NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[CARIIS]

He'd have to have practiced with that "bump stock" I'd think and I don't know if a target range would allow a modification like that. They might, as I said on o.p., I don't go to ranges.

And I would think that someone who is calculating trajectories for several guns is a very sophisticated gun owner or whatever as it relates to guns

 

[human]

He may not have needed to go to a range. Don't tell anybody lol but despite me being Canadian My Sis and BIL live in the U.S. They have a Sig and a Glock. For some reason I wanted to fire a hand gun. They were in AZ at the time. BIL stated sometimes they yell at you at the range. So I chickened out. Off we went to the desert......just saying ya know. For the record I couldn't do it. I was shaking soooo bad. I did have them in my hand. The power I knew I had in my hand was terrifying.

Weird. What you just said. The power in your hand. That is what makes people so thrilled and addicted to guns. The power. Don’t know why I never realized that before.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was generous with his gambling spoils, condescending to his girlfriend and strident about his constitutional right to own firearms.

Those were the observations of Brisbane businessman Adam Le Fevre, who spent time with the man who would go on to become the perpetrator of the worst mass shooting in modern American history.

Mr Le Fevre, the former partner of Ms Danley's sister, told A Current Affair on Friday that he went on a holiday to Las Vegas with Paddock, who put the group up in a hotel penthouse that was one of his perks for being a "high-roller".

Another perk, Paddock told Mr Le Fevre, was access to free call girls. "I did have no doubt that some of those offers had been accepted," he said.

He said the shooting puts a disturbing perspective on exchanges with Paddock that seemed like oddities at the time, such as his tour of the gunman's modest Mesquite, Nevada home.

"As we walked through, Steve said, 'Bedroom, lounge room, gun room...' Gun room?" Mr Le Fevre said.

Adam Le Fevre shared a photo he took in a casino penthouse with Stephen Paddock (centre). Photo: A Current Affair

Mr Le Fevre said Ms Danley came from a loving Catholic family and he had no doubt she would have raised the alarm if she had known what was to occur.


Adam Le Fevre shared a DRONE PHOTO he took of him and Stephen Paddock at the Mesquite, Nevada home.
Photo: A Current Affair

But the relationship between Paddock and Ms Danley was "not what I saw as a loving, caring relationship".

"I experienced Stephen talking to Marilou in a bit of an abrupt manner at times, and Liza and I away from them had questions as to whether everything was smooth sailing between them.

"Marilou, as I said a lovely girl, seemed very nervous and jittery around Steve. He would talk in a more of a condescending way at times and I, whilst concerned, was prepared to dismiss it as to be, 'That's his nature'."

But Paddock was generous towards Mr Le Fevre during his visit to Las Vegas.

"We were spoilt and I've never experienced anything like it before or since," he said.

"The planning that has gone into this terrible, horrible occurrence has been nothing other than military precision and that does not surprise me with Stephen Padfock because everything he did seemed to be with precision planning," he said.


http://www.smh.com.au/world/stephen...ervous-and-jittery-around-him-20171006-gyw6o0

 

[Gooddeeds]

Two things:

1) Websleuthers are not permitted to sleuth family, and even if they were,

2) There is no indication that the Paddock who wrote the article mentioned upthread is in fact related to Stephen Paddock.

Posts will be removed. Please stop discussing it.

Sillybilly, can you post the article that explains this reporter?

 

[CARIIS]

I think he may have been waiting for someone else who never showed. JMO.

I'm just trying to use the information that has been released combined with the photos that we have (with a little bit of logic mixed in) to try and come to a believable answer to what we're seeing.

Something's ****y. Again, JMO.

Me too -- speculating --- he did not need all those guns to do what he did

if customer was satisfied with the goods hey I can get your more give me 10 minutes (car)

that stuff in the car is bombs and a bomb was needed in June

Hey ya want some bombs also?

He was a collector of guns maybe having to sell his guns for money he found very depressing in conjunction with everything else possibly going on speculating

now a gun sale did not happen I am at ropes end casino effed me over I am doing this here at a casino

I wonder if this one is his recent favorite

so many questions so few answers

Obviously the brothers reviews of his performance - he might have decided to be quite or lawyer told him to shut up!!

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I learned this stuff May be wrong in memory From FinCen stuff with Trump

I dont think it is about IRS IIRC it has something to do with if banks are connected to our banks the banks are required to document stuff over 10K

I dont think they report it anywhere they just have to document

then if they want info they can subpoena

may be confused

OH~~~I can speak to this issue~~right up my alley....LOL

Yes, any cash that is deposited for over $10k has to be documented. For example, if you went over to a local currency exchange and cashed a check for over $10k and wanted the cash, ie. not money order, western union etc. the cashier has a form they have to fill out with all of the pertinent information including identification. The IRS performs random audits at these establishments and banks to confirm they are compliant. I had to go for a Payday loan Operation out to California and confirm their stores were in compliance. If they suspect anything suspicious, they are to report it immediately. For example, Joe came in 5 days in a row requesting to cash a check for $15k each day. This would be reported. There is an IRS case where a woman in Iowa (I believe) was depositing her cash from her business and it caught the IRS's attention.

On a side note, I was wondering about the $369k cash that he purchased his house in Mesquite with. That type of transaction would aroused the IRS's attention as well and would have had to be reported too.

On a side note, if you went into a car dealership and paid $40k in cash for your new car, this also would have to be reported.

Hope that helps!

 

[Gooddeeds]

Me too -- speculating --- he did not need all those guns to do what he did

if customer was satisfied with the goods hey I can get your more give me 10 minutes (car)

that stuff in the car is bombs and a bomb was needed in June

Hey ya want some bombs also?

He was a collector of guns maybe having to sell his guns for money he found very depressing in conjunction with everything else possibly going on speculating

now a gun sale did not happen I am at ropes end casino effed me over I am doing this here at a casino

I wonder if this one is his recent favorite

so many questions so few answers

Obviously the brothers reviews of his performance - he might have decided to be quite or lawyer told him to shut up!!

-Agree! Way more guns than needed. This could be what LE cites as “SP had plans to escape”. That makes sense. Why go through all of that staging to do what he did?

 

[Sillybilly]

Sillybilly, can you post the article that explains this reporter?

Not sure how to interpret your question, Gooddeeds.

If you are asking if it's okay to post about the journalist RCP, the answer is no. The surname can belong to bishops, bank robbers, baseball players, on and on. Just because someone has the same surname and wrote an article that sounds intriguing under the current circumstances, does not indicate there is a connection.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Not sure how to interpret your question, Gooddeeds.



If you are asking if it's okay to post about the journalist RCP, the answer is no. The surname can belong to bishops, bank robbers, baseball players, on and on. Just because someone has the same surname and wrote an article that sounds intriguing under the current circumstances, does not indicate there is a connection.

-Rephrase. I was asking you to do what you just did because that was an obvious deep pit to theories. Thank you!

 

[Ambitioned]

so many questions so few answers

Right! I can understand a numbers guy writing down trajectories. But once you slide on that damned stock and start shooting left and right, you don't need the numbers especially when you're that high up. And what's with the roll of tape there? Honestly the way the note is set on a table held down by a roll of tape looks like it was left for somebody. JMO of course.

I have a feeling this will be another, "Who shot JFK?" or "Who really killed Jonbenet?" deal. I hope not.

Agreed on the brother.

 

[margarita25]

Have you guys figured out yet, or is there any more news, re: the lady/couple and her comment "You're all going to die!"? Tia.

 

[bluesneakers]

Have you guys figured out yet, or is there any more news, re: the lady/couple and her comment "You're all going to die!"? Tia.

Rumour.

It appears that the people spreading this rumor are connecting the dots between the existence of Danley and a viral story from an early media interview with a witness.

In that interview, a woman identified as Brianna described a strange moment minutes before the shooting, where a woman and her boyfriend were kicked out of the concert by security after the woman warned some audience members that they were “all going to die,” or something to that effect.

If the account of this interaction was accurate, it would certainly be eerie. But Buzzfeed talked to the firm in charge of security at Sunday night’s concert, who said that nothing of the sort happened.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-las-vegas-shooting/?utm_term=.fbe9aef87148

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Some stuff about this still just doesn't sit right with me (and I'm not saying that in an endorsing conspiracy theories kind of way either, fwiw.)


He's in his sixties with really no criminal history to speak of. Yes, he's a hard-core gambler, but disciplined enough about it to stay solvent. If he was an accountant he went to school for that and even though he didn't hold a job, his history suggests he could.

No note or manifesto feels weird - no attempt at impression management. And we've seen he can be snide, we're not hearing about angry outbursts or anything.

He seems meticulous about detail, like he would have enjoyed the planning much more than the crime itself. I almost feel like he wanted to prove to himself that he could master a complex scenario like this. And yes, he seems utterly without hesitation or remorse.

I've been trying to find a mass shooter he reminds me of, and I just can't. Any kind of well-known killer, and nothing fits. Maybe it's a weird way to look at it, but the closest personality profile that makes sense to me is someone like Robert Hansen, the FBI agent caught spying for the Russians. (And NO, I'm NOT trying to insinuate Paddock was involved in anything like that!) But Hansen, who also grew up with an (emotionally) absent father and also trained as an accountant and later worked for the Feds, lived a life almost entirely of contradictions, totally compartmentalized parallel lives, with his job, with his wife, etc. Hansen had no political axes to grind, he claimed his sole motive was profit, but I wonder if he didn't just like proving he could execute these highly complex operations too.

 

[dotr]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11930763

Paddock was known in high roller circles as a "loner" who "drank a lot", according to Anthony Curtis, a former professional gambler who now runs Las Vegas Advisor, a site that offers tips to visitors.

Curtis's contacts say Paddock would sink as much as $1000 an hour and $100,000 a day into video poker machines like "it was a breeze" and was a regular presence at the Cosmopolitan, Wynn and Mandalay Bay casinos on the Las Vegas Strip.

Eric said he and his brother once enjoyed thousands of dollars worth of sushi on a casino's dime. Paddock just had to pay the tip.

"He has the highest level of membership at these hotels," he said.

But while he was a valued customer, he was also known for creeping out the other high rollers.
"He loved to stare at other people playing," John Weinreich, a former executive host at the Atlantis Casino in Reno, Nevada, told the Times. "It was not a good thing because it would make other VIPs in the high-limit area uncomfortable.
"One of my guests once said to me, 'He really gives me the creeps'."
Based on Paddock's reputation, Curtis does not believe that his gambling habit had anything to do with why he turned those guns on the music festival crowd on Sunday.

"The media tried to make the case that it was causal, that he probably lost money and went berserk. That's as far from the truth as can be," Curtis told news.com.au.

"I mean if he was into stamp collecting, would you say that the stamps made him do it?
"It wasn't the gambling that made him do it."

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

He would sit in front of them for hours, often wagering more than $100 a hand. The way he played — instinctually, decisively, calculatingly, silently, with little movement beyond his shifting eyes and nimble fingers — meant he could play several hundred hands an hour. Casino hosts knew him well.

“Not a lot of smiles and friendliness,” said John Weinreich, who was an executive casino host at the Atlantis Casino Resort Spa in Reno, Nev., where Mr. Paddock was once a regular and where he met his girlfriend. “There was not a lot of body movement except for his hands.”

 

[IQuestion]

OH~~~I can speak to this issue~~right up my alley....LOL

Yes, any cash that is deposited for over $10k has to be documented. For example, if you went over to a local currency exchange and cashed a check for over $10k and wanted the cash, ie. not money order, western union etc. the cashier has a form they have to fill out with all of the pertinent information including identification. The IRS performs random audits at these establishments and banks to confirm they are compliant. I had to go for a Payday loan Operation out to California and confirm their stores were in compliance. If they suspect anything suspicious, they are to report it immediately. For example, Joe came in 5 days in a row requesting to cash a check for $15k each day. This would be reported. There is an IRS case where a woman in Iowa (I believe) was depositing her cash from her business and it caught the IRS's attention.

On a side note, I was wondering about the $369k cash that he purchased his house in Mesquite with. That type of transaction would aroused the IRS's attention as well and would have had to be reported too.

On a side note, if you went into a car dealership and paid $40k in cash for your new car, this also would have to be reported.

Hope that helps!

BIGCITYACCOUNTANT I appreciate your input, always. Cash transactions of $10,000 or more require a FORM 8300 to be filed. (you can find the pdf form on the IRS website if so inclined.) There are many safeguards in place. The BSA=Bank Secrecy Act:
The Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 (or BSA, or otherwise known as the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act) requires financial institutions in the United States to assist U.S. government agencies to detect and prevent money laundering.
The Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 (or BSA, or otherwise known as the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act) requires financial institutions in the United States to assist U.S. government agencies to detect and prevent money laundering
https://pocketsense.com/deposits-reported-irs-7557.html
And for individuals who think they can side-step or avoid that reporting, they still have to contend with SAR=Suspicious Activity Reports that are done by banks internally when a person deposits more than $2000 cash 3 times in one month. If you have tenants who pay you in cash, or a Farmer's Market Vendor who receives cash payments, be sure to let your banker know the reason you are depositing a lot of cash. (Banking relationships are important!) If a bank can not discern why you are depositing so much cash....expect that you will be "engaged in a courteous conversation of inquiry" or expect to have your account closed.
Sadly, I live in a state where marijuana sales are legal for medical purposes, but not legal under Federal laws....so I just have to tell the person, "I can't do any work for you." I have no idea how others in my profession handle it....but I love my country and respects its laws, so I won't even deal with people/business that make me uncomfortable about their financial wheeling and dealings.
I can't help but wonder if SP did any gambling when he went to the Philippines and what hotel/casino would have a record of him in that country. The coincidences are profound, to say the least.

 

[margarita25]

Rumour.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-las-vegas-shooting/?utm_term=.fbe9aef87148

Thank you, hmmmmmmmmm, I watched the video of her interview and she seemed quite credible?? So she just randomly made this up right after the incident? Hmmmmm, seems strange, moo.

 

[Gooddeeds]

-I can’t say I’ve heard this spun this way before.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...as-gunman-had-undiagnosed-mental-illness.html

Snipped:
“Some law enforcement officials believe that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness when he gunned down 58 people from a high-rise sniper's nest during a country music festival, ABC News reported Saturday.

"We have looked at literally everything," McMahill added.

It is unusual to have so few hints of a motive five days after a mass shooting. In previous mass killings or terrorist attacks, killers left notes, social media postings and information on a computer — or even phoned police”

 

[mpnola]

Thank you, hmmmmmmmmm, I watched the video of her interview and she seemed quite credible?? So she just randomly made this up right after the incident? Hmmmmm, seems strange, moo.

Yeah I'm going to leave it open as possibly true until I officially hear it was a rumor. Like police investogation type of official. I would more likely believe it was a random crazy screaming we are all going to die, like all the people in the French Quarter who tell you that you are going to hell if you dont get off Bourbon Street. But that girl didn't seem like she was lying and I'm not ready to call her a liar yet.

What makes a newspaper so powerful that because they all of a sudden declare things as a rumor a couple of days after it happens, it becomes gospel truth? The investigators don't even know what's fully real yet, but they do? That's pretty good.

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[katydid23]

Are we defending the actions of a man who shot over 500 people? I am so confused as to what is happening in this thread right meow.

I am saying that his actions 25 years ago, may have been justified. He might have had serious mental or emotional issues since then. But I am just saying that pointing to his actions, of going to the roof during the midst of the 92 riots, do not seem to indicate that is was 'because he was a serial killer', in my opinion.

If you want to say that i am 'defending him' , have at it.

IMO< I am just trying to be accurate about symptoms/indications of violence/maliciousness. :cow:

 

[Elley Mae]

Three police officers who responded to Paddock's hotel room at the Mandalay Bay have told CBS' "60 Minutes" that the note included handwritten calculations about where he needed to aim to maximize the carnage.

"I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd," Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Officer Dave Newton told the newsmagazine. "So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...as-gunman-had-undiagnosed-mental-illness.html