NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[bears10]

Maybe you just started following the case and aren't aware they've been saying the 28th from day 1.

I’ve been following since day one and i recall them reporting he checked in the 25th into one room, then changed rooms a couple days later when the suite became available. Which is prob where the discrepancy comes into play.

I would literally bet my cats lives that LE is not intentionally misleading the public.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Maybe you're not understanding my question. Where is a MSM link saying police lied?

Or are you assuming police lied, because the date has been corrected/updated in news reports? Because one (a mistake/typo) might be conflated with the other (a willful act of deception by police).

If there's an MSM link reporting that police actually lied, it deserves to be in this thread, imo. I'm not so sure one exists.

Maybe you just started following the case and aren't aware they've been saying the 28th from day 1.

[emoji202]MOO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Same. Happened to turn on my TV (insomnia) about 5-10 minutes after it hit the news. Caught zero winks that night, and few the night after. [emoji27][emoji853][emoji46]

I’ve been following since day one and i recall them reporting he checked in the 25th into one room, then changed rooms a couple days later when the suite became available. Which is prob where the discrepancy comes into play.

I would literally bet my cats lives that LE is not intentionally misleading the public.

[emoji202]MOO

 

[Gardenista]

I’ve been following since day one and i recall them reporting he checked in the 25th into one room, then changed rooms a couple days later when the suite became available. Which is prob where the discrepancy comes into play.

I would literally bet my cats lives that LE is not intentionally misleading the public.

Link please.

 

[joedotnet]

He'd have to have practiced with that "bump stock" I'd think and I don't know if a target range would allow a modification like that. They might, as I said on o.p., I don't go to ranges.

There are plenty of places to target shoot that aren't manned. It would be easy to find one and use it there. Bump stocks really aren't hard to use. It wouldn't take much practice.


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[monster12]

I think this was questioned at the beginning, wondering if loud music bothered him or something like that..

"On the night before Stephen Paddock carried out the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history, he twice called security at the Las Vegas hotel where he was staying to complain about loud music, a law enforcement source told CBS News."

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooter-hotel-security-rampage/


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[fred&edna]

The note


"I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for for the crowd," Newton said. "So he had had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/l...kill-maximum-number-of-people/article/2636860

ETA: A Washington Post link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...7140d2eed02_story.html?utm_term=.d636d18d2f7e

Maybe I'm just behind on this news ??

 

[Bravo]

Have we heard anything about him going to practice ranges anywhere?

He may not have needed to go to a range. Don't tell anybody lol but despite me being Canadian My Sis and BIL live in the U.S. They have a Sig and a Glock. For some reason I wanted to fire a hand gun. They were in AZ at the time. BIL stated sometimes they yell at you at the range. So I chickened out. Off we went to the desert......just saying ya know. For the record I couldn't do it. I was shaking soooo bad. I did have them in my hand. The power I knew I had in my hand was terrifying.

 

[Bravo]

Too add to my above post we were not far from the road and folks driving by could see us. My BIL was firing the guns into a bank. Nobody looked or seemed to think anything of it. So if he went deep into the desert would anyone care????

 

[mpnola]

Yes, I know that, but this is web sleuths and I'm wondering why they wouldn't want to disclose what was on the note and why they would lie about the check-in date and say it was the 28th instead of the 25th.

Any thoughts?

Actually, I do have a thought on this. And it is only my opinion from the information we have been given.

In the beginning, it was stated he was checked into a room under his girlfriend's name. It also said he checked in on Sept. 28. Then, we started seeing receipts and valet things or whatever saying he was there on the 24 or 25. I am guessing he might have originally checked in under his own name. Then, after a few days, he checked out and checked in under his girlfriends name. Or possibly changed rooms. So, at the beginning of the investigation, they saw the check in date. It wasn't until looking further that they discovered he had actually been there longer.

I cannot tell you the amount of times a family member will come and tell us something and things change, as you discover information. Lets just say my niece fell down in the back yard and broke her arm. The story was she was riding her bike, hit the fence and broke her arm. That's the story. But, after talking to the other people out there, we find out that a nephew hit her tire with a stick. New version, same outcome. No one was lying, just additional details. Then, after looking into it more, someone finds a piece of stick lodged up in her tire. The stick didn't hit the tire, it actually went into the spoke and flipped the bike. Still no lying, just better information with time and investigation and interviewing. I 1 million percent think this is what is happening here.

It hasn't even been a week! And somehow all the details were supposed to be both know AND released to the public to scrutinize. I don't need to make this any worse than it is. Its a dude who shot a whole lot of bullets into a crowd of very innocent people. No lies needed. Its bad. I don't see a reason the police would be "lying". Give them a bit of a break. Unless after time and an official investigation has been concluded and things don't seem right. It's super unfair, in my opinion.

 

[Sillybilly]

-Did anyone see my post with the photo asking “if the photo on the right was MD? I don’t see it now...it may have been removed? I don’t know why because it was circulated early on and now they are showing the part with him only. She looks like a younger version of MD.

Gooddeeds, it was removed because there was no link. No link .. no post.

 

[CARIIS]

I think this was questioned at the beginning, wondering if loud music bothered him or something like that..

"On the night before Stephen Paddock carried out the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history, he twice called security at the Las Vegas hotel where he was staying to complain about loud music, a law enforcement source told CBS News."

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooter-hotel-security-rampage/


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But we would still have to have some reason for him to just have that many guns with him .

 

[HMSHood]

My handwriting fits many of the indicators of serial killers... I mix cursive/printing quite often and some of it is muddied. Mine looks kind of like the printing on the check he wrote to Hyunday dealership.

Handwriting does not predict crime or imply he or she is some serial killer or mass killer. It looks at what kind of person he or she is. It looks at personality type.

 

[Bravo]

But we would still have to have some reason for him to just have that many guns with him .

IMO because he loved them. Power and control. Which I think he was gradually losing in real life. He had power and control. On that night. IMO

 

[Gooddeeds]

Gooddeeds, it was removed because there was no link. No link .. no post.

-Thank you for letting me know!

 

[CARIIS]

Why do you think drug? I was thinking gun running!


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Could be both -- I would think drug folks might need guns but just speculating

but.....

even for this massacre apparently he was smart enough to know that the ones the actually used would do quite a bit of damage

For some reason (no idea) the pic of the guns on the two chairs put together alamost looks like might have been waiting for someone to check them out.

WHy it hit me like that I have no idea and just speculating

The other door in the room was locked which bugs me and makes no sense .

Unless that was where he was first shooting locked himself in and in the frenzy to get to the other window forgot to unlock it.

But even that unless the second area had a door to the hallway why would someone who was gonna kill himself care if a door was locked or we could be back to escalating p
parania

Tox screen might be interesting as well


Also wondering about if anyone saw him earlier that very day? Was he buzzed -- how much did he drink

 

[Sillybilly]

Two things:

1) Websleuthers are not permitted to sleuth family, and even if they were,

2) There is no indication that the Paddock who wrote the article mentioned upthread is in fact related to Stephen Paddock.

Posts will be removed. Please stop discussing it.

 

[Ambitioned]

Could be both -- I would think drug folks might need guns but just speculating

but.....

even for this massacre apparently he was smart enough to know that the ones the actually used would do quite a bit of damage

For some reason (no idea) the pic of the guns on the two chairs put together alamost looks like might have been waiting for someone to check them out.

WHy it hit me like that I have no idea and just speculating

The other door in the room was locked which bugs me and makes no sense .

Unless that was where he was first shooting locked himself in and in the frenzy to get to the other window forgot to unlock it.

But even that unless the second area had a door to the hallway why would someone who was gonna kill himself care if a door was locked or we could be back to escalating p
parania

Tox screen might be interesting as well


Also wondering about if anyone saw him earlier that very day? Was he buzzed -- how much did he drink

I think he may have been waiting for someone else who never showed. JMO.

I'm just trying to use the information that has been released combined with the photos that we have (with a little bit of logic mixed in) to try and come to a believable answer to what we're seeing.

Something's ****y. Again, JMO.

 

[CARIIS]

This thread is wild.

As is this event. I think alias have a lot to do with stuff being so confusing

And it is kinda sad that without SM it seems like LE gets stuck quite a bit

omo

 

[CARIIS]

My handwriting fits many of the indicators of serial killers... I mix cursive/printing quite often and some of it is muddied. Mine looks kind of like the printing on the check he wrote to Hyunday dealership.

We will be careful !!

Just in case in you get mad !!!!!!!!!!!!