gave to authorities would stay along the lines of JB being okay when Burke went to bed that night. In his mind, she would have been. All a supposition, of course.
 
  • #29
lady-eowyn said:
I get the theory, and I even get how the triangular mark could be made by the triangular part of the controller...but have a hard time seeing how the end that plugs into the console could have made the other marks...maybe seeing a picture of the plugs on the cord and the marks side by side would help me "get it"

I guess the best way for you to "get it" is to go to a video store where they buy and sell used video game systems like Nintendo64. You can then pull the plug out of the console and then you will get where I'm coming from.

I measured the triangular part of the N64 and it measured the same as the triangular abrasion on JonBenet's neck....
 
  • #30
Toltec said:
I guess the best way for you to "get it" is to go to a video store where they buy and sell used video game systems like Nintendo64. You can then pull the plug out of the console and then you will get where I'm coming from.

I measured the triangular part of the N64 and it measured the same as the triangular abrasion on JonBenet's neck....

That was a bit harsh...I don't get how it looks either.

Would the N64 triangular part also indent, or cut little chunks of the upper dermus too? You can't see this on the pix submitted in the USA (red triangle area is always blurred) because they aren't as clear as the ones that were show in the UK...
 
  • #31
Seeker said:
That was a bit harsh...I don't get how it looks either.

Would the N64 triangular part also indent, or cut little chunks of the upper dermus too? You can't see this on the pix submitted in the USA (red triangle area is always blurred) because they aren't as clear as the ones that were show in the UK...

Sorry to seem harsh...no intention to...but the only way anyone can understand where I'm coming from is to actually examine an Nintendo64 for themselves.

The N64 triangular part of the controller does not have any rough corners.

Edited to add that perhaps in the process of removing the controller off of JonBenet's neck, the person accidently scratched her.
 
  • #32
I'll take your word on the controller ends.

The clear photo of triangle region actually looked like a diamond (or other stone type ring) ring with several stones could have been pushed into it. It's hard to explain and I'm trying to find a clear pix of it. Used to have one on my puter ages ago, but lost it some time ago.
 
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Seeker said:
The clear photo of triangle region actually looked like a diamond (or other stone type ring) ring with several stones could have been pushed into it. It's hard to explain and I'm trying to find a clear pix of it. Used to have one on my puter ages ago, but lost it some time ago.


Seeker,

I think things are getting a little confused here. It seems you guys may be discussing two separate injuries on JonBenet.

The red triangular-shaped abrasion-like injury was in the front, on the left lower part of JonBenet's neck; and it measured about 1 1/2 x 3/4 inches.

The injury that seemed by some to have the imprint of a diamond ring in it was on JonBenet's right cheek near the ear; and it measured only 3/8 x 1/4 inch. This injury is also suspected of being a stungun burn.
 
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BlueCrab said:
Seeker,

I think things are getting a little confused here. It seems you guys may be discussing two separate injuries on JonBenet.

The red triangular-shaped abrasion-like injury was in the front, on the left lower part of JonBenet's neck; and it measured about 1 1/2 x 3/4 inches.

The injury that seemed by some to have the imprint of a diamond ring in it was on JonBenet's right cheek near the ear; and it measured only 3/8 x 1/4 inch. This injury is also suspected of being a stungun burn.
No we aren't confused and yes we are both discussing the triangle mark at the base and to the side of her neck.
You may be confused, but we aren't.

The photo's on the net and that were shown on Smit's power point presentation here were fuzzy. The ones shown in the UK were not. There were clearly marks within the triangle area...

I believe LP or Sylvia may still have that much clearer photo.
 
  • #36
Voice of Reason said:
Here are some pics and links that should help out...

WARNING!!! Pictures of the marks on JBR's body GRAPHIC!!!

End of an N64 controller

A look at what the controller plugs into (this should give a better idea of the shape of the controller plug
Thanks for posting that VOR....while I'm interested in this case I'm certainly not going out to electronic stores to research the shape of the controller plugs:rolleyes:

At anyrate, it's not the shape of the plugs that I now question, having compared that picture above with the marks....what I want to know is IF the controller cord was used, HOW did the ends of the plug get pushed so hard into the skin to make that mark. I can underdstand using the controller cord to choke someone, but in order for that shape to get embedded into the skin like that the controller plug would have to be pushed into the skin at almost a 90 degree angle. I don't think it's likely that if they controller cord was used that the plug WOULD get randomly pushed into the skin hard enough at a 90 degree angle to make that mark. It's possible, but not likely.
 
  • #37
I don't know, I can see it...

If the cord were wrapped tightly around JonBenet's neck, and the person holding the other end was pulling... JB would certainly start struggling...

I think it's possible.

Maybe this is part of my problem, why I can not decide on one theory or person... I think we may have to think outside of the box when it comes to this case. With the illogic of this crime, do we need to think illogically to solve it?
 
  • #38
IrishMist said:
I don't know, I can see it...

If the cord were wrapped tightly around JonBenet's neck, and the person holding the other end was pulling... JB would certainly start struggling...

I think it's possible.

Maybe this is part of my problem, why I can not decide on one theory or person... I think we may have to think outside of the box when it comes to this case. With the illogic of this crime, do we need to think illogically to solve it?
I know it's possible, it just doesn't seem the most likely scenario...that's a pretty clean mark on the skin...I'd say IF it were done by a N64 controller plug it would almost have to be deliberately pushed into the skin at that angle...there are no cord marks near that mark that resembles the plug...see where I'm coming from?
 
  • #39
I do, Lady.

And I can't say "yes, this is what happened."

Yet, I do think it has merit.

Not everything adds up in real life. Take a house fire, for example. You can have a house burn to the ground, and it's amazing what you can find afterwards. Do you know what I'm trying to say?? This case boggles my mind because I can never make the major elements of this case fit together. (Thinking logically.) So then I think that maybe we need to think illogically. Are you following my logic, here?? :)

Or, maybe not illogically, but outside of the box.

Or maybe I should just get more coffee, and not post until I'm better at putting thoughts into words!!
 

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