NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[EuTuCroquet?]

I was a chambermaid a couple of summers in vacation places while in college. Resorts where people had to pay a lot of money. You would not believe the things they did in the rooms. I bet someone goes in but I have never stayed in Vegas,

Do they have bugs and cockroaches there?

I bet everyplace does, tbh. People really do perpetrate some nasty shyte in hotel rooms. I honestly can't even imagine having to clean up some of that. Bodily fluids, food, spilled drinks, trash, blood, vomit, travel- and party-related sick. Just ... ugh.


[emoji202]MOO

 

[jjenny]

I only know about resorts. They knock.

They do not want bugs and vomit in their rooms.

No, they don't come in in hotels if you have a "do not disturb" sign on the door.

 

[monster12]

I have not stayed in a hotel except for ovetnight.

In resorts they come everyday and straighen up,

Except for overnight? I'm confused.

I know some hotels have different signs for the doors now. One is a do not disturb and another is refusing cleaning service or something similar. Others say to put towels on the floor if you want service or hang them up if you're using them again. Then they will just straighten up and take garbage. It's a personal preference but I've never had them come in my room when I put the sign out. That's the point of the sign.
When I stayed at a Marriot earlier this year, if I put out the card for not needing service, they credited my account reward points for being "environmentally friendly".


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[EuTuCroquet?]

O/t If you can, bring your own pillow. Some people even bring sheets and blankets but that is hard on a plane. Pillow for sure. Snarfing and drooling. Ugh

OT, but YES. Totally! Especially if the room pillows don't have a protective, clean case underneath the pillowcase. If I'm road-tripping, I sometimes even buy a new pillow just for the trip and use it while traveling and in the hotel. Drool, snarf, lice, smells ... grody.


[emoji202]MOO

 

[ohreally]

When I had "do not disturb" sign, sometimes I had staff call me asking if I needed anything to be cleaned. I just said I was fine and didn't need anything. They are not physically going to go inside if there is a "do not disturb" sign on the door.

Right. I once asked my husband to stop by the desk and ask for fresh towels, and I was in the room. I waited quite a while then called the front desk they said that they had been brought to our room but because there was a do not disturb sign up they could not knock on the door. Oops on my part.

 

[katydid23]

Going on a roof to mow down people is justified ?

Yes, if those people are planning to set your house on fire while your family is inside.

He was on top of his APARTMENT BUILDING, THAT HE OWNED. There were people inside those apartments.

He had every right to stand on the roof with a rifle during the riots.

How does anyone know he planned to 'mow people down?' That was 25 years ago. If he had plans to mow people down at that time, what took him 25 years to get it started?

I think we should be accurate and realistic when discussing a perps history. We cannot look at every action they take in life and describe it as murderous. Let's be realistic.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes, if those people are planning to set your house on fire while your family is inside.

He was on top of his APARTMENT BUILDING, THAT HE OWNED. There were people inside those apartments.

He had every right to stand on the roof with a rifle during the riots.

How does anyone know he planned to 'mow people down?' That was 25 years ago. If he had plans to mow people down at that time, what took him 25 years to get it started?

I think we should be accurate and realistic when discussing a perps history. We cannot look at every action they take in life and describe it as murderous. Let's be realistic.

He made himself into an obvious target. So his death wish has been years in the making.

 

[mtnlites]

Thank you, hmmmmmmmmm, I watched the video of her interview and she seemed quite credible?? So she just randomly made this up right after the incident? Hmmmmm, seems strange, moo.

To me as well. I don't consider this story a "rumor" since it came directly from the eyewitness it happened to. Now, if we'd heard it from a secondhand source, perhaps. I think the question is whether or not it's true. Like you, I found her credible.

 

[jjenny]

To me as well. I don't consider this story a "rumor" since it came directly from the eyewitness it happened to. Now, if we'd heard it from a secondhand source, perhaps. I think the question is whether or not it's true. Like you, I found her credible.

You can read about this whole saga on snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/woman-warned-las-vegas-shooting/

 

[katydid23]

No. And do we know if he ever saw a psychiatrist, or got a diagnosis? I honestly don't get why people want to hurry up and diagnose him with something.

I guess because anyone who would shoot into a crowd of strangers, hoping to kill 500 or more, would have mental health issues.

I have said the same thing about Jihadists. I think any of them who can drive a truck into a crowd on the street is mentally ill. It does nt mean they are not Jihadi Warriors as well. But I think it takes some kind of mental illness to allow a person to slit a strangers throat or drive over a family with a truck. JMO

 

[mtnlites]

You can read about this whole saga on snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/woman-warned-las-vegas-shooting/

I did read that on Snopes earlier. Maybe I am just too cynical but when someone suddenly changes their story like that, I think there's more to it.

 

[cady]

I was a chambermaid a couple of summers in vacation places while in college. Resorts where people had to pay a lot of money. You would not believe the things they did in the rooms. I bet someone goes in but I have never stayed in Vegas,

Do they have bugs and cockroaches there?

LOL Dunno, but the décor is enough to cause seizures! So tacky-ugly. I think that he spent more time in hotel rooms than he did at home and if he was such a high roller everyone knew what a weirdo he was and probably didn't check on him, knowing his habits. JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

You can read about this whole saga on snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/woman-warned-las-vegas-shooting/

What's true:

A witness reports hearing a woman say "You're going to die" and "They're surrounding us" a short time before the mass shooting began.

What's false:

In a shift from her earlier account, that witness has subsequently said she believes the threats were made specifically to a small group of concert-goers and were related to an altercation.

 

[jjenny]

I guess because anyone who would shoot into a crowd of strangers, hoping to kill 500 or more, would have mental health issues.

I have said the same thing about Jihadists. I think any of them who can drive a truck into a crowd on the street is mentally ill. It does nt mean they are not Jihadi Warriors as well. But I think it takes some kind of mental illness to allow a person to slit a strangers throat or drive over a family with a truck. JMO

People coming up with their own definitions. Makes for a difficult discussion.

 

[jjenny]

LOL Dunno, but the décor is enough to cause seizures! So tacky-ugly. I think that he spent more time in hotel rooms than he did at home and if he was such a high roller everyone knew what a weirdo he was and probably didn't check on him, knowing his habits. JMO

He doesn't sound any more weird to me than most people who like to gamble. Until the crime, it doesn't appear there was anything overly unusual about him, which is why it makes it so hard to understand. It sounds to me like he had it good, he had a bunch of money, he gambled day in and day out, he went on cruises, he had a girlfriend who apparently didn't ask too many questions. What exactly was his motive? Injustice collectors are usually upset over some injustice (real or imagined) like being fired, not promoted, wife left them, etc. Doesn't appear to be anything like this here.

 

[katydid23]

He made himself into an obvious target. So his death wish has been years in the making.

How is it a 'death wish' to stand on one's roof to try and protect it from a mob that is rioting and setting fires?

It was said in earlier articles that he did all of the repair work and renovations on his apartment buildings himself. I bet he was worried that all of that hard work was going to go up in flames.

I don't think that means he made himself a target.

What he did in 2017 was horrific and pure evil.

But that does not mean that EVERYTHING he has ever done in his life was evil and indicated he was a serial killer in the making.

I think we should be calm and measured when we discuss someone's past history so we are accurate.

I do not believe that one can say that standing on top of one's apartment building with a rifle, in the middle of violent looting and rioting, indicates that he was a serial killer in the making with a death wish.

The 3 Korean brothers next door to me stood on the roof of their family duplex with rifles, and they were heroes, in my opinion. And none of them turned out to be serial killers. One is a surgeon and the other two own a medical supply business.

 

[cady]

A sociopath. Knows that other people have emotions and ethics, but doesn't, himself. Doesn't think of himself as "good" or "evil". Just does what he wants when he wants. Probably enjoyed the planning and execution and the sense of power it gave him, and knew that he would have to kill himself or face the consequences. JMO Mission accomplished.

 

[Cryptic]

He planned this for months. He did not ramble with things he said. Someone who would have a tumor or have cognitive decline would not be able to control his thoughts and saying things. He carried out a complex plan for months with no dropped information to anyone.

I go with my husband and agree it was for him to have the biggest kill. Arrogance, entitlement. Gambling may have lost its thrill. He had a loving partner but used prostitutes. Entitled.

Very well said.

I think the theory of an individual with a hedonistic life style concluding that the sole thing that once gave his life meaning (high stakes gambling) has lots its thrill and then deciding to go out in a blaze of terror notoriety makes sense.

Then factor in that he might of been having cash flow problems as evident by his recent "slip and fall" lawsuit against a casino. A fully funded, intelligent high stakes gambler would not usually waste his time on the oldest lawsuit in 'Vegas.

Thus, SP was not only slowly aging but perhaps also slowly losing the ability to maintain the "little whale" gambling life style cash wise. Yet more "reasons" to go on a rampage.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Hallelujah!! Thank you, jjenny. <3

You can read about this whole saga on snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/woman-warned-las-vegas-shooting/

 

[katydid23]

He doesn't sound any more weird to me than most people who like to gamble. Until the crime, it doesn't appear there was anything overly unusual about him, which is why it makes it so hard to understand. It sounds to me like he had it good, he had a bunch of money, he gambled day in and day out, he went on cruises, he had a girlfriend who apparently didn't ask too many questions. What exactly was his motive? Injustice collectors are usually upset over some injustice (real or imagined) like being fired, not promoted, wife left them, etc. Doesn't appear to be anything like this here.

There are a few injustices I can think of.

First, we have his brother saying he was the 'king of micro aggressions.' So he was very resentful of even tiny transgressions by others.

Second, we have those childhood incidents, where his father was arrested in Vegas for bank robbery, and then years later, after he escaped , he was arrested again in Vegas, where he was living under an assumed name, where he had opened a Bingo Parlor.

He was 7 or 8 when his father was first arrested. And was a young teen when he was found in Vegas and arrested again. How did he feel about all of that? Did he feel resentful that his father was rearrested, while living crime free, just trying to run a business, harming no one?

And we also have that lawsuit he brought against a Vegas Hotel where he apparently slipped and injured his knees. THE COURT RULED AGAINST HIM IN 2016....right before he began buying his many weapons.