Norway Norway - Oslo - WhtFem 20-30 - Fake Name - Shot in Hotel Room - Jun'95 #2

[Marantz4250b]

And, further to my post of the other day; if anyone wants any specific photos of a Browning GP-35 I'll be able to do some tomorrow.

 

[AugustusWentworth]

Do we? The only things we have (unless I've forgotten something relevant) are what she wrote on the registration card. Lets not forget that she even spelled her name at least two different ways so I don't think we can put much faith in anything she wrote on it.

We don't know that she had any connections to where she gave as her address - anyone could write down any name and address but if they don't have documentation to prove it then it's meaningless. Verlaine may have no more relevance to her than perhaps being somewhere she passed through as a child on a family holiday for all we know.

In my opinion, people need to go back to first principles and start afresh; in reality there is very, very little we know to be provable facts about this case. We know that she was found shot dead in a hotel room with a few clothes, a Browning GP35 assembled from random parts in her hand and some ammo in a leather briefcase. None of that tells us a whole hell of a lot.

"According to a police document the Plaza woman tried to call two phone numbers in Belgium from the hotel. The numbers were identical except for one digit." Mystery at the Oslo Plaza

She was clearly trying to call someone there, for example, and she clearly had some knowledge of the area (while the address is fake, it is clearly based on real information - there is a Rue de la Station in Verlaine, she provided a realistic Belgian phone number, she provided an actual postcode from Luxembourg). Part of her gun was made in Belgium. Just to be clear, I'm not saying she was Belgian, I'm only saying that she had some ties to that area (maybe she lived there temporarily).

If I'm right (as I said, I submitted a potential match to The Doe Network and they submitted it to LE), she was just a runaway (not from Belgium)...

 

[AugustusWentworth]

"According to a police document the Plaza woman tried to call two phone numbers in Belgium from the hotel. The numbers were identical except for one digit." Mystery at the Oslo Plaza

She was clearly trying to call someone there, for example, and she clearly had some knowledge of the area (while the address is fake, it is clearly based on real information - there is a Rue de la Station in Verlaine, she provided a realistic Belgian phone number, she provided an actual postcode from Luxembourg). Part of her gun was made in Belgium. Just to be clear, I'm not saying she was Belgian, I'm only saying that she had some ties to that area (maybe she lived there temporarily).

If I'm right (as I said, I submitted a potential match to The Doe Network and they submitted it to LE), she was just a runaway (not from Belgium)...

Obviously, as I said, identifying the company name wouldn't add much, because she was most probably not working for that company anyway.

 

[ins71]

on: Norway - Norway - Oslo, WhtFem 20-30, Fake Name, shot in hotel room, Jun'95

Kerstin Schwindhammer is missing only since 31. October 1996. Reportedly (Kerstin Schwindhammer) she has 3 kids. Therefore she is not the Oslo Plaza Woman.

 

[ins71]

Regarding the attaché case shown here: Mystery at the Oslo Plaza

Manufacturer: German family imited partnership, founded 1887 registered in the companies register of the local court of Bad Kreuznach under HRA 2192 (Registerportal | Homepage)

Business address can be found here Impressum

Similar cases still sold by company (Business- & Laptoptaschen). Price range 300-450 €.

according to company history (Die Geschichte von BRAUN BÜFFEL) company expanded in 1980s:
"1980s: BRAUN BÜFFEL continued its expansion. Extensive collections for men and women were created, offering a wide variety of models. The production area was also enlarged, reaching a total of 2,000 sqm of production, storage, and office space. At the same time, the brand’s internationalization advanced, both in Europe and in Asia. In the Asia-Pacific region, BRAUN BÜFFEL entered into an alliance with its licensing partner Lianbee-Jeco in Singapore, which continues to this day. Today, BRAUN BÜFFEL is present with small leather goods in the traditional leather goods retail trade, with 1,000 points of sale across German-speaking countries, the Benelux region, the United Kingdom, Eastern Europe, and Asia."

"Today" in the above paragraph means 2025, not described in the company history is the market presence in in detail during the 1980-1990s.

Current company outlets (seem to be newer development according to company history) and distributors (department stores and specialty retailers) can be found here STORES & OUTLETS. However, that does not reflect the circumstances during the 1980-1990s.

the Büffel trademark has been registered 1980 (DPMAregister | Registerauskunft des Deutschen Patent-und Markenamtes (DPMA)). That does not mean that the company has not used the logo prior to the registration.

I assume that authorities and amateurs have already asked the company during which period this specific model has been distributed and in which countries their products have been sold in the 1990s. However I have not found information whether and how they answered.

 

[ins71]

Minor addition:

According to the company history BRAUN BÜFFEL entered into an alliance with a licensing partner Lianbee-Jeco in Singapore. According to the trademark registry entry is owner of the buffalo trademark a company with Singapore corporate seat (BB Global Holdings Pte. Ltd., Singapur, SG). According to Singapore company search ( BB GLOBAL HOLDINGS PTE. LTD. (201529217D) ) BB Global Holdings Pte. Ltd. and Lianbee-Jeco have the same business address: 315 OUTRAM ROAD, #09-09, TAN BOON LIAT BUILDING, Singapore 169074. So it might be that BB Global Holdings and Lianbee-Jeco are part of one group of companies and that the reference to "licensing partner" means that Lianbee-Jeco licenced the trademark to Braun Büffel KG. In this case it would be unlikely that Braun Büffel KG used the buffalo logo prior to the registration of the trademark in 1980 by BB Global Holdings. That would narrow the sales date of the case down to the period between 1980-1995.

 

[ins71]

regarding the shoes depicted here (Mystery at the Oslo Plaza):

The manufacturer/brand label has been removed (to conceal the wearer’s whereabouts / place of purchase (likely), or for comfort reasons (unlikely)). If foul play were involved, the perpetrator would not have had enough time to remove all manufacturer labels from the clothing. I therefore assume that the victim had already methodically removed the labels before departure in order to conceal traces that could contribute to her identification. As far as I have seen in the thread, nobody has yet taken a closer look at the application / decorative patch on the heel. The photo is quite pixelated and taken from an unfavorable angle. Cropped enlargement:
Right shoe:

Left Shoe:

As far as I can make out, the patch is rectangular with its upper corners slightly pulled upward. The patch appears to be edged with a gold-colored border. Inside die golden border the color of the patch seems to match the black color of the shoe. However, shifted from the center to the right, a reddish area can still be seen, with a highlight appearing in its center (slightly shifted to the upper left corner . It is not clear whether this is a flat print or an object (glass crystal?)." If it is a crystal-like object, the highlight could be a reflection of the camera flash (this is supported by the fact that the orientation of the highlight points toward the imaginary axis of the camera lens).

It is possible that additional ornaments are attached to the patch.

Attempt by author of this post of a rectified view of the patch, view from the back:

I do not assume that the patch is a trademark-like feature that the manufacturer places on all of its models, but rather a fashionable decorative application on that specific shoe. Nevertheless, the patch could make it possible to determine the manufacturer and, as a consequence, draw conclusions about the distribution chain / place of purchase, and thus about the victim’s movement profile.

 

[ins71]

Further observations regarding the shoes shown here (Mystery at the Oslo Plaza) .

The creases/flex marks in the leather suggest that the shoes were not new but have already been worn for some time. It is possible that the wearer is not accustomed to using shoe trees. The wear on the letters MAD in ‘MADE IN ITALY’ (decreasing from left to right) also points to extended use (I assume that the magnification shown by VG is an image of the interior and not of the sole of the shoe. After all, in VG’s image of the right shoe, a faint white lettering can be seen, which could be the country-of-origin marking shown in the magnification.).

Assuming that a well-to-do lady in her mid-20s owns at least 20 pairs of shoes which she wears in rotation, I conclude that these shoes were purchased earlier than 1995.

The differing wear on the country-of-origin marking suggests that the wearer tended to place more weight on the inner side of the right foot when stepping. On the other hand, the heel sole of the left shoe does not show oblique wear. Rather, the heel sole appears to have been recently replaced.

 

[maestro]

I’ve always thought she was an ex stasi or East German spy been decommissioned for the wall coming down

 

[maestro]

I’ve always thought she was an ex stasi or East German spy been decommissioned for the wall coming down

There’s a similar female spy dispatched in Norway years earlier the isdal woman or something

 

[ins71]

Some info on the turquoise-green travel bag from the German manufacturer Travelite VG shows here (Mystery at the Oslo Plaza)

I assume travelite GmbH + Co. KG, Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRA 63382 is meant. contact details can be found here: Impressum Travelite | Kundenservice

The limited partnership has been founded 10.11.1961 according to the companies register.

The trademark register (DPMAregister | Registerauskunft des Deutschen Patent-und Markenamtes (DPMA)) shows 15 registered designs for travelite. The travel bag mentioned above is not among those designs.

26 trademarks (word trademarks and combined word/figurative trademarks) can be found in the trademark register.

The picture shown by VG is very pixelated. However, the enlarged lettering applied to the bag looks like that:

One can make out the lettering travelite. It can be seen that the letter ‘v’ is displaced downward. This is interesting, since the company registered this lettering (because of its distinctive typography) as a word/figurative mark in Germany in 1977 (registration number 967945). The protection remained in force until 2007.

An attempt to register the trademark internationally 1990 was not successful:

However, we can assume so far that the travel bag has been produced after 1977.

Current distributors can be found here: Händlersuche bei Travelite | Verkaufsstellen (Focus: Germany, Denmark, Belgium)
However, that gives no idea about the distribution net of travelite in the period up to 1995.

I assume that authorities and amateurs have already asked travelite regarding the bag (production period, distribution chain, etc.) However, I found nothing whether and how they answered.

 

[maestro]

Further observations regarding the shoes shown here (Mystery at the Oslo Plaza) .

The creases/flex marks in the leather suggest that the shoes were not new but have already been worn for some time. It is possible that the wearer is not accustomed to using shoe trees. The wear on the letters MAD in ‘MADE IN ITALY’ (decreasing from left to right) also points to extended use (I assume that the magnification shown by VG is an image of the interior and not of the sole of the shoe. After all, in VG’s image of the right shoe, a faint white lettering can be seen, which could be the country-of-origin marking shown in the magnification.).
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Assuming that a well-to-do lady in her mid-20s owns at least 20 pairs of shoes which she wears in rotation, I conclude that these shoes were purchased earlier than 1995.

The differing wear on the country-of-origin marking suggests that the wearer tended to place more weight on the inner side of the right foot when stepping. On the other hand, the heel sole of the left shoe does not show oblique wear. Rather, the heel sole appears to have been recently replaced.
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Spy’s tend to use second hand shoes and change their gait

 

[ins71]

Further considerations on the travel bag:

A remotely similar travel bag with the downward v trademark is currently on ebay under no. 225975695436 to be sold as “Vintage Travelite sports/travel bag, black, turquoise and green, 1980s–1990s”. Compared with the Buffalo Braun attache case the travel bag looks like low-cost mass production. I do not consider the attache case as a luxury good (as VG implies) but as solid quality with an affordable price. However, the travel bag falls into a different price category. The victim’s taste and willingness to spend on luggage is not entirely consistent. I understood that in the travel bag were clothes of the victim, while in the attache case were no personal belongings. However, maybe the attache case has a different owner. The attache case does not look particularly feminine. The leather appears coarse, and the handles seem somewhat thick for small hands. At least nowadays Braun Büffel has more feminine models in the collection, like the HANNA Business Tote schwarz.

Were the receptionists asked whether they noticed both pieces of luggage during check-in? In the netflix episode the victim uses a medium trolley suitcase. I understood that such trolley has not been found in the hotel room. Is the trolley confirmed by the receptionists or is the trolley the filmmaker’s creative freedom and imagination?

Even more disturbing is that reportedly in the hotel room no toiletry bag /cosmetics have been found. It is hardly credible that a lady would travel without such items. Even if she had forgotten them at home, one would expect her at least to request a toothbrush at the reception. Furthermore according to an eyewitness there was another pair of shoes in the hotel room. However why should a third party remove shoes and a toiletry bag from the hotel room and let more valuable goods (as the attache case) behind?

 

[maestro]

Further considerations on the travel bag:

A remotely similar travel bag with the downward v trademark is currently on ebay under no. 225975695436 to be sold as “Vintage Travelite sports/travel bag, black, turquoise and green, 1980s–1990s”. Compared with the Buffalo Braun attache case the travel bag looks like low-cost mass production. I do not consider the attache case as a luxury good (as VG implies) but as solid quality with an affordable price. However, the travel bag falls into a different price category. The victim’s taste and willingness to spend on luggage is not entirely consistent. I understood that in the travel bag were clothes of the victim, while in the attache case were no personal belongings. However, maybe the attache case has a different owner. The attache case does not look particularly feminine. The leather appears coarse, and the handles seem somewhat thick for small hands. At least nowadays Braun Büffel has more feminine models in the collection, like the HANNA Business Tote schwarz.

Were the receptionists asked whether they noticed both pieces of luggage during check-in? In the netflix episode the victim uses a medium trolley suitcase. I understood that such trolley has not been found in the hotel room. Is the trolley confirmed by the receptionists or is the trolley the filmmaker’s creative freedom and imagination?

Even more disturbing is that reportedly in the hotel room no toiletry bag /cosmetics have been found. It is hardly credible that a lady would travel without such items. Even if she had forgotten them at home, one would expect her at least to request a toothbrush at the reception. Furthermore according to an eyewitness there was another pair of shoes in the hotel room. However why should a third party remove shoes and a toiletry bag from the hotel room and let more valuable goods (as the attache case) behind?

Possibly these were real personal items that were not made generic? And would give clues to her origin? This is what you deal with in the dark arts, for example the spy in the bag, his phone was factory restored before his discovery

 

[CrossNokind]

Spy’s tend to use second hand shoes and change their gait

Yes, she might have used second items and this method was used by spies.

The reason why this case is not solved is because people keep going back to the suicide theory or trying to search at the wrong database ( Jane Doe). Jennifer is not on the Jane Doe project.

The person who commits suicide will NOT take a shower or try to iron their clothes. The food in her stomach was not fully digested which means someone killed her on Friday night/ Saturday very early morning.

As a German who lived in 90's in West Germany. I know after the reunification most Stasi agents joined KGB( Russian intelligence agency). Putin was a former Stasi agent who joined the KGB. This makes the most sense since East Germany was a Soviet controlled area.To this day, there a lot of East Europeans especially from Russia living in Eastern part of Germany.

At first I thought she was a Mossad agent but if she is from East German and she spoke German then she most likely a KGB agent/former Stasi. So she wouldn't be there for the Israel and Palestine conflict.

Jennifer Fergate is most likely a name giving to her by agency. KGB agents used deceased babies names as their agent names.
They also use orphans as their spies.

During the Cold War, Russian agents ( also Mossad agents) would live near the NATO base in Belgium to gather intelligence on NATO developed and planned (in research) weapons. KGB agents also focused on gather information on NATO's political strategy so they could disrupt President elections, execute assassinations, etc.

Was she there to gather information about Cerebus defense system that was planned to be build by Belgium/NATO?

Norway was the location for NATO weapons to be tested and this is where scientists/ weapon developers from different NATO countries came to discuss, test and develop those weapons at the same Hotel that Jennifer died.

Jennifer called two phone numbers from the Hotel. Both numbers don't exist. However, Beligian Telekom found out that there are 7 numbers almost the same as once she tried to dial them. The locations are Grâce-Hollogne and Seraing which are 1 hour away from the NATO headquarters in Brussels.

The more I look at this case and read about Jennifer I think she was a KGB agent/former Stasi. I don't know why she was exactly at that Hotel. I am sure Mister F who stayed at 2804 killed Jennifer Fergate. Why did he kill her? A Norwegian female hotel guest who stayed at 2818 said she saw foreign couple ( Jennifer and Mister F I believe) arguing about something.

Was this a couple (Jennifer and Mister F) argument that let to a murder? Two agents who botched a mission and one of them killed the other to hid the fact something went wrong?

Note: I also wanted to add that the Isdal woman was most likely a Mossad agent.

 

[maestro]

Yes, she might have used second items and this method was used by Jennifer Fergate was a definitely a spy.

The reason why this case is not solved is because people keep going back to the suicide theory or trying to search at the wrong database ( Jane Doe). Jennifer is not on the Jane Doe project.

The person who commits suicide will NOT take a shower or try to iron their clothes. The food in her stomach was not fully digested which means someone killed her on Friday night/ Saturday very early morning.

As a German who lived in 90's in West Germany. I know after the reunification most Stasi agents joined KGB( Russian intelligence agency). Putin was a former Stasi agent who joined the KGB. This makes the most sense since East Germany was a Soviet controlled area.To this day, there a lot of East Europeans especially from Russia living in Eastern part of Germany.

At first I thought she was a Mossad agent but if she is from East German and she spoke German then she most likely a KGB agent/former Stasi. So she wouldn't be there for the Israel and Palestine conflict.

Jennifer Fergate is most likely a name giving to her by agency. KGB agents used deceased babies names as their agent names.
They also use orphans as their spies.

During the Cold War, Russian agents ( also Mossad agents) would live near the NATO base in Belgium to gather intelligence on NATO developed and planned (in research) weapons. KGB agents also focused on gather information on NATO's political strategy so they could disrupt President elections, execute assassinations, etc.

Was she there to gather information about Cerebus defense system that was planned to be build by Belgium/NATO?

Norway was the location for NATO weapons to be tested and this is where scientists/ weapon developers from different NATO countries came to discuss, test and develop those weapons at the same Hotel that Jennifer died.

Jennifer called two phone numbers from the Hotel. Both numbers don't exist. However, Beligian Telekom found out that there are 7 numbers almost the same as once she tried to dial them. The locations are Grâce-Hollogne and Seraing which are 1 hour away from the NATO headquarters in Brussels.

The more I look at this case and read about Jennifer I think she was a KGB agent/former Stasi. I don't know why she was exactly at that Hotel. I am sure Mister F who stayed at 2804 killed Jennifer Fergate. Why did he kill her? A Norwegian female hotel guest who stayed at 2818 said she saw foreign couple ( Jennifer and Mister F I believe) arguing about something.

Was this a couple (Jennifer and Mister F) argument that let to a murder? Two agents who botched a mission and one of them killed the other to hid the fact something went wrong?

Note: I also wanted to add that the Isdal woman was most likely a Mossad agent.

Yeah spot that’s the way I’m thinking to, was undecided on isdal woman thought she might have been kgb/ex stasi to the expensive dental work gives them away I can’t remember think her work was linked to hungry

 

[CrossNokind]

Yeah spot that’s the way I’m thinking to, was undecided on isdal woman thought she might have been kgb/ex stasi to the expensive dental work gives them away I can’t remember think her work was linked to hungry

I thought the Isdal woman was a KGB agent, too. However, the isotopes in her dental work leads to Nuremberg, Bavaria (Bayern) which lies in West Germany (before the reunification of West and East Germany).

Most West German spies were linked to Israel and were Mossad agents. I also think both Jennifer Fergate and Isdal woman were
German spies working for foreign intellegencies such KGB and Mossad.

They also both lived in Belgium at the time of their death. Belgium used and still is the hot spot for foreign spy agencies ( spies from all over the world live in Belgium) because the NATO base/headquarter is in Belgium.

 

[maestro]

I thought the Isdal woman was a KGB agent, too. However, the isotopes in her dental work leads to Nuremberg, Bavaria (Bayern) which lies in West Germany (before the reunification of West and East Germany).

Most West German spies were linked to Israel and were Mossad agents. I also think both Jennifer Fergate and Isdal woman are German spies working for foreign intellegencies such KGB and Mossad.

They also both lived in Belgium at the time of their death. Belgium used and still is the hot spot for foreign spy agencies ( spies from all over the world live in Belgium) because the NATO base/headquarter is in Belgium.

Yeah I’m just thinking kgb and Russia because of the timing and massive oil reserves back then but now that you say mossad I remember the description of the men who dispatched her were said to have olive skin Mediterranean like. So possibly another two mossad agents to dispatch think they propped her on stones to aid decomposition to. So that’s text book dark arts

 

[ins71]

I start a list with suicide cases where the victim held a pistol in “cadaveric spasm” and/or the thumb was in the trigger guard (trigger pulled by thumb)

A. Scientific articles

1. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2090536X11000347 "The deceased was found lying on his right side. The pistol was in his right hand and the thumb was in the trigger guard, while the other fingers were firmly holding the grip in “cadaveric spasm”"; "door was locked from the inside"; "The firearm experts confirmed the assumption of near firing by revealing the same type of gunpowder from the deceased’s hand,"; The gunshot entry wound to the head was in the middle of the skull vault."; [fulltext available]
2. according to article mentioned under 1, footnote 6 the following article "C.G. Jan, B.S.T. Billy; Weapon location following suicidal gunshot wounds; Am J Forensic Med Pathol, 20 (1) (1999), pp. 1-5" comprises a "study on weapon location following suicidal gunshot wounds revealed that the gun remained in the hand of the deceased person in 24% of the cases, while in 69% of the cases, the gun was on or near the body but not in the hand (i.e., touching the body or within 30 cm of the body)"; [fulltext not found yet]
3. Unusual blood spatter patterns on the firearm and hand: a backspatter analysis to reconstruct the position and orientation of a firearm - PubMed "Due to the unusual bloodspatter stains on the hands and the firearm, it was possible to deduce the position and orientation of the hands and the firearm of the deceased. We could reconstruct that the man held the weapon in his right hand, using the left hand to stabilise the firearm and the right thumb to pull the trigger."; [abstract available]

B. Other reports

1. The Mysterious Death of Kurt Cobain "Lying on the floor, with the shotgun’s stock gripped between his sneaker-clad feet, he pulled the trigger with his thumb."
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Vince_Foster; "He was found holding a Colt .38 Special in his right hand, his thumb hooked through the trigger guard."

C. Offtopic but also interesting:

1. https://www.researchgate.net/public...p_Impressions_on_the_Hands_of_Suicide_Victims ; [fulltext available]
2. Blood-spatter patterns: hands hold clues for the forensic reconstruction of the sequence of events - PubMed Case Reports; Am J Forensic Med Pathol; 2003 Jun;24(2):132-40.; Blood-spatter patterns: hands hold clues for the forensic reconstruction of the sequence of events
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[CrossNokind]

Yeah I’m just thinking kgb and Russia because of the timing and massive oil reserves back then but now that you say mossad I remember the description of the men who dispatched her were said to have olive skin Mediterranean like. So possibly another two mossad agents to dispatch think they propped her on stones to aid decomposition to. So that’s text book dark arts

I would like to retract my previous statement about the Isdal Woman being a Mossad agent. This case is so difficult to figure out what happened to Isdalen woman and who she is.

If this is true:

In June 2023, the Swiss newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung (New Journal of Zürich) published a story about an insurance fact checker who became intrigued by the mystery of the Isdal woman. According to the unnamed fact checker's research, the unidentified woman was linked to the Swiss banker François Genoud. He was a supporter of Hitler and his Nazi ideology. He was also friends with Wadi Haddad, a Palestinian terrorist leader. Inquiries have placed the Isdal woman in Paris at the same time as Genoud and Haddad. This raises the question—was the Isdal woman a Palestinian agent and did the Israeli foreign intelligence service Mossad have anything to do with her death?

from this website: Isdalen Woman connection to Swiss banker

I never heard of Palestinian spy from West Germany. She could be either Mossad or Palestinian spy. I knew that she was somehow linked to Israel and Palestine conflict.

This would make sense why she looked Mediterranean if she was Palestinian spy. Her facial features also didn't look like someone from Israel but still someone/or her parents from Middle East region.

I don't think the Mossad killed the Isdalen woman. A young man with his father saw a woman who looked like the Isdalen woman walk up the mountain with two men which I think were Norwegian agents.

Prior to her death, the Isdalen woman was caught taking pictures of testing sites of NATO/Norwegian weapons by two Norwegian Fisher men from Bergen. They reported her to Norwegian police.

I believe that Norwegian police/spy agency abducted her from the train station where she was about to leave Bergen. Her luggage was found at the train station.

Then two Norwegian agents told her to walk with them up the hill. Forced her to eat 50 pills and after that burned her alive. She was alive when she was burned because of the fencing position which are natural reflex of your body when something bad is happening to you.

Compared to Jennifer Fergate case, Norwegian agencies & Government did little to no help with solving the Isdalen woman case.



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