NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #10

[Gooddeeds]

Thanks Spellbound.
From link

Prosecutors said Haig’s fingerprints were found on some of the unfired high-caliber rounds at the crime scene and that armor-piercing casings recovered from Paddock’s hotel room bore tool marks matching the “reloading” equipment they said Haig used to assemble ammunition cartridges.


So, unfired and fired?

Go back to the NYT, I believe it answers that.

 

[kittythehare]

“JUST TWO.” How suspicious is that!?!?

The evidence they are claiming is the box with Haigs name and address on it. That doesn’t sound like a SP detail maneuver, in regards to meticulously covering his tracks.

no, more than 2, see Spellbound's link.. below.. from just now..

But, still not sure whether scattery news pieces all falling at same time is deliberate or because of the day thats in it

 

[kittythehare]

CHARGING DOCUMENT, pdf, 13 pages:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4365786/DHaig-CriminalComplaint.pdf

well done you finding that!
Thank you.

 

[watergirl62]

The picture of the doorway taken from the hall looking in, without police tape in the following article is very different from other pictures I've seen (with police tape). If this has already been discussed, will someone please point me in the right direction to read everyone's thoughts?
http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/24/new-p...255894/?ito=desktop.article.share.top.twitter

Weird. I was pretty sure the post url I replied with above would land you in the right place but it doesn't look like it did in tapatalk.

Thread 9 post 850ish.

 

[kittythehare]

Massive difference in FBI warrants and lVPD warrants!!
No ambiguity at all here.

But no evidence either that connects Paddock to the business operated by Haig apart from being a customer..
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4365786/DHaig-CriminalComplaint.pdf

I do wonder how many people are selling these type munitions?
How many are used in serious crimes?

 

[watergirl62]

CHARGING DOCUMENT, pdf, 13 pages:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4365786/DHaig-CriminalComplaint.pdf

On one hand it seems they are really reaching based on the evidence found at MB but on the other hand they really do need to make an example of him IMO. With further digging, it does sound like he was expanding his product line and people were intrigued by the AP novelty. And he wasn't licensed to sell them. Busted!

I don't see anything particularly outrageous about any of this. It's a good PR move. Looks good on paper. They really needed some results and an action item. Kumbaya... .

 

[auburnmomof2]

Just a whiplash burning curiosity???
We had been discussing door photos 2 and 16 in the FIT report.
Is the photo with the crime scene tape not in the FIT report at all???

I haven't been following this case lately and just started digging into it. Going to look back at the old posts where this was discussed.

 

[MsFacetious]

“JUST TWO.” How suspicious is that!?!?

The evidence they are claiming is the box with Haigs name and address on it. That doesn’t sound like a SP detail maneuver, in regards to meticulously covering his tracks.

He also left MD's players card. Maybe he wasn't interested in covering for OTHER people.

 

[kittythehare]

On one hand it seems they are really reaching based on the evidence found at MB but on the other hand they really do need to make an example of him IMO. With further digging, it does sound like he was expanding his product line and people were intrigued by the AP novelty. And he wasn't licensed to sell them. Busted!

I don't see anything particularly outrageous about any of this. It's a good PR move. Looks good on paper. They really needed some results and an action item. Kumbaya... .

Armour piercing hadn't much to do with LV shooting.. just the tanks..
BUT what the hell are they going to be doing about the child ?
Where was he getting that nad was he a buyer or a seller?

 

[Gooddeeds]

no, more than 2, see Spellbound's link.. below.. from just now..

But, still not sure whether scattery news pieces all falling at same time is deliberate or because of the day thats in it

There were “the two” and the others. That’s what I thought you meant.

 

[Gooddeeds]

He also left MD's players card. Maybe he wasn't interested in covering for OTHER people.

That’s right, good point. Me me me me

 

[watergirl62]

Armour piercing hadn't much to do with LV shooting.. just the tanks..
BUT what the hell are they going to be doing about the child ?
Where was he getting that nad was he a buyer or a seller?

AP and LV shooting... no direct cause and effect, no. But if you were on stage and somebody handed you a rabbit in a hat, what would you do? [emoji195]

Not that the feds care what anyone thinks but I am sure there was internal directive to find something, anything!

It's nice to see results for all the taxpayers money spent on the man hours and investigation work. That's how it supposed to work, yes? Anti-climatic to be sure, but I will take it. [emoji818]

OT: I can't wait to see/tell DH, he reloads, and will be interested in the unique signature from Haig's press. Very cool! Not that he sells, he makes large caliber personal supply only (300, 50 and 45 cal).

I have no idea what will happen about the child , but I certainly hope it is being investigated by another group of feds in a land very far from LV.

 

[kittythehare]

AP and LV shooting... no direct cause and effect, no. But if you were on stage and somebody handed you a rabbit in a hat, what would you do? [emoji195]

Not that the feds care what anyone thinks but I am sure there was internal directive to find something, anything!

It's nice to see results for all the taxpayers money spent on the man hours and investigation work. That's how it supposed to work, yes? Anti-climatic to be sure, but I will take it. [emoji818]

OT: I can't wait to see/tell DH, he reloads, and will be interested in the unique signature from Haig's press. Very cool! Not that he sells, he makes large caliber personal supply only (300, 50 and 45 cal).

I have no idea what will happen about the child , but I certainly hope it is being investigated by another group of feds.

Your synopsis/analysis yesterday/last night was spot on!
So are we now merely looking at a squeaky clean hotel which observed all health and safety rules and procedures with adequate escape routes from concert, good access for medical personnel and enough security staff and a very messy PD?
Is that all we have?

Await his autopsy from a coroner who is reluctant to release it for reasons known only to himself, and a full report that may come by next Christmas?
I feel as though we are all being horribly manipulated and the victims disrespected.

 

[CARIIS]

So this is the one (charge) that was coming? We are now back to nothing?

I think what is being called child is actually a human trafficking thing.

According to several reports over time he like rough sex.

Don't know if that is accurate but a sexual offender will typically be aware of the risks of leaving marks on a child.

I think we need to go back further.

He left Morton in 88. So now we have an unemployed person with some income.

Or to put it another way the last time this person was gainfully employed was in 1988.

Connect dots....

Claims he made millions playing video gambling games.

Casinos will ban regular big winners.

They comp big players who LOSE>

We are asked to believe that casinos will keep machines that keep paying out millions of dollars> That is not how capitalism works folks!

The story they want the world to believe
is that this genus is making millions off them so lets give him comps on us so he can keep coming and taking our money.

What better game could there be other than a system where he lauders his trafficking or drug or arms money through the MB for fee for MB.

Stick lots of money in their machine make it look like he won sometimes (which provides an income stream), and the house takes some of the dirty money.

All along (people who knew him ) kept saying he was carrying on about being this big gambler. In normal life people do ask what do you for a living. Its a perfect cover for a criminal.

[FONT=&amp]Money laundering is a federal offense. A little payola here or there and LE can look the other way if their personal banking accounts benefit from looking the other way. Corruption[/FONT][FONT=&amp]! Unheard of LV![/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Connect dots....[/FONT]

Its a win win for him and hotel.

Would certainly explain MB secrecy and paying for housing and security for a rent a cop. Someone or something messed up the racket - and ya got some pissed off mobsters/ terrorists whatever.

He had two planes. Who really needs two planes? It certainly was not like he was living a sophisticated travelers life. He schelped around in sweatpants , and flaps - hardly a jet setter!

A drug dealer an arms dealer a human trafficker would sure use two working planes. These were not gold plated planes. Early on I saw what they were. They were not 5 star A380'S! The were dumpy little twin props. Far more suitable for dirty guns than asking Madona to come for a visit ! Ha !

Connect dots.

We must take off blinders and look what we got :

that Philippine Children’s Fund of America,- which is a CA charity --that provides a transitional home for American children from the Philippines. Sleuth it!

Connect dots

We got Paradise Ranches owned by these people - that are all children involved.

We got the one in LV that closed in a hurry right after the shooting.

Connect dots folks!

He suddenly lets his license expire. That would correlate with being busted and condition of a court as it relates to a plea deal that he will work for a three letter agency.

I have linked this before -- sleuth around a bit on it : The Paradise Ranch in the philippines is right next to former US Air Force base in the Clark Freeport Zone in Angeles City – well-known international hub of the darkest trade in the world, child sex trafficking.

The reason SWAT was not called cause those involved knew something went south, he was dead, and would pose no further threat.

I dont think they thought other shooters would be bought into the tradegy -- that further complicated the cover up.

Think payola and much makes sense . There were probably rumblings for quite some time that things were falling apart or gonna come apart . That would explain selling off the stocks a quarter of a year before something bad happens. They knew there racket was in trouble.

Connect the dots.....

It seems as if this reality is not being explored here. Play around with it and connect some dots guys! He is sending her payments (plural) in the philippines.

Put on thinking caps -- take data we know (abovementioned) and a whole lot of stuff makes a lot more sense than the cra@ that makes no sense .

These notions explain far more than any LE person.

Throw in a fondness for cruising -- what kids are not gonna be excited to go on a cruise?

Look how cute SP/ ML family is -- a perfect way to traffick children -- cruise lines. At port you leave the poor kids there - their kids think about it. Cruising is a perfect conveyor belt for trafficking.

He is taking cruises to the middle east. Lots of luggage on long cruises is par for the industry. Arms movements to terrorists.

To be frank here, this is the first time I have ever seen mainstream media just flat out blow off ISIS claim to involvement.

This is the ONLY time that I recall that this has happened. It usually gets a ton of news cycles - why in this instance is this blown off. Because it has relevance but its a white american caught up in the mayhem.

Come on guys its all right in front of our eyes.

Were talking big money

Were talking criminality , that over time may have evolved into other forms of illegality

[FONT=&amp]Connect dots....[/FONT]

Kinda like Burger King adding a different burger here and there.

He was at times into drug running arms running human trafficking dealing with terrorists our govt had some involvement in some portions at some time in the enterprise.

That night I remember it being really strange when Lombardo described the lady as a roommate.

A roomate - how silly is that at there ages? Pretty silly. It was an trial balloon to see if they could distance him and her in a criminal operation that feds were aware of , participating in and needing to cover up...........................

Why the relentless need for the world to bury their heads in the sand when so much data is right in front of the medias face, in reality, makes the above mentioned far more on target than the nonsense played.

Who keeps a safe in their garage? Obviouly the door was open often enough for people to report it. Kinda easy to have custumers stop by for pickup if your off somewhere making some deal !!

What people who don't put anything INSIDE their home put up secrecy fencing? People that need secrecy.

It certainly explains lots more than anyone in LE has .................

Its right in front of us.................in some form or way abovementioned moo

guys..................................

 

[CARIIS]

Your synopsis/analysis yesterday/last night was spot on!
So are we now merely looking at a squeaky clean hotel which observed all health and safety rules and procedures with adequate escape routes from concert, good access for medical personnel and enough security staff and a very messy PD?
Is that all we have?

Await his autopsy from a coroner who is reluctant to release it for reasons known only to himself, and a full report that may come by next Christmas?
I feel as though we are all being horribly manipulated and the victims disrespected.

Sadly at the end of the day all we are talking about is corruption money greed nothing more nor less

there are always victims when there is curruption

 

[CARIIS]

From the article



Didn`t he sell SP tracer ammunition not armor-piercing bullets? Perhaps I`m confused as to what this arrest has to do with the mass shooting?

In the guys interview he said tracer ammunition cause he wanted to pretend to be Disney World and put a firework like show for some friends

I laughed when I heard that -- gets stupider and stupider

 

[watergirl62]

Sadly at the end of the day all we are talking about is corruption money greed nothing more nor less

there are always victims when there is curruption

"When you bring an act into this town, you want to bring it in heavy. Don’t waste any time with cheap shucks and misdemeanors. Go straight for the jugular. Get right into felonies. The mentality of Las Vegas is so grossly atavistic that a really massive crime often slips by unrecognized.”

Hunter S Thompson
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

 

[ocgrad]

So this is the one (charge) that was coming? We are now back to nothing?

I think what is being called child is actually a human trafficking thing.

According to several reports over time he like rough sex.

Don't know if that is accurate but a sexual offender will typically be aware of the risks of leaving marks on a child.

I think we need to go back further.

He left Morton in 88. So now we have an unemployed person with some income.

Or to put it another way the last time this person was gainfully employed was in 1988.

Connect dots....

Claims he made millions playing video gambling games.

Casinos will ban regular big winners.

They comp big players who LOSE>

We are asked to believe that casinos will keep machines that keep paying out millions of dollars> That is not how capitalism works folks!

The story they want the world to believe
is that this genus is making millions off them so lets give him comps on us so he can keep coming and taking our money.

What better game could there be other than a system where he lauders his trafficking or drug or arms money through the MB for fee for MB.

Stick lots of money in their machine make it look like he won sometimes (which provides an income stream), and the house takes some of the dirty money.

All along (people who knew him ) kept saying he was carrying on about being this big gambler. In normal life people do ask what do you for a living. Its a perfect cover for a criminal.

[FONT=&amp]Money laundering is a federal offense. A little payola here or there and LE can look the other way if their personal banking accounts benefit from looking the other way. Corruption[/FONT][FONT=&amp]! Unheard of LV![/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Connect dots....[/FONT]

Its a win win for him and hotel.

Would certainly explain MB secrecy and paying for housing and security for a rent a cop. Someone or something messed up the racket - and ya got some pissed off mobsters/ terrorists whatever.

He had two planes. Who really needs two planes? It certainly was not like he was living a sophisticated travelers life. He schelped around in sweatpants , and flaps - hardly a jet setter!

A drug dealer an arms dealer a human trafficker would sure use two working planes. These were not gold plated planes. Early on I saw what they were. They were not 5 star A380'S! The were dumpy little twin props. Far more suitable for dirty guns than asking Madona to come for a visit ! Ha !

Connect dots.

We must take off blinders and look what we got :

that Philippine Children’s Fund of America,- which is a CA charity --that provides a transitional home for American children from the Philippines. Sleuth it!

Connect dots

We got Paradise Ranches owned by these people - that are all children involved.

We got the one in LV that closed in a hurry right after the shooting.

Connect dots folks!

He suddenly lets his license expire. That would correlate with being busted and condition of a court as it relates to a plea deal that he will work for a three letter agency.

I have linked this before -- sleuth around a bit on it : The Paradise Ranch in the philippines is right next to former US Air Force base in the Clark Freeport Zone in Angeles City – well-known international hub of the darkest trade in the world, child sex trafficking.

The reason SWAT was not called cause those involved knew something went south, he was dead, and would pose no further threat.

I dont think they thought other shooters would be bought into the tradegy -- that further complicated the cover up.

Think payola and much makes sense . There were probably rumblings for quite some time that things were falling apart or gonna come apart . That would explain selling off the stocks a quarter of a year before something bad happens. They knew there racket was in trouble.

Connect the dots.....

It seems as if this reality is not being explored here. Play around with it and connect some dots guys! He is sending her payments (plural) in the philippines.

Put on thinking caps -- take data we know (abovementioned) and a whole lot of stuff makes a lot more sense than the cra@ that makes no sense .

These notions explain far more than any LE person.

Throw in a fondness for cruising -- what kids are not gonna be excited to go on a cruise?

Look how cute SP/ ML family is -- a perfect way to traffick children -- cruise lines. At port you leave the poor kids there - their kids think about it. Cruising is a perfect conveyor belt for trafficking.

He is taking cruises to the middle east. Lots of luggage on long cruises is par for the industry. Arms movements to terrorists.

To be frank here, this is the first time I have ever seen mainstream media just flat out blow off ISIS claim to involvement.

This is the ONLY time that I recall that this has happened. It usually gets a ton of news cycles - why in this instance is this blown off. Because it has relevance but its a white american caught up in the mayhem.

Come on guys its all right in front of our eyes.

Were talking big money

Were talking criminality , that over time may have evolved into other forms of illegality

[FONT=&amp]Connect dots....[/FONT]

Kinda like Burger King adding a different burger here and there.

He was at times into drug running arms running human trafficking dealing with terrorists our govt had some involvement in some portions at some time in the enterprise.

That night I remember it being really strange when Lombardo described the lady as a roommate.

A roomate - how silly is that at there ages? Pretty silly. It was an trial balloon to see if they could distance him and her in a criminal operation that feds were aware of , participating in and needing to cover up...........................

Why the relentless need for the world to bury their heads in the sand when so much data is right in front of the medias face, in reality, makes the above mentioned far more on target than the nonsense played.

Who keeps a safe in their garage? Obviouly the door was open often enough for people to report it. Kinda easy to have custumers stop by for pickup if your off somewhere making some deal !!

What people who don't put anything INSIDE their home put up secrecy fencing? People that need secrecy.

It certainly explains lots more than anyone in LE has .................

Its right in front of us.................in some form or way abovementioned moo

guys..................................

Yes!!! There is so much to this post I don't want to snip it so I can find it and reread later.
There are some things that stand out in the report to me but the only story they are telling is what SP or whomever (MB) left in the room to be told. They left laptops with child ! They left cell phones like, here is your storyline, run with this and MSM has done just that. But the real story is certainly in the destroyed laptop and the cellphone they can't unlock. He only used tape on the cameras of that cell. He only destroyed the hard drive of one laptop.
It made me laugh that he valet parked because guys with bags of ammonium nitrate do that.
MD, nothing to see there. Yeah right. The only picture i have seen of them together is in what we believe is her family's home.
I learned one thing after MH370, when they all point this way it's because they don't want you to look the other way.

 

[x_files]

So this is the one (charge) that was coming? We are now back to nothing?

I think what is being called child is actually a human trafficking thing.

According to several reports over time he like rough sex.

Don't know if that is accurate but a sexual offender will typically be aware of the risks of leaving marks on a child.

I think we need to go back further.

He left Morton in 88. So now we have an unemployed person with some income.

Or to put it another way the last time this person was gainfully employed was in 1988.

Connect dots....

Claims he made millions playing video gambling games.

Casinos will ban regular big winners.

They comp big players who LOSE>

We are asked to believe that casinos will keep machines that keep paying out millions of dollars> That is not how capitalism works folks!

The story they want the world to believe
is that this genus is making millions off them so lets give him comps on us so he can keep coming and taking our money.

What better game could there be other than a system where he lauders his trafficking or drug or arms money through the MB for fee for MB.

Stick lots of money in their machine make it look like he won sometimes (which provides an income stream), and the house takes some of the dirty money.

All along (people who knew him ) kept saying he was carrying on about being this big gambler. In normal life people do ask what do you for a living. Its a perfect cover for a criminal.

[FONT=&]Money laundering is a federal offense. A little payola here or there and LE can look the other way if their personal banking accounts benefit from looking the other way. Corruption[/FONT][FONT=&]! Unheard of LV![/FONT]

[FONT=&]Connect dots....[/FONT]

Its a win win for him and hotel.

Would certainly explain MB secrecy and paying for housing and security for a rent a cop. Someone or something messed up the racket - and ya got some pissed off mobsters/ terrorists whatever.

He had two planes. Who really needs two planes? It certainly was not like he was living a sophisticated travelers life. He schelped around in sweatpants , and flaps - hardly a jet setter!

A drug dealer an arms dealer a human trafficker would sure use two working planes. These were not gold plated planes. Early on I saw what they were. They were not 5 star A380'S! The were dumpy little twin props. Far more suitable for dirty guns than asking Madona to come for a visit ! Ha !

Connect dots.

We must take off blinders and look what we got :

that Philippine Children’s Fund of America,- which is a CA charity --that provides a transitional home for American children from the Philippines. Sleuth it!

Connect dots

We got Paradise Ranches owned by these people - that are all children involved.

We got the one in LV that closed in a hurry right after the shooting.

Connect dots folks!

He suddenly lets his license expire. That would correlate with being busted and condition of a court as it relates to a plea deal that he will work for a three letter agency.

I have linked this before -- sleuth around a bit on it : The Paradise Ranch in the philippines is right next to former US Air Force base in the Clark Freeport Zone in Angeles City – well-known international hub of the darkest trade in the world, child sex trafficking.

The reason SWAT was not called cause those involved knew something went south, he was dead, and would pose no further threat.

I dont think they thought other shooters would be bought into the tradegy -- that further complicated the cover up.

Think payola and much makes sense . There were probably rumblings for quite some time that things were falling apart or gonna come apart . That would explain selling off the stocks a quarter of a year before something bad happens. They knew there racket was in trouble.

Connect the dots.....

It seems as if this reality is not being explored here. Play around with it and connect some dots guys! He is sending her payments (plural) in the philippines.

Put on thinking caps -- take data we know (abovementioned) and a whole lot of stuff makes a lot more sense than the cra@ that makes no sense .

These notions explain far more than any LE person.

Throw in a fondness for cruising -- what kids are not gonna be excited to go on a cruise?

Look how cute SP/ ML family is -- a perfect way to traffick children -- cruise lines. At port you leave the poor kids there - their kids think about it. Cruising is a perfect conveyor belt for trafficking.

He is taking cruises to the middle east. Lots of luggage on long cruises is par for the industry. Arms movements to terrorists.

To be frank here, this is the first time I have ever seen mainstream media just flat out blow off ISIS claim to involvement.

This is the ONLY time that I recall that this has happened. It usually gets a ton of news cycles - why in this instance is this blown off. Because it has relevance but its a white american caught up in the mayhem.

Come on guys its all right in front of our eyes.

Were talking big money

Were talking criminality , that over time may have evolved into other forms of illegality

[FONT=&]Connect dots....[/FONT]

Kinda like Burger King adding a different burger here and there.

He was at times into drug running arms running human trafficking dealing with terrorists our govt had some involvement in some portions at some time in the enterprise.

That night I remember it being really strange when Lombardo described the lady as a roommate.

A roomate - how silly is that at there ages? Pretty silly. It was an trial balloon to see if they could distance him and her in a criminal operation that feds were aware of , participating in and needing to cover up...........................

Why the relentless need for the world to bury their heads in the sand when so much data is right in front of the medias face, in reality, makes the above mentioned far more on target than the nonsense played.

Who keeps a safe in their garage? Obviouly the door was open often enough for people to report it. Kinda easy to have custumers stop by for pickup if your off somewhere making some deal !!

What people who don't put anything INSIDE their home put up secrecy fencing? People that need secrecy.

It certainly explains lots more than anyone in LE has .................

Its right in front of us.................in some form or way abovementioned moo

guys..................................

I agree with your analsis. There's way more to this than meets the eye.

 

[watergirl62]

"Las Vegas is a city of kickbacks. A desert city of greased palms. A place where a $20 bill can buy approval, a $100 bill adulation and $1,000 canonization."

Nicholas Pileggi

Casino: Love and Honor in Las Vegas